Ya, Pansytilly. Its not geographical as you rightly stated. "its as clean and dirty as anyone's perception of it, depending on what they know". Very apt and thoughtful response. Cheers!!!. I will create a thread on the what you suggested, though at the risk of being 'mobbed' by the NWO adherents in mingle. Hahahahahaha

I have long operated from the premise that men like women whom they find desirable on many levels; looks, intellect, personality, social skills, and values among others so the sex factories only one of many. And, while I am told they also want her to be sexually capable and willing give appropriate commitment, she does not have to prove that by engaging in premature intercourse; if they are in fact willing to commit to one mate.

Not all men are. I have not found those men desirable and I find passing them over more than easy. Most men are quite clear in declaring their relationship intentions so it is not exactly rocket science. It is just simply waiting for them to decide if you meet their over all criteria. And they yours.

However there certainly have been no shortage of dating offers, and even courtship offers, at every age including the one I am at now; 61. True I have been single a good number of years at this point but it is not for lack of offers.

I do not know that the fact that I do not have casual sex hurts my dating chances because You are rarely aware of the people who do NOT select you.

But; I have been repeatedly told by the men who do chose to pursue me that it is refreshing to not have to contend with the "risks" of someone who is/has been more active sexually, knowing that they do not have to deal with a laundry list of men talking about their intimate relations with "their" prospective mate, and the fact that if I can wait for them prior to the commitment then it is more likely that I would be able to control myself once in the relationship; especially when they can not be available for one reason or another. I have also been told it is a confidence builder to know that if and when I do decide to be intimate with someone they are not having to worry about a multitude of comparisons. Surprising to me these comments come from men who have limited as well as "extensive" sexual histories.

What never has surprised me is that more often than not when men want to settle down they will opt for the woman who has held back on being with every Tom, Dick, and Harry that comes along even when they have had the "availability", used it , and lost interest in it. I really don't think it is because being more selective makes me more a challenge or not. I doubt it because I rarely leave any doubt in a mans mind about weather I plan to have sex with him if the relationship progresses to that level.

Does having some restraint about who you do and do not have sex with tend to "motivate" men to make a decision about a relationship? Yes I think it definitely does. If you are sharing all the perks of a relationship with out the responsibility I think a person has to say hey why buy the cow if milk Is free. This is a gender neutral observation/devaluation since I have seen women exploit men for years also.

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Let me pretend that I didnt see the barrage of 'nay nay' responses from those that have apparently lost the sense of the sacredness of sex and understandably took refuge in the alibi of "cultural and religious differences". Luckly enough, "we" on this side of the divide aint yet influenced by sodom nor depraved by the tendencies of Gomorrah. So, sex is not a 'food' we rush to eat, not until marriage. That is the ideal thing here and elsewhere where the contaminating virus of immorality hasnt polluted to irredeemable abysmal degree. I insist, it got nothing to do with religion nor culture. It got all to do with self esteem, principle, self respect, standard, dignity, class, value, etc.

All I know is that my offer for a m�nage a trois is on!!!

Really? I doubt if you can survive an 'onslaught' from just one, talkless of two

you wouldn't have to.. you would still be outside screaming at the window of how we have ruined our lives as we were taking our 1/2 time nap ;)

you idea is right but not 100% real.

All I know is that my offer for a m�nage a trois is on!!!

I think sex its wonderful to have it with the right person I,m up for the offer lol

We can also tag this topic "saying NO to sex makes you more "killing" or "more valuable", or "more classical". Etc. A "No-To-Sex" lady is the only type of girls guys respect and want the most. If I were talking to my sister, this is the truth I will make her understand. As a guy, as a man, whenever we hear a lady say no to sex in a relationship until after marriage documents and rites have been done, we go 'gaga' for the lady. I dont mean girls who are 'forming' "hard to get". I am talking about single ladies hoping for a good caring and nice future husband. Dont portray yourself as a cheap material. Now you know, would you change your search preferences? I hope guys wouldnt be 'angry' that I revealed our 'secret'. Whats your thought?

Would that be MMF or FFM?

Let me pretend that I didnt see the barrage of 'nay nay' responses from those that have apparently lost the sense of the sacredness of sex and understandably took refuge in the alibi of "cultural and religious differences". Luckly enough, "we" on this side of the divide aint yet influenced by sodom nor depraved by the tendencies of Gomorrah. So, sex is not a 'food' we rush to eat, not until marriage. That is the ideal thing here and elsewhere where the contaminating virus of immorality hasnt polluted to irredeemable abysmal degree. I insist, it got nothing to do with religion nor culture. It got all to do with self esteem, principle, self respect, standard, dignity, class, value, etc.

I did ask 2 men. So the former. I don't have any interest or desire in having a woman touch me intimately. Plus, the 2 men scenario is strictly fantasy. I don't think I would enjoy 2 men groping me at the same time.