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Edited by
Pansytilly
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its like watching " Fantasy Island".. But even Ricardo Montalban would have waved this plane off In a parallel dimension... Maybe on the other side of the bermuda triangle....Where the status of men and women are reversed... There is a similar conversation happening... Just to have balance in the universe...  Chocolate popcorn...mmm... 
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shovels.. another handful of popcorn into his gob..... munch munch.. this is munch munch.. like watching munch munch... tennis.... .. Picks up his oversized drink and takes a sip....mmmmm.. refreshing..  . Do you ever eat anything but popcorn how about a snickers bar..??? |
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Is popcorn good for you when you're sick? . but couldn't be bothered to get out of bed to make it..... |
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shovels.. another handful of popcorn into his gob..... munch munch.. this is munch munch.. like watching munch munch... tennis.... .. Picks up his oversized drink and takes a sip....mmmmm.. refreshing.. . Do you ever eat anything but popcorn how about a snickers bar..??? Even though you can be a stinker you are adorable. but I won't tell. I have 2 more hours to harrass all on the boards... glad you're feeling better... 
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the cost of childcare can be a few hundred pound a week, so for some there is little or no benefit of working.
also some people don't want to leave their baby with strangers ( I wouldn't), some people are lucky and have close family to look after the baby while there working, that's all good if you want that, but Estelle might not want to leave her baby with strangers and even if she had close family who could look after her baby, she might not want them to. that's her personal opinion. |
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My wife's mum takes the weeman now my missus has went back to work. We were going to get childcare, but the mother in law, was having none of it! My mum has snack vans, so she couldn't do it. She won't be doing it for nothing though, as I'll pay her well, cos I know my son is in good hands that I can trust 100%!
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My wife's mum takes the weeman now my missus has went back to work. We were going to get childcare, but the mother in law, was having none of it! My mum has snack vans, so she couldn't do it. She won't be doing it for nothing though, as I'll pay her well, cos I know my son is in good hands that I can trust 100%! that's great, because you know your babys safe. I know how protective you are. your mind is at rest knowing your baby is totally safe.
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Being a mother is no longer an excuse not to work . Sure perhaps when the child is young I can understand the desire to stay home but once they reach school age there is nothing stopping mums from working . .. Even if it is part-time . Perhaps when you start earning your own money estelle you will understand the value of what men do for the family and appreciate those efforts :-) Why do you think you know if I work, worked or will work?  Because women in Turkey don't work? http://www.wunrn.com/news/2015/02_15/02_16/021615_turkey.htm]http://www.wunrn.com/news/2015/02_15/02_16/021615_turkey.htm Growing local outrage The measures have sparked outrage in the country, with women organizations, labour unions and employer associations denouncing the package. Women organizations claim the goal behind the campaign is to keep women at home, remove them from economic and social life and allow them just to bear children, charged Zülfikar Doğan, a commentator on Al Monitor. Everywhere you go in Turkey women work, banks, grocery stores, government offices, policemen, teachers, lawyers, prime ministers even, so go do some more research. That wasn't a reply to your quote if you read it, it was a reply to someone else. Being a mom is an occupation. You are very disrespectful about that, maybe if you have a child one day you will understand how much work it is compared to your career. Whatever other jobs I do, I don't call it my occupation because for me being a mom is more important than any other job I've ever done or will ever do. I think you should avoid having children. Also, there is nothing disrespectful with viewing a man as the main provider when there are children. Your views are skewed not mine. |
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Edited by
tealbreeze
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Tue 04/28/15 05:30 AM
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http://www.allaboutturkey.com/marriage.htm Traditionally, marriage had been, and frequently continues to be, a contract negotiated and executed by the betrotheds' families and blessed by a representative of the religious establishment. Representatives of the bride negotiated the contract with those of the groom, stipulating such terms as the size and nature of the bride-price paid by the groom's family to the bride's, and certain conditions of conjugal life. After a series of meetings between the two families, the exchange of gifts, and the display of the trousseau, the marriage was formalized at a ceremony presided over by a religious official. The ritual left no doubt that the consenting units were families rather than individuals. In like manner, the relations of the young couple were a family matter. Estelle, this is in YOUR country. and yes, Couples in Turkey do get paid for marriage. This had been pointed out by Fox some time ago in another thread. Turkey - Financial Incentive for Couples to Marry Young I think you should avoid having children. Also, there is nothing disrespectful with viewing a man as the main provider when there are children. Your views are skewed not mine. Most women who do think of men as MAIN providers ARE MARRIED, Estelle. Your government will pay you to get married to a provider you choose. Fix your picker. |
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why do we think in terms of human beings as houskeeping losses and main providers.....where is the humanity in that? the romance?
I guess we should not be surprised at the lack of humanity that sometimes surrounds us in the news when we cannot even approach our most important commitments with a human face. 
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man I love these kind of threads
put a nice dividing line right between genders turns it into an all out he said/she said battle of sexes and never the two shall meet  
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I am not interested in everyone else as I am sure they so not necessarily share your opinion about money . I am interested in you . Your profile says under occupation that you are a mother .. So estelle are you a stay at home mum or do you have employment outside the home for which you pay taxes . That wasn't a reply to your quote if you read it, it was a reply to someone else. Being a mom is an occupation. You are very disrespectful about that, maybe if you have a child one day you will understand how much work it is compared to your career. Whatever other jobs I do, I don't call it my occupation because for me being a mom is more important than any other job I've ever done or will ever do. Being a mother is not an occupation. It is a responsibility. Just like like taking care of your residence or pet or any of hundreds of other responsibilities we as adults have. The amount of effort involved doesn't matter. There are plenty of single parents that raise children and work. How do you pay for anything if you don't also work? |
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man I love these kind of threads put a nice dividing line right between genders turns it into an all out he said/she said battle of sexes and never the two shall meet All I can say is that I kind of have an idea why the OP is single. |
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In many cultures a woman's parents were paid to seal the marriage deal, shouldn't women be paid today for this marriage deal? Estelle, in the many cultures that you are referring to where the brides or the brides parents were paid to, it came about due to various circumstances. For Muslims, some dowries are fixed by the state religious departments, and are not a good practice as it has caused young couples to have to borrow money to finance the marriage. So, the poor young couples were already in debt from the onset of the marriage. For the Chinese, the practice of dowries is still practiced as it is steeped in tradition. But the amount is negotiated, and in some circumstances differs depending on the financial capabilities of the groom and his family, and the popularity of the bride as a 'catch' in society. But in modern times, it is as a respect to the brides family for bringing up the bride and also to compensate for their expenses for the wedding. The brides are normally provided a trousseau by her family partly funded from the dowry money. For the Hindus/Indians, it is the complete reverse where the groom is paid to marry the bride, and in most cases the marriages are 'arrange marriages' and this practice is banned, but still practiced. It is a most 'unhealthy' practice as 'dowry related killings of the bride' is still heard of. The statement "shouldn't women be paid today for this marriage deal?" is so derogatory and disrespectful for women..... it is in the line of 'brides for sale'! Estelle, don't even go into this cos' you are bashing yourself with this stand, and bringing the women down with you. I would like to think that when a man loves me for who I am, he would want to buy me things and provide for the financial aspects of a marriage, rather than 'buying' me as a bride. |
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Being a mom is an occupation. You are very disrespectful about that, maybe if you have a child one day you will understand how much work it is compared to your career. Whatever other jobs I do, I don't call it my occupation because for me being a mom is more important than any other job I've ever done or will ever do. I think you should avoid having children. Also, there is nothing disrespectful with viewing a man as the main provider when there are children. Your views are skewed not mine. Estelle, again I beg to disagree with you.... you seem to have a really warped (or skewed) outlook on what makes a wife and/or mother. Being a full time or part time mother is not an occupation. It is a commitment. An occupation is where you are paid to do a job, and for that, you would have to have been a 'surrogate mother' to have your baby, and then have that baby taken away from you, because you would have been commissioned to do just that....bear that child. When you have a child, whether it is within or without a marriage, you made a commitment to that child that you bore to provide, care and protect him/her as your offspring. As a mother by nature....it should come instinctively, without ulterior motives.... a mother will go thru' a lot just to do that, without looking for gains. When the man/husband/partner/absent father fails to provide for whatever reasons, a mother will find her own ways to provide without complains.....without whining, without looking for praises/rewards, because she is the mother. |
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Being a mom is an occupation. You are very disrespectful about that, maybe if you have a child one day you will understand how much work it is compared to your career. Whatever other jobs I do, I don't call it my occupation because for me being a mom is more important than any other job I've ever done or will ever do. I think you should avoid having children. Also, there is nothing disrespectful with viewing a man as the main provider when there are children. Your views are skewed not mine. Estelle, again I beg to disagree with you.... you seem to have a really warped (or skewed) outlook on what makes a wife and/or mother. No, I don't. Being a full time or part time mother is not an occupation. It is a commitment. Mingle2 asks for an 'occupation' so I filled it in as honestly as I could (not so some jerks could insult me), it's not my preferred word for being a mother, but complain to Mingle2 not me. And you're wrong, motherhood is definitely an occupation, most often it is overtime work. An occupation is where you are paid to do a job, and for that, you would have to have been a 'surrogate mother' to have your baby, and then have that baby taken away from you, because you would have been commissioned to do just that....bear that child. Fine. I will educate you about the definition of the word occupation (also hope 'Blondie' reads this...by the way she is actually a brunette why don't you pick on her for misrepresenting her hair color?) Here is the definition for you: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/occupation Notice 'stay-at-home mom' is used as an example of an occupation. When you have a child, whether it is within or without a marriage, you made a commitment to that child that you bore to provide, care and protect him/her as your offspring. The father (you forgot about him) also has a commitment to the child, in most cases this means he does most if not all of the providing. This is especially true when the children are very young as in my case. As a mother by nature....it should come instinctively, without ulterior motives.... a mother will go thru' a lot just to do that, without looking for gains. Again. Read above. This is not about looking for gains and ulterior motives, it's about the father of the child being held accountable by the mother of the child which I instinctively protect. When the man/husband/partner/absent father fails to provide for whatever reasons, a mother will find her own ways to provide without complains.....without whining, without looking for praises/rewards, because she is the mother. The man can fail to provide but the woman can't complain, that is very double standard of you to say. Thanks. |
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Being a mother is no longer an excuse not to work . Sure perhaps when the child is young I can understand the desire to stay home but once they reach school age there is nothing stopping mums from working . .. Even if it is part-time . Perhaps when you start earning your own money estelle you will understand the value of what men do for the family and appreciate those efforts :-) Why do you think you know if I work, worked or will work? Because women in Turkey don't work? http://www.wunrn.com/news/2015/02_15/02_16/021615_turkey.htm]http://www.wunrn.com/news/2015/02_15/02_16/021615_turkey.htm Growing local outrage The measures have sparked outrage in the country, with women organizations, labour unions and employer associations denouncing the package. Women organizations claim the goal behind the campaign is to keep women at home, remove them from economic and social life and allow them just to bear children, charged Zülfikar Doğan, a commentator on Al Monitor. Everywhere you go in Turkey women work, banks, grocery stores, government offices, policemen, teachers, lawyers, prime ministers even, so go do some more research. That wasn't a reply to your quote if you read it, it was a reply to someone else. Being a mom is an occupation. You are very disrespectful about that, maybe if you have a child one day you will understand how much work it is compared to your career. Whatever other jobs I do, I don't call it my occupation because for me being a mom is more important than any other job I've ever done or will ever do. I think you should avoid having children. Also, there is nothing disrespectful with viewing a man as the main provider when there are children. Your views are skewed not mine.  I agree, Blondey....Haha! Her comments are scary.... 
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I think you should avoid having children. Also, there is nothing disrespectful with viewing a man as the main provider when there are children. Your views are skewed not mine. Estelle, again I beg to disagree with you.... you seem to have a really warped (or skewed) outlook on what makes a wife and/or mother. No, I don't. Being a full time or part time mother is not an occupation. It is a commitment. Mingle2 asks for an 'occupation' so I filled it in as honestly as I could (not so some jerks could insult me), it's not my preferred word for being a mother, but complain to Mingle2 not me. And you're wrong, motherhood is definitely an occupation, most often it is overtime work. An occupation is where you are paid to do a job, and for that, you would have to have been a 'surrogate mother' to have your baby, and then have that baby taken away from you, because you would have been commissioned to do just that....bear that child. Fine. I will educate you about the definition of the word occupation (also hope 'Blondie' reads this...by the way she is actually a brunette why don't you pick on her for misrepresenting her hair color?) Here is the definition for you: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/occupation Notice 'stay-at-home mom' is used as an example of an occupation. When you have a child, whether it is within or without a marriage, you made a commitment to that child that you bore to provide, care and protect him/her as your offspring. The father (you forgot about him) also has a commitment to the child, in most cases this means he does most if not all of the providing. This is especially true when the children are very young as in my case. As a mother by nature....it should come instinctively, without ulterior motives.... a mother will go thru' a lot just to do that, without looking for gains. Again. Read above. This is not about looking for gains and ulterior motives, it's about the father of the child being held accountable by the mother of the child which I instinctively protect. When the man/husband/partner/absent father fails to provide for whatever reasons, a mother will find her own ways to provide without complains.....without whining, without looking for praises/rewards, because she is the mother. The man can fail to provide but the woman can't complain, that is very double standard of you to say. Thanks. No a double standard would be if the man could complain about the woman not providing but the woman not complain about the man not providing. How about the man stay home and take car of the kids and the women earn the money? |
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How about the man gives birth, breastfeeds, cooks cleans, takes care of the baby? Staying home is not enough for a man to take my place. It's easier to go out and work, I know I've done it all, I'm only saying a man should do something for his child and the mother of his child. While I take care of all unpaid work he should get paid work, it's not rocket science to see it's more than fair for him.
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its like watching " Fantasy Island".. But even Ricardo Montalban would have waved this plane off In a parallel dimension... Maybe on the other side of the bermuda triangle....Where the status of men and women are reversed... There is a similar conversation happening... Just to have balance in the universe... Chocolate popcorn...mmm... http://orewa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/chocolate-covered-popcorn-buy1.jpg[/img Hmmm...Ops meets 3rd dimension Ops... now that would be a Twilight Zone episode I wouldn't miss. |
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