it's all an interpretation... they say this, you sat that, blah blah blah... bottom line is that "muslims/islam" worship allah as their god... same as all the offshoots of Christians worship god...

The majority of Christendom advocates worship of a Trinity, which is assumed as being three Character-Roles as one Entity.

Muslims don't advocate the worship of several Character-Roles as being one Entity.

Sorry Moe, it's not the same.

One is Polytheism, (Worship Of More Than One Deity) and the other is Monotheism. (Worship Of Only One Deity)

i'm saying that you and jag, now the Canadians keep tryng to say they(ISIS) aren't muslims, i'm saying they are, just as much as any other muslim group...

they are all under the same umbrella, worship the same god, pray 5 times a day... they just interpret the koran a bit different from you...

Firstly, great way to change the subject... (Formerly Christendom & Islam)

All I know Moe, is that for as often as I read the Quran from cover-to-cover, I'm seeing two different Umbrellas.

The True Muslims that are counting on the Quran only for their instruction, and False Muslims that are counting on Hadiths (Secular Stories) for their instruction.

thats just your point of view... i'm sure ISIS members say the same thing, since they are killing other muslims too... but, the winners write the history, huh... i guess we'll wait and see what form of islam goes into the future...

Listen Moe...

I'm going to give You an example of what the difference is from Hadithites and Muslims.

Please remember, this is a fictional 'example' of the very root of the problem.

Try to imagine the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy were preached in a local School or Church as being real.

Even though there is absolutely no reference to these Characters at all in the Bible.

It would be fool-hardy to believe there was anything authenticable about them as Christians or Teachers that could represent an authentic understanding of a religion.

when a christian does something thats not christian like, or commits a sin, by your standards he wouldn't be a christian... when a Catholic bishop sexually assaults a little boy, even tho he committed quite a few sins and didn't follow the word of the bible doesn't make him not catholic, just a sinner... \

you can label them however you want, but like i said, winners write the future and history texts... whoever comes out on top of this "war" will write what true Islam is, just as all religions have been in the past...

Isis is doing what they believe is right...wrong...they are...but they are doing!!!!...who are we that do nothing calling them bad..?

Im on the top of the world..,lookin' doen on creation....lol...hmmm

I understand what you're saying but it's still horrific no matter what way you look at it.
But the UK's silence is almost shameful. I can only speak for my own Country.
The problem here now is that the general public are sick of war and sick of seeing our forces coming home in body bags. Not sure what the feeling is in the States.
Something has to be done but in all honesty I wouldn't know what the answer is.
I agree with Moe in the sense that's its Islams problem so they should sort it out.

i'm not saying that, i just think all this chat about them not being muslims is just a diversionary tactic with no real meaning...

like i've said before, they are a problem that needs to be dealt with no matter what people call them, and bickering about what to call them makes no sense to me...

Yes .. it does matter.. And what does PC stand for here..? Computer..? Progressive-Conservative..? I'm not up on Internet short-forms, because I don't do much forum participation.. and this is the only site I'm on..

I think you should read this article again.. slowly.., Moe.. This is the point I've been trying to make since I started the thread.. They are "using/prostituting" the religion of Muslims for their own agenda... I already listed many former "lost souls" earlier, who followed other religions.. and they can't be called true followers, either.. You really miss my main point, here..

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"CANADIAN IMAMS ISSUE WARNING ON ISIS SUPPORTERS
CALLING THEM..... "NON-MUSLIM

A group of Canadian imams is condemning followers of the Islamic State as non-Muslims and "outsiders" to the faith.

Imam Syed Soharwardy and 37 other Muslim leaders from across the country have issued an Islamic edict called a fatwa against the militant group currently trying to attract supporters to its war in Syria and Iraq.

Soharwardy, the founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, said Wednesday the Islamic State is violating Muslim law. As a result, the group and anyone supporting them, will no longer be considered to be Muslim.

"They have been excommunicated from the Muslim community and those who will join them -- they should be excommunicated from the Muslim community and they cannot be considered as Muslims at all," said Soharwardy.

The imams and Islamic scholars are from Vancouver, Montreal, Edmonton and Toronto and include representatives of the different sects within the Muslim religion, he said:

"It's significant for those individuals who understand the opinions of the scholars need to be followed and because our fatwa is based on the teachings of the holy Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet," said Soharwardy. "With evidence what kind of violations ISIL and ISIS has committed, that will put a lot of weight for people to be convinced that ISIL and ISIS is the wrong way to go."

He cited several acts that violate Islamic law, including capturing opponents and beheading them, killing Muslims who disagree with their actions, destroying mosques, burning enemy soldiers alive and encouraging Muslim girls to join them.

Soharwardy hopes the message gets out to young people who are most at risk of being recruited.
"We strongly urge every Muslim, especially the youth, not to be influenced by the speeches, songs and the literature available on the Internet or on social media produced by the impostors pretending to be Muslim," he said. "This is a trap for young Muslims."

Several Canadian youth have already gone to the Middle East to fight for the Islamic State. Ottawa's national security report said at the start of 2014 there were more than 130 individuals abroad and suspected of terror activities.

Earlier this year there were reports that six young men and women between 18 and 20 years old from the Montreal area left around mid-January and landed in Turkey, a well-known gateway to battlefields in Syria and Iraq..... (EDITED IN LENGTH)

----> http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-imams-issue-fatwa-on-isis-supporters-calling-them-non-muslim-1.2275582#

I like this Jag

"CANADIAN IMAMS ISSUE WARNING ON ISIS SUPPORTERS
CALLING THEM..... "NON-MUSLIM

One thing's for sure, they're not human.
Hopefully the young Muslims will listen to these Imams rather than so called Isis.

I agree that ISIS are fraud Muslims. Every religion can be used for good or bad.

and this means what to me?

doesn't mean a thing!
Even the Saudi are taking their head out the sand and consider ISIS and other Muslim Fundamentalists Muslims!
And while you Guys wearing out your Keyboard trying to prove they aren't Muslims,they go on Raping,Pillaging,Destroying and murdering in the name of Allah and his Prophet,and they have the Koran on their side!

"but they're not real muslims"... wth cares? they really chopped those peoples heads off, they really are trying to take over the middle east, and they really don;t like anyone...


call them what you want, they are a group of "self proclaimed" muslims with a bad attitude...

Who cares about ISIS calling themselves Muslims? Anyone who cares to can see that this is part of their bad attitude, calling themselves something they aren't and making every Muslim look like a terrible enemy of humanity.

this isn't the third grade, if muslims are thinking that, then they need to do something more than trying to change ISIS to a non muslim...
these types of groups have been around for years, and just saying they aren't muslims and washing their hands of it won't work...

'Christians' went through a little phase like this once or twice in history, so let's keep an open mind.