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My apologies Conrad 73, it was Jagbird I should have directed this at. My mistake because of lack of observence as to who was posting what.
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Sorry to all for any bits of what seem like gibberish. The site seems to dislike inverted commas, at least not from a mac.
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To all on this thread. I have one of my children currently working as a journalist covering radical Islamists in the "middle east". The amount of misinformation and false assumptions on both sides of this discussion is remarkable. I visited Syria several months ago and I can tell you it was frightening being a Christian in a Muslim country. Our interpreter was an American and told us what people were saying about us everywhere we went. I was in more fear because they had no concern of nationality only religion. Once back on safe ground in Israel we went to Ramallah where that same fear hit me again. Our guide and interpreter told us they hate Jews but hate Christians as much if not more especially if you are white. I'm not going to lecture what I've experienced but I will tell you that ISIS is 150% Islamic. Try visiting Dubai, UAE sometime or Umm Sa'id or Saudi Arabia or even Jordan and tell me those countries are not all filled with religious fanatics? Have any of you ever been over there and seen the calls to prayer? Its incredible. I was in dismay the first time I read the Koran so I read it again.
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Edited by
mysticalview21
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Thu 03/05/15 12:54 PM
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I agree op ... never heard about the porn things ... but new they are not doing this because of their religion... since they do not have one...and do not follow the Quran ... that is why more and more are coming out an alining them selves now to... get rid of them ...
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Great article that touches on a lot of key points in this thread... Not my favorite news source by any means.., but it is a good article.. It exemplifies why grouping ISIS and the Muslim faith together is prejudiced: ---> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/yasmin-ahmed/isis-islam_b_6051092.html well... ummm... Umar bin al-Khattab, the Second Khalifa of the Muslims When Muhammad proclaimed his mission, many people acknowledged him as the Messenger of God. Umar acknowledged him as Messenger of God after six years. Some historians claim that Umar was a most awe-inspiring man, and when he accepted Islam, the idolaters were gripped with fear for their lives. Principal Events of the Caliphate of Umar When Umar took charge of the caliphate, the Muslim armies were fighting against the Persians in Iraq and the Romans in Syria. Umar's caliphate is notable for its many conquests. His generals conquered Iraq, Iran, Azerbaijan, Kirman, Seistan, Khurasan, Syria, Jordan, Palestine and Egypt, and incorporated them into the empire of the Muslims. All of these were permanent conquests. The Romans lost Syria, Palestine and Egypt for ever; and in Persia, the Sassani empire ceased to exist. http://www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/umar-bin-al-khattab-second-khalifa Notice any similarities between the events of 630ish AD and today? I suppose Umar bin al-Khattab and his armies were not a real muslims either.. |
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Edited by
realcarebear
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Fri 03/06/15 03:31 PM
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I know a real Muslim. He loves God. He lives peacefully with Christians and Jewish and all people. He says Jesus is the savior. He helps his neighbor. He treats women with respect. He loves children. He values his family. He loves me because I am Christian he tells me that God loves me. He hates the things that terrorist are doing. He says they are evil. They are not of God. He fights terrorist, criminals and he risk his life for others. He is a real Muslim man. He is a hero.
Think about the number of people who are Muslim. Think about if all Muslim people where terrorist. Like some here suggest. We wouldn't stand a chance. |
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Edited by
jagbird
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Sat 03/07/15 06:07 AM
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My apologies Conrad 73, it was Jagbird I should have directed this at. My mistake because of lack of observence as to who was posting what. I understand your position, but I still disagree with it.., that's all.. I'm always open to... "agreeing to disagree"... I wish that the whole world could do the same, at times.. |
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I agree op ... never heard about the porn things ... but new they are not doing this because of their religion... since they do not have one...and do not follow the Quran ... that is why more and more are coming out an alining them selves now to... get rid of them ... I hope that more and more people who blindly gave them money in the past, will now refuse any more requests for aid... and see what disrespect for ALL of life there is...,, in their words and actions.... |
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I know a real Muslim. He loves God. He lives peacefully with Christians and Jewish and all people. He says Jesus is the savior. He helps his neighbor. He treats women with respect. He loves children. He values his family. He loves me because I am Christian he tells me that God loves me. He hates the things that terrorist are doing. He says they are evil. They are not of God. He fights terrorist, criminals and he risk his life for others. He is a real Muslim man. He is a hero. Think about the number of people who are Muslim. Think about if all Muslim people where terrorist. Like some here suggest. We wouldn't stand a chance. Thanks for you input, RCB... I know many who feel the same way... This is a war between terrorists and the rest of the world... Not a war of religions.. |
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I know a real Muslim. He loves God. He lives peacefully with Christians and Jewish and all people. He says Jesus is the savior. He helps his neighbor. He treats women with respect. He loves children. He values his family. He loves me because I am Christian he tells me that God loves me. He hates the things that terrorist are doing. He says they are evil. They are not of God. He fights terrorist, criminals and he risk his life for others. He is a real Muslim man. He is a hero. Think about the number of people who are Muslim. Think about if all Muslim people where terrorist. Like some here suggest. We wouldn't stand a chance. Thanks for you input, RCB... I know many who feel the same way... This is a war between terrorists and the rest of the world... Not a war of religions.. you wish! Islam is at War with the West for 1400 years now! Hope the News will reach Canada before the End of this Century! 
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Edited by
Niallgk
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Sat 03/07/15 04:15 PM
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My apologies Conrad 73, it was Jagbird I should have directed this at. My mistake because of lack of observence as to who was posting what. I understand your position, but I still disagree with it.., that's all.. I'm always open to... "agreeing to disagree"... I wish that the whole world could do the same, at times.. Sorry Jagbird, I my view, that is a complete cop-out ! You have been pontificating, on the basis that you have expertise in world religions and yet, when you are challenged by someone to debate the issues, you try to shield yourself behind some "...agree to disagree...' nonsense. As for myself, I didn't agree to disagree anything with you. EDIT: ...but you can always ignore debate if you so wish... |
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I know a real Muslim. He loves God. He lives peacefully with Christians and Jewish and all people. He says Jesus is the savior. He helps his neighbor. He treats women with respect. He loves children. He values his family. He loves me because I am Christian he tells me that God loves me. He hates the things that terrorist are doing. He says they are evil. They are not of God. He fights terrorist, criminals and he risk his life for others. He is a real Muslim man. He is a hero. Think about the number of people who are Muslim. Think about if all Muslim people where terrorist. Like some here suggest. We wouldn't stand a chance. Thanks for you input, RCB... I know many who feel the same way... This is a war between terrorists and the rest of the world... Not a war of religions.. and i'm sure thats what the people that have had their heads chopped off was thinking while being told to accept allah...no matter how much you want to say that, it isn't what your so called "terrorists" are thinking... you are listening to the liberals again, it is a war about religion... they want anyone thats not a muslim dead... you tell me what this war is about... |
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@ Conrad 73 Hold on a second. Are you telling me the chronology of events that I outlined in this article is factually incorrect? I spent many weeks researching this history and like any decent journalist I found many corroborating sources on which to base my premmis. Good people, bad people are you really serious? Also, just to disabuse you in relation to religion. This Da’esh curse has of course nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with ideology in the first instance and of course wealth, power, hatred, manipulation, slick propaganda that would try to inflict a so-called ‘Caliphate’ on a region of the Middle East which has suffered far more than any other region on this planet within the past 50-odd years for their own gains, This hateful ideology is the direct result of the fusion of the tenets of the lunatic that was Mahummad ibn al-Waahab and the Saudi expansionism of the late 18th century. This fascism of thought is way more extreme than anything that even the GDR or USSR came up with. Slavery, cold-blooded murder (of the most grotesque kinds), mass rape… these things do not suddenly pop up in a vacuum. Your broad statements that religion has nothing to do with the current reality that now confronts the countries in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria and even Egypt is false in my view. Religion can and does breed ideologies. This ideology was born in what is now Saudi Arabia. I would imagine that the poor fools or western birth who travel there to fight for what the ‘believe’ in would be bumped off quietly were the whole Da’esh’ thing to succeed. By the way, when you accused me of bias, did you mean bias against the House of Saud? Ireland has had a history of siding with the muslims, and i'm thinking it has to do with your dislike for the Jews... the enemy of my enemy is my friend?... you tell me... |
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Ireland has had a history of siding with the muslims, and i'm thinking it has to do with your dislike for the Jews... the enemy of my enemy is my friend?... you tell me...
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Ireland has had a history of siding with the muslims, and i'm thinking it has to do with your dislike for the Jews... the enemy of my enemy is my friend?... you tell me... 
did you like that and thought it needed repeating? |
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Edited by
Niallgk
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Sat 03/07/15 05:42 PM
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Ireland has had a history of siding with the muslims, and i'm thinking it has to do with your dislike for the Jews... the enemy of my enemy is my friend?... you tell me... Thanks Mightymoe for at least engaging me in debate. Look, you are probably correct when you assert that the Irish are quite sympathetic to the Palestinians and their plight. Please don't take the view that the Irish hate the Jews. That would be wrongheaded. We view the Jewish people in a manner similar to the manner we opine the British, (for obvious reasons). But that is beside the point. I personally know many people that hold the Islamic faith both Shia and Sinni who live in Ireland (one of those people was my business partner for 10 years, he is Lebanese). I can say that the anger amongst the Levantine peoples is, at this moment, off the register. This deviant school of Islam, this sect that subscribe to only one of the four schools of Sunni Islam (and that does not include the Shiite Muslims) has decided that all other schools and sects are 'kaffir' or apostate.. This strain of Islam is called either Wahhabism or Salafism, there is some debate about the differences. It derived from the backwater of the deserts of Arabia by a man with rather dour attitude who created (in my view, illogiigically) political and ideological mania born through the marriage of Muhammad ibn al-Wahhab and the expansionist House of Saud. When, in February 1945, FD Roosevelt spent three days on the warship USS Quincy in a lake in the Sues canal and did the grand deal with the then Saudi king Abd-al-Aziz the world order changed. The Saudis were given the soft power to propagate their Wahhabist/Salafist somewhat nihilistic tenets the end of the world is nigh”… type of thing. A desire for purification and a desire for an erasure of all history and history’s treasures prior to the days of Muhammad speaks volumes about a once tiny sect of Islam (infused tremendiously by Saudi petro-Dollars). These are not simply a bunch of psychopaths, this is a very well constructed theological ideology (whether we like it or not). The cancer must be excised. The only realistic solution is that the Levantine Sunni population oppose this fascism/nihilism and be the 'tip or the spear' and be instrumental in their destruction. I don'��t think that this fanatical contortion of religion that passes for Islam will die anytime soon. It suits the west that way. |
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Ireland has had a history of siding with the muslims, and i'm thinking it has to do with your dislike for the Jews... the enemy of my enemy is my friend?... you tell me... Thanks Mightymoe for at least engaging me in debate. Look, you are probably correct when you assert that the Irish are quite sympathetic to the Palestinians and their plight. Please don’t take the view that the Irish hate the Jews. That would be wrongheaded. We view the Jewish people in a manner similar to the manner we opine the British, (for obvious reasons). But that is beside the point. I personally know many people that hold the Islamic faith both Shia and Sinni who live in Ireland (one of those people was my business partner for 10 years, he is Lebanese). I can say that the anger amongst the Levantine peoples is, at this moment, off the register. This deviant school of Islam, this sect that subscribe to only one of the four schools of Sunni Islam (and that does not include the Shiite Muslims) has decided that all other schools and sects are 'kaffir' or apostate.. This strain of Islam is called either Wahhabism or Salafism, there is some debate about the differences. It derived from the backwater of the desert from a man with dour attitude and a (in my view, illogical) political and ideological mania born through the marriage of Muhammad ibn al-Wahhab and the expansionist House of Saud. When, in February 1945, FD Roosevelt spent three days on the warship USS Quincy in a lake in the Sues canal and did the grand deal with the then Saudi king Abd-al-Aziz the world order changed. The Saudis were given the soft power to propagate their Wahhabist/Salafist somewhat nihilistic tenets the end of the world is nigh”… type of thing. A desire for purification and a desire for an erasure of all history and history’s treasures prior to the days of Muhammad speaks volumes about a once tiny sect of Islam (infused enormously by Saudi petro-Dollars). These are not simply a bunch of psychopaths, this is a very well constructed theological ideology (whether we like it or not). The cancer must be excised. The only real solution is the Levantine Sunni population rejecting this fascism/nihilism and at the tip or the spear in their destruction. I don’t think that this fanatical contortion of religion that passes for Islamwill die anytime soon. It suits the west that way. sorry, maybe i should have said "pro Palestine" rather than hates jews... but as far as islam/muslims goes, it's all the same, just as Christianity has many different aspects as well... but it doesn't change the fact that islam is the problem right now, no matter how anyone wants to define it... saying they are not islam/muslims doesn't change the fact they want a one world religion... |
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sorry, maybe i should have said "pro Palestine" rather than hates jews... but as far as islam/muslims goes, it's all the same, just as Christianity has many different aspects as well... but it doesn't change the fact that islam is the problem right now, no matter how anyone wants to define it... saying they are not islam/muslims doesn't change the fact they want a one world religion... Not only that but Islam is in a very deep crisis. Be very aware that Islam is a highly politicised religion and the mumbers of sects is a fair reflection of the number of political stances on display. |
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sorry, maybe i should have said "pro Palestine" rather than hates jews... but as far as islam/muslims goes, it's all the same, just as Christianity has many different aspects as well... but it doesn't change the fact that islam is the problem right now, no matter how anyone wants to define it... saying they are not islam/muslims doesn't change the fact they want a one world religion... Not only that but Islam is in a very deep crisis. Be very aware that Islam is a highly politicised religion and the mumbers of sects is a fair reflection of the number of political stances on display. and that really has no meaning for me... they don't stop to ask what christian the person is before they chop their head off, and why they dont? because they don't care.. and i don't either... no matter how people try to confuse and lighten the issue, they are muslims, period... when a muslim is getting ready to chop off your head, or detonate a bomb next to you, be sure and have this conversation with him/her first... |
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Edited by
Niallgk
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Sat 03/07/15 06:26 PM
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Upon review, I made an error. When I said "the Jewish People" I actually was thinking of the state of Israel. My apologies.
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