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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy_(Catholic_Church
Theological and scriptural foundations Theologically, the Church teaches that priesthood is a ministry conformed to the life and work of Jesus Christ. Priests as sacramental ministers act in persona Christi, that is in the person of Christ. Thus the life of the priest conforms, the Church believes, to the chastity of Christ himself. The sacrifice of married life is for the "sake of the Kingdom" (Luke 18:28 30, Matthew 19:27 30), and to follow the example of Jesus Christ in being "married" to the Church, viewed by Catholicism and many Christian traditions as the "Bride of Christ" (following Ephesians 5:25-33 and Revelation 21:9, together with the spousal imagery at Mark 2:19-20, cf. Matthew 9:14-15).[20] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) in Salt of the Earth saw this practice as based on Jesus' words in Matthew 19:12: "Some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." He linked this celibacy "because of the kingdom of heaven" with God's choice to confer the Old Testament priesthood on a specific tribe, that of Levi, which unlike the other tribes received no land from God, but which had "God himself as its inheritance" (Numbers 1:48 53). Paul, within a context of having "no command from the Lord" (1 Cor 7:25), recommends celibacy, but acknowledges that it is not God's gift to all within the church: "For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that. But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am ... I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord how he may please the Lord. But he who is married cares about the things of the world how he may please his wife. There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world how she may please her husband. And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction." 1 Corinthians 7:7 8, 7:32 35 Now you know why Rome is collectively pooping itself on the Idea that Jesus might have been married to Mary Magdalene! 
Now you know why they stamped her a Prostitute! |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy_(Catholic_Church Theological and scriptural foundations Theologically, the Church teaches that priesthood is a ministry conformed to the life and work of Jesus Christ. Priests as sacramental ministers act in persona Christi, that is in the person of Christ. Thus the life of the priest conforms, the Church believes, to the chastity of Christ himself. The sacrifice of married life is for the "sake of the Kingdom" (Luke 18:28 30, Matthew 19:27 30), and to follow the example of Jesus Christ in being "married" to the Church, viewed by Catholicism and many Christian traditions as the "Bride of Christ" (following Ephesians 5:25-33 and Revelation 21:9, together with the spousal imagery at Mark 2:19-20, cf. Matthew 9:14-15).[20] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) in Salt of the Earth saw this practice as based on Jesus' words in Matthew 19:12: "Some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." He linked this celibacy "because of the kingdom of heaven" with God's choice to confer the Old Testament priesthood on a specific tribe, that of Levi, which unlike the other tribes received no land from God, but which had "God himself as its inheritance" (Numbers 1:48 53). Paul, within a context of having "no command from the Lord" (1 Cor 7:25), recommends celibacy, but acknowledges that it is not God's gift to all within the church: "For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that. But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am ... I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord how he may please the Lord. But he who is married cares about the things of the world how he may please his wife. There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world how she may please her husband. And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction." 1 Corinthians 7:7 8, 7:32 35 Now you know why Rome is collectively pooping itself on the Idea that Jesus might have been married to Mary Magdalene!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy_(Catholic_Church Theological and scriptural foundations Theologically, the Church teaches that priesthood is a ministry conformed to the life and work of Jesus Christ. Priests as sacramental ministers act in persona Christi, that is in the person of Christ. Thus the life of the priest conforms, the Church believes, to the chastity of Christ himself. The sacrifice of married life is for the "sake of the Kingdom" (Luke 18:28 30, Matthew 19:27 30), and to follow the example of Jesus Christ in being "married" to the Church, viewed by Catholicism and many Christian traditions as the "Bride of Christ" (following Ephesians 5:25-33 and Revelation 21:9, together with the spousal imagery at Mark 2:19-20, cf. Matthew 9:14-15).[20] Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) in Salt of the Earth saw this practice as based on Jesus' words in Matthew 19:12: "Some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." He linked this celibacy "because of the kingdom of heaven" with God's choice to confer the Old Testament priesthood on a specific tribe, that of Levi, which unlike the other tribes received no land from God, but which had "God himself as its inheritance" (Numbers 1:48 53). Paul, within a context of having "no command from the Lord" (1 Cor 7:25), recommends celibacy, but acknowledges that it is not God's gift to all within the church: "For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that. But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am ... I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord how he may please the Lord. But he who is married cares about the things of the world how he may please his wife. There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world how she may please her husband. And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but for what is proper, and that you may serve the Lord without distraction." 1 Corinthians 7:7 8, 7:32 35 Now you know why Rome is collectively pooping itself on the Idea that Jesus might have been married to Mary Magdalene!
Now you know why they stamped her a Prostitute! |
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If Pop Francis walk up today and decided for the church that all Catholic "monks" should start having children, what would be your reaction? WHAT YOU WERE THINKING IT..LOL ... those naughty naughty monks.. 
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Edited by
messi_is_a_tim_1888
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Mon 02/16/15 02:30 AM
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If Pop Francis walk up today and decided for the church that all Catholic "monks" should start having children, what would be your reaction? |
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So why exactly MUST Catholics answer this question?
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Mon 02/16/15 02:36 AM
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If Pop Francis walk up today and decided for the church that all Catholic "monks" should start having children, what would be your reaction? Hey messi 
I used to be catholic.... I think the issue of allowing priests and nuns to marry isn't about the modernization of Catholicism .....it's actually scriptural... If they will be papally allowed to do so, it ought to have less to do with papal decree but rather admission and rectification of a long perpetuated misconception.... |
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If Pop Francis walk up today and decided for the church that all Catholic "monks" should start having children, what would be your reaction? Hey messi
I used to be catholic.... I think the issue of allowing priests and nuns to marry isn't about the modernization of Catholicism .....it's actually scriptural... If they will be papally allowed to do so, it ought to have less to do with papal decree but rather admission and rectification of a long perpetuated misconception.... It's actually not scriptural. Nowhere in the Bible does it say priests and nuns can't marry. Are Protestant preachers less holy than Catholic priests because they marry and have children? |
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If Pop Francis walk up today and decided for the church that all Catholic "monks" should start having children, what would be your reaction? Hey messi
I used to be catholic.... I think the issue of allowing priests and nuns to marry isn't about the modernization of Catholicism .....it's actually scriptural... If they will be papally allowed to do so, it ought to have less to do with papal decree but rather admission and rectification of a long perpetuated misconception.... It's actually not scriptural. Nowhere in the Bible does it say priests and nuns can't marry. Are Protestant preachers less holy than Catholic priests because they marry and have children? Oh... Sorry, I meant it in the opposite of what you thought I meant.... These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. - Colossians 2:23 |
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If Pop Francis walk up today and decided for the church that all Catholic "monks" should start having children, what would be your reaction? Hey messi
I used to be catholic.... I think the issue of allowing priests and nuns to marry isn't about the modernization of Catholicism .....it's actually scriptural... If they will be papally allowed to do so, it ought to have less to do with papal decree but rather admission and rectification of a long perpetuated misconception.... It's actually not scriptural. Nowhere in the Bible does it say priests and nuns can't marry. Are Protestant preachers less holy than Catholic priests because they marry and have children? Oh... Sorry, I meant it in the opposite of what you thought I meant.... These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. - Colossians 2:23
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Mon 02/16/15 03:18 AM
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On the other hand... Why would one continue in service of a faith where one cannot abide by the regulations of the faith they believe in...?
I just read through the topic... Yes yes, man made rules... Maybe this piece of info should be made more popularly known... I know that some Catholics explain the matter as priests and nuns are married to the church and Jesus, hence are not allowed to make that vow of marriage to another.... |
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On the other hand... Why would one continue in service of a faith where one cannot abide by the regulations of the faith they believe in...?
I just read through the topic... Yes yes, man made rules... Maybe this piece of info should be made more popularly known... I know that some Catholics explain the matter as priests and nuns are married to the church and Jesus, hence are not allowed to make that vow of marriage to another.... I've heard that same thing, but again, I'll refer to Protestants. Are they less committed to their faith because they marry? And are the rank and file Catholics less faithful than the clergy because they don't take a vow of celibacy? |
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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On the other hand... Why would one continue in service of a faith where one cannot abide by the regulations of the faith they believe in...?
I just read through the topic... Yes yes, man made rules... Maybe this piece of info should be made more popularly known... I know that some Catholics explain the matter as priests and nuns are married to the church and Jesus, hence are not allowed to make that vow of marriage to another.... I've heard that same thing, but again, I'll refer to Protestants. Are they less committed to their faith because they marry? And are the rank and file Catholics less faithful than the clergy because they don't take a vow of celibacy? Did I mention that I .....used to be catholic... And there is a reason for that.... Anyway, commitment to one's faith is a matter of one's commitment to God (or whatever it is one believes in) and the regulations set by such. This is manifested accordingly by ones actions in congruence to what they believe in... So the comparison of whether a Protestant is more committed than a catholic or vise versa by virtue of their denomination is not really something that can be defined.... I would imagine that this ought to be the same with regard to the rank and file of any faith system... The difference between the two is mostly their interpretation of scripture (which includes historical conflict) and whether they have other existing dogmas outside it. But both, believing in God and a life everlasting and having been provided with the necessary information needed, are bound by their their faith to responsibly and continually search for the truth regarding their relationship with God in order to achieve the afterlife of which they seek, since each will be judged accordingly... Celibacy per se, doesn't really have much to do with the matter.... Tho, someone or another might... Disagree.... |
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^^^^ That is basically a more detailed way of saying what I've been saying.
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Mon 02/16/15 04:19 AM
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^^^^ That is basically a more detailed way of saying what I've been saying. Tho, you might have to take into consideration that scripture does define the rules and regulations set... And for most part, there is a tendency to use this more for personal gain and satisfaction rather that cultivation of one's faith..... And though it is a matter of personal belief and responsibility, the shepherd of the flock does have the more weightier responsibility and accountability of guiding people to the right direction...... Ignorance of the law does not preclude one from it's jurisdiction... |
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The celibacy requirements, however, are not based on the Bible. Early priests were allowed to marry, but many early priests were involved in widespread debauchery that is quite kinky even by today's standards. The Pope at the time (I'm no historian of the Catholic Church, so I don't know which Pope) over corrected by imposing absolute celibacy.
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Mon 02/16/15 05:01 AM
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The celibacy requirements, however, are not based on the Bible. Early priests were allowed to marry, but many early priests were involved in widespread debauchery that is quite kinky even by today's standards. The Pope at the time (I'm no historian of the Catholic Church, so I don't know which Pope) over corrected by imposing absolute celibacy. I think that is the point... Assuming your point in the subject, by imposing such a law to be the will of God for the reason you have stated, when it is actually not, has caused much dissent, not only scholarly and academically (which caused most conflict and factions) but also carried with it certain implications and perceptions that have colored the viewpoint of how to practice ones faith and what faith and one's relationship with God actually means and entails.... Religion and matters of faith Is a double sided sword... It has it's basis in the spiritual but is manifested in the worldly... It's partly a matter of how to differentiate one from the other in each issue that comes up concerning it... I'm no expert on the matter either... This is just how I've come to understand it... And I'm sure further understanding is still in order... |
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We apparently are having a heated agreement.
     
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"Debater" in a post about the Catholic Church. Catholics attend "mass." It's an easy joke for anyone not afraid of riding my bus to hell.
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Mon 02/16/15 05:14 AM
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Lol ... No debater here
Just sharing what I know
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