Topic: Police kill schoolboy wielding fake gun
BlkmatureMan57's photo
Thu 12/04/14 07:02 AM
I think someone said something about playing in there back yard growing up like cops an robbers. Just think if someone had call the cops to there home an said some white guy is pointing a gun at other kids. The cops get there an shoot a 13 yr kid to death. That dirty cop would go to prison for the rest of his or her life.

BlkmatureMan57's photo
Thu 12/04/14 07:17 AM
Look don't take me wrong. I love policemen police ladies. People of the law first an foremost. I grew up around blacks an white plus mex people. All colors of people. A police an a cop is not the same. I'm a abstract artist. One day I ask a policemen is it against the law for me to paint on the street without having a permit. He said as long as you are not blocking people most likely you could but to go see about a permit to be for sure.
About 15 mins later the officer saw me crossing the street with a painting in my hand. He stop an turn on his lights an ask me how much for the painting. I looked him over an said. For you its free for doing the work you do sir an this is my way of saying thank you. I would not even sale a dirty cop one of my paintings. That would be like pulling my teeth. By the way I am a toothless wonder. It will never happen.
You get a call that someone is on a playgound pointing a darn gun. A police would say to his self. Anybody dead shot at do we need fire an rescue? Thangs like this. Not heres my chance to be a hero an kill a black kid shooting an killing people.
Thats all.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 12/04/14 02:37 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Thu 12/04/14 02:49 PM

I think someone said something about playing in there back yard growing up like cops an robbers. Just think if someone had call the cops to there home an said some white guy is pointing a gun at other kids. The cops get there an shoot a 13 yr kid to death. That dirty cop would go to prison for the rest of his or her life.


You assume too much. Perhaps its more a connection with police and courts, or prosecutors. Makes sense that they look out for each other, after working together. Seems much more likely than every cop determining "Oh he's black, lets get him off the streets".

Besides, did the dispatcher say "there is a black guy pointing a gun at kids"?

On a side note:

No one will ever have a perfect anything, to include enforcement of justice. All you have are a group of people with certain powers granted to them. With power comes the ability to abuse it. Anything "perfect" would actually cease to physically exist in this universe. This is why it is a bad idea to give up individual liberties/powers and hand them over to a group of people to handle it for us. To an extent, it may be necessary, but only under the best circumstances, and under the most desirable conditions. Perhaps we, as a society, have become too reliant on others to take over our responsibilities, which include protection.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 12/04/14 02:47 PM



If the shoe fit you can call it whatever you want too.
Look at the kid that cut an stabed his school mates an againg the kid was taken alive.
This child was black 12 yr old an playing a cool bad man with a play toy gun an was shot dead. Call it what you want.


I would call it an "itchy trigger finger". Wouldn't be racism unless these acts were the same cop or department or even precinct. Then there would be a pattern.

Life and death situations are unique and details define causation. You cant lump them all into a broad category and actually expect it to have meaning.

Probably also insufficient training!
But these days it is not unusual for a Cop to shoot if he encounters a Gun!

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/385458/cop-killed-every-58-hours-michelle-malkin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

Wouldn't want to be a Police-Officer,unthankful Job to say the least!




Standard police officers are highly under-trained. Yes. Again, in the military we were taught to look at other factors leading to a threat as a way to measure possible danger. If no one was running away from this kid in fear, for example, and/or, if this child were smiling as if playing, and/or, the manner in which he even touched his supposed "firearm" (did he look angry, happy, scared, etc.) would help one judge the level of potential threat.

Kids play. They have played with toy guns since guns were invented (and probably before). If this 12 year old would have been 20, the likelihood of him playing "guns" would decrease dramatically.

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Thu 12/04/14 04:02 PM
You assume too much. Perhaps its more a connection with police and courts, or prosecutors. Makes sense that they look out for each other, after working together. Seems much more likely than every cop determining "Oh he's black, lets get him off the streets".

Besides, did the dispatcher say "there is a black guy pointing a gun at kids"?
Please. You think them dirty cops knew it was a playgound full of white kids? The killer been on the job over a year an the driver been on the job over 10 years.
I take it your not a police but I bet you know where the races live in your town/city. Again a white kid shoot kill to many people an if he don't kill his or her self. The cops do there best to bring them in alive. Who did this child hurt? Who did this kid kill? Tell me this child killed or hurt someone an I would agree with you an the cops. To agree with a child killer. Tells me the type of human you be.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 12/05/14 05:51 AM

You assume too much. Perhaps its more a connection with police and courts, or prosecutors. Makes sense that they look out for each other, after working together. Seems much more likely than every cop determining "Oh he's black, lets get him off the streets".

Besides, did the dispatcher say "there is a black guy pointing a gun at kids"?
Please. You think them dirty cops knew it was a playgound full of white kids? The killer been on the job over a year an the driver been on the job over 10 years.
I take it your not a police but I bet you know where the races live in your town/city. Again a white kid shoot kill to many people an if he don't kill his or her self. The cops do there best to bring them in alive. Who did this child hurt? Who did this kid kill? Tell me this child killed or hurt someone an I would agree with you an the cops. To agree with a child killer. Tells me the type of human you be.


You know what you get when you ASSUME?

You are jumping to conclusions without any base of logic here.

For starters, read back on my posts. You ASSUME that I side with the cops only because I disagree with your conclusion of it being all about race.

So, in your eyes it seems, I either call it racist or side with the cop in this case. This is called "oversimplification" and can be identified as a critical thinking fallacy.

In fact, I point out where I suspect that cop used deadly force without first reading his surroundings.

I'm sure we can find numerous accounts where white kids were abused and/or killed by police unjustifiably.

BlkmatureMan57's photo
Fri 12/05/14 09:40 AM
The far far rights be well knowing like the far far left an in betweens. It was done with whats called "Deliberate Intentions"

BlkmatureMan57's photo
Fri 12/05/14 11:34 AM
Cleveland Cop in Toy Gun Killing Resigned From Previous Job After 'Dismal' Handgun Performance, According to Files
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By JAMES HILL17 hours ago


Cleveland Cop in Toy Gun Killing Resigned From Previous Job After 'Dismal' Handgun Performance, According to Files (ABC News)
.The Cleveland police officer under investigation for the fatal shooting of a 12-year-old boy last month resigned from his previous job as a police officer after his superiors determined he had emotional maturity issues, an inability to manage stress and “dismal” performance in firearms training, according to a 2012 personnel file made public Wednesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/cleveland-cop-toy-gun-killing-resigned-previous-job-224232060--abc-news-topstories.html

I rest my case.

metalwing's photo
Fri 12/05/14 11:34 AM

The far far rights be well knowing like the far far left an in betweens. It was done with whats called "Deliberate Intentions"


There are many, including me, who can't see the racial connection between the Fergerson and New York events.

Fox News had several different people interview congressmen, the president of the Urban League, protesters in the street, etc. and asked them to explain the racial connection to either event. No one could come up with anything. Black witnesses confirmed Wilson's story and a black female sargeant was the highest ranking officer in the group that did the "take down" in New York.

Where is the racism?

I think a bunch of race baiters, including the President, Holder, and Sharpton are milking these events to generate as much conflict as possible. The President did it with the "War on Women", young vs old, rich vs poor, and he's still causing as much division as possible.

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Fri 12/05/14 11:38 AM

Cleveland Cop in Toy Gun Killing Resigned From Previous Job After 'Dismal' Handgun Performance, According to Files
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By JAMES HILL17 hours ago


Cleveland Cop in Toy Gun Killing Resigned From Previous Job After 'Dismal' Handgun Performance, According to Files (ABC News)
.The Cleveland police officer under investigation for the fatal shooting of a 12-year-old boy last month resigned from his previous job as a police officer after his superiors determined he had emotional maturity issues, an inability to manage stress and “dismal” performance in firearms training, according to a 2012 personnel file made public Wednesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/cleveland-cop-toy-gun-killing-resigned-previous-job-224232060--abc-news-topstories.html

I rest my case.

What Case?

metalwing's photo
Fri 12/05/14 11:45 AM

Cleveland Cop in Toy Gun Killing Resigned From Previous Job After 'Dismal' Handgun Performance, According to Files
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By JAMES HILL17 hours ago


Cleveland Cop in Toy Gun Killing Resigned From Previous Job After 'Dismal' Handgun Performance, According to Files (ABC News)
.The Cleveland police officer under investigation for the fatal shooting of a 12-year-old boy last month resigned from his previous job as a police officer after his superiors determined he had emotional maturity issues, an inability to manage stress and “dismal” performance in firearms training, according to a 2012 personnel file made public Wednesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/cleveland-cop-toy-gun-killing-resigned-previous-job-224232060--abc-news-topstories.html

I rest my case.


What is the case for RACISM???

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/05/14 12:49 PM


The far far rights be well knowing like the far far left an in betweens. It was done with whats called "Deliberate Intentions"


There are many, including me, who can't see the racial connection between the Fergerson and New York events.

Fox News had several different people interview congressmen, the president of the Urban League, protesters in the street, etc. and asked them to explain the racial connection to either event. No one could come up with anything. Black witnesses confirmed Wilson's story and a black female sargeant was the highest ranking officer in the group that did the "take down" in New York.

Where is the racism?

I think a bunch of race baiters, including the President, Holder, and Sharpton are milking these events to generate as much conflict as possible. The President did it with the "War on Women", young vs old, rich vs poor, and he's still causing as much division as possible.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/05/14 12:50 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 12/05/14 12:52 PM


The far far rights be well knowing like the far far left an in betweens. It was done with whats called "Deliberate Intentions"


There are many, including me, who can't see the racial connection between the Fergerson and New York events.

Fox News had several different people interview congressmen, the president of the Urban League, protesters in the street, etc. and asked them to explain the racial connection to either event. No one could come up with anything. Black witnesses confirmed Wilson's story and a black female sargeant was the highest ranking officer in the group that did the "take down" in New York.

Where is the racism?

I think a bunch of race baiters, including the President, Holder, and Sharpton are milking these events to generate as much conflict as possible. The President did it with the "War on Women", young vs old, rich vs poor, and he's still causing as much division as possible.



unless you are or have loved a black male it doesn't surprise me for you not to understand it

but if you research the race relations in THESE two regions of the country and the community police relations in the black communities involved,, it may be clearer,, if you care to try to understand,,,,

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Fri 12/05/14 12:56 PM
For all must raise beyond the natural impulse to protect it's own race most.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/05/14 01:00 PM

For all must raise beyond the natural impulse to protect it's own race most.


natural instinct to protect self helps to survive,,friends, loved ones, family are all extensions of self more than strangers tend to be

which doesn't in any way PREVENT also standing up for strangers,,

but calls for us to NOTICE more easily the harm done to self,, than strangers,,,

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Fri 12/05/14 01:07 PM


For all must raise beyond the natural impulse to protect it's own race most.


natural instinct to protect self helps to survive,,friends, loved ones, family are all extensions of self more than strangers tend to be

which doesn't in any way PREVENT also standing up for strangers,,

but calls for us to NOTICE more easily the harm done to self,, than strangers,,,


actually, the instinct to protect self or but one's extended family has led many races in history into captivity.

undue harm unto ANY is the same as harm unto all.

for the entire species to protect ONE ANOTHER.

if it be declared racism and prejudice does not exist within one self at least.

"strangers"...

when it comes to undue harm to any, there are no strangers.

peace


msharmony's photo
Fri 12/05/14 01:11 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 12/05/14 01:08 PM
I agree, harm is not acceptable as a standard, and even less acceptable as a standard is death

BUT, I will repeat, that if I don't know it , I can hardly feel emotional over it, and Im more likely to KNOW it when it happens to ME or mine,,,

and if I or mine seem targeted for that harm in disproportion to others, I may take it a bit more PERSONALLY,, while still objecting to the 'overall' harm of all,,,

BlkmatureMan57's photo
Fri 12/05/14 01:18 PM
The case is why have a gun happy black hatein cop working around black people. My case is why have a gun happy black cop that hate white people working around white people?
My case an point.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/05/14 01:24 PM
ya know what though black, I don't even think its that simple

as a nation the MAJORITY of our time has a country was built upon oppression based on RACE,, the effects of which cant be believed to just disappear,,,

any study of implicit association tests reveals a TENDENCY for americans to be more fearful and associate more negative things with black males than ANY OTHER

with that PSYCHE,, its impossible for it not to effect even police departments,,, who then may just 'naturally' through social design automatically see more of a fatal threat in that black male than in others, creating a very real 'fear', that then automatically justifies their deadly reactions,,,,

,,,its scary to me as the sister to three black men and mother of a black son,,,,,


I don't think its simply something as shallow as an actual 'hate',, its just a cultural psyche that very successfully created in the public held image of black men,, an idea of imminent threat,,,


these can be allegedly 'good' people , but their needs to be a retraining of how we treat and view black males,,,, period,,,

BlkmatureMan57's photo
Fri 12/05/14 01:26 PM


Cleveland Cop in Toy Gun Killing Resigned From Previous Job After 'Dismal' Handgun Performance, According to Files
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By JAMES HILL17 hours ago


Cleveland Cop in Toy Gun Killing Resigned From Previous Job After 'Dismal' Handgun Performance, According to Files (ABC News)
.The Cleveland police officer under investigation for the fatal shooting of a 12-year-old boy last month resigned from his previous job as a police officer after his superiors determined he had emotional maturity issues, an inability to manage stress and “dismal” performance in firearms training, according to a 2012 personnel file made public Wednesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/cleveland-cop-toy-gun-killing-resigned-previous-job-224232060--abc-news-topstories.html

I rest my case.

What Case?

My case an point is. Hell no I don't want a redneck black hatein cop pulling me over asking me a dam thang.
My point. First an foremost he would not understand ebons. I'm sure a white person would not want a cop of another race that happen to hate there race pulling them over.
My case!