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in this case, if the cops hadn't fired their real guns, nobody would be dead... deadly force should be used as a last resort not the first... btw is that assault rifle the same kind the kid pulled from his waistband, or was it a small hand gun ?? Airsoft-Guns come in all sorts of Getups,as you'd have found out,if you had looked at that Link! BTW,it isn't the Duty of a Cop to get himself shot,if he can prevent it! if you would have read the OP you would know it was a hand gun and posted an appropriate picture of one... and btw why have the cops take any risk at all ? why not just go whole-hog and have a sniper take him out from a hundred yards ? .50 cal,from a Mile!  Besides I was commenting on Airsoft-Guns in general,not on the particular Airsoft-Gun the Kid had! You still haven't answered whether it is the Duty of a Policeofficer to get himself shot,if he can prevent it! That is actually what this is all about! |
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cant they shoot in a non life threatening way? why was he shot in the stomach and not the arm/shoulder/leg etc? I mean 10 ft away? couldnt he have done that? Police is trained to aim for the biggest Bodymass! Only in Hollywood do they shoot a Weapon out of someone's hand,or Kneecap the Perpetrator! |
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the key words are " if he can prevent it " answer your own question...
this is where the risk part comes in, if they were that close, the two of them should have easily been able to overpower the 12 year old and disarm him. cops are paid to take risks...that means risk their life to protect and serve... not going into it with the attitude of kill-first or be killed... |
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the key words are " if he can prevent it " answer your own question... this is where the risk part comes in, if they were that close, the two of them should have easily been able to overpower the 12 year old and disarm him. cops are paid to take risks...that means risk their life to protect and serve... not going into it with the attitude of kill-first or be killed... You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? Yep,overpower a 12yo armed with a Gun? Holy Mackerel! It's real fun trying to overpower someone armed with a Gun,even if it is a scrawny Teen! Good way to get yourself shot and killed! |
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ayup......with a .50 caliber from a MILE away...
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the key words are " if he can prevent it " answer your own question... this is where the risk part comes in, if they were that close, the two of them should have easily been able to overpower the 12 year old and disarm him. cops are paid to take risks...that means risk their life to protect and serve... not going into it with the attitude of kill-first or be killed... You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? Yep,overpower a 12yo armed with a Gun? Holy Mackerel! It's real fun trying to overpower someone armed with a Gun,even if it is a scrawny Teen! Good way to get yourself shot and killed! Nope,you just shoot to incapacitate,which sometimes mean Death! If the Gun had been real,that Kid would have been a danger not just to the Officer,but to everyone around! Again,the question is,does a Cop give up his Right of Selfdefense once he joins the Force? Officer had no way of knowing the Gun wasn't real!  A gas blowback Heckler & Koch USP Compact replica, made by KSC. |
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Edited by
alleoops
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Tue 11/25/14 06:41 AM
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How about coming around a corner to see this? 
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How about coming around a corner to see this? thanks for proving my point....this guy looks like a real tough gangsta... all 60 pounds of him.....best to resort to deadly force while i still have a chance.. |
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Edited by
alleoops
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Tue 11/25/14 07:53 AM
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How about coming around a corner to see this? thanks for proving my point....this guy looks like a real tough gangsta... all 60 pounds of him.....best to resort to deadly force while i still have a chance.. Unfortunately,Cops don't have time to weigh everyone with a gun. Is the gun real or not? |
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That 12 year had removed the yellow cap on the end of an air soft gun that looked like a nine mm automatic. He probably thought taking the cap off would make him look gangsta' but it made him dead.
Actually he was told to put his hands up, instead.. he pulled the gun on them..well it is sad but a 12 yr old should know better..How would they know it wasnt real! |
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i would have time to see there are no chamber holes showing in the cylinder of that revolver and i'd have time to walk up to him and take the toy gun away and then have a good talk with him and his parents at the station house....or i could immediately pop off a couple rounds to his head and say i felt my life was in grave danger so i used deadly force...
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Tue 11/25/14 08:16 AM
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i would have time to see there are no chamber holes showing in the cylinder of that revolver and i'd have time to walk up to him and take the toy gun away and then have a good talk with him and his parents at the station house....or i could immediately pop off a couple rounds to his head and say i felt my life was in grave danger so i used deadly force...  yeah,right! the day after he was shot while holding the airsoft gun - which resembles a semi-automatic handgun but fires pellets. Semi-Automatic,NOT a Revolver! good luck seeing the Empty Chambers in this thing! Great Cylinder it got,very visible!  BB gun ... a replica gun taken from a 12-year old who was fatally shot by Cleveland police. Picture: AP Photo/Cleveland Police Department http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/police-say-boy-held-air-gun-indistinguishable-from-a-real-gun/story-fni6um3i-1227133702247?nk=3a19cf9e34db40a9a2a17e89599a47e7 |
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i would have time to see there are no chamber holes showing in the cylinder of that revolver and i'd have time to walk up to him and take the toy gun away and then have a good talk with him and his parents at the station house....or i could immediately pop off a couple rounds to his head and say i felt my life was in grave danger so i used deadly force... Bring out the rolling heads! 
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i would have time to see there are no chamber holes showing in the cylinder of that revolver and i'd have time to walk up to him and take the toy gun away and then have a good talk with him and his parents at the station house....or i could immediately pop off a couple rounds to his head and say i felt my life was in grave danger so i used deadly force... i thought it was obvious i was talking about the kid in the picture who is holding a revolver....sorry you misunderstood, take a look at that gun again.......as for the real 12 year old in cleveland...i stand by my position that two grown men trained properly and within 10 feet of that kid should have been able to subdue and disarm him without the use of deadly force the only reason there was a fatality is because the officer discharged his real firearm...i don't care how real the gun looked...their job is to be in the line of fire, to serve and protect....just as the fireman puts his life on the line when he enters a burning building, i expect cops to do the same, not go on duty to face all encounters with a primary idea of self-preservation at all costs to those he has sworn to serve and protect... |
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i would have time to see there are no chamber holes showing in the cylinder of that revolver and i'd have time to walk up to him and take the toy gun away and then have a good talk with him and his parents at the station house....or i could immediately pop off a couple rounds to his head and say i felt my life was in grave danger so i used deadly force... i thought it was obvious i was talking about the kid in the picture who is holding a revolver....sorry you misunderstood, take a look at that gun again.......as for the real 12 year old in cleveland...i stand by my position that two grown men trained properly and within 10 feet of that kid should have been able to subdue and disarm him without the use of deadly force the only reason there was a fatality is because the officer discharged his real firearm...i don't care how real the gun looked...their job is to be in the line of fire, to serve and protect....just as the fireman puts his life on the line when he enters a burning building, i expect cops to do the same, not go on duty to face all encounters with a primary idea of self-preservation at all costs to those he has sworn to serve and protect... I doubt you know what you're talking about! Doesn't take long to pull the Trigger of a Firearm!You'd be lucky you'd make five feet of those Ten! Trying to disarm someone barehanded who is holding a Gun on you,is about as foolish an Idea as one can get,especially if you also hold a Firearm! 
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That 12 year had removed the yellow cap on the end of an air soft gun that looked like a nine mm automatic. He probably thought taking the cap off would make him look gangsta' but it made him dead. Actually he was told to put his hands up, instead.. he pulled the gun on them..well it is sad but a 12 yr old should know better..How would they know it wasnt real! |
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Why would any parent allow their kid to have a weapon like this.
Maybe some, like Argo, think it's ok or don't think... 
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Why would any parent allow their kid to have a weapon like this. Maybe some, like Argo, think it's ok or don't think... no one thinks for me, least of all those who have closed minds and refuse to see both sides of the coin....as usual, when i visit this thread, i see no reason to continue a pointless debate with people who have made up their minds...i'm surely not going to change your thinking....so i'll leave it at this, we only agree to disagree....i'm glad i've been able to express my position on the topic, in a public forum....and will leave it to the other readers to access any merit to my personal opinions...thanks for the opportunity, it's been an interesting evening..... 
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Maybe parents will see the story and learn to teach their kids about gun safety, even the toy guns.
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Any time a child is killed, no matter the circumstances, it is tragic...beyond sad.
As a soldier, I never had to face an armed child, thankfully. If I had, my mother would have been the one grieving. |
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