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| Topic: Superstar Big Zimbob Signs Autographs at Gunshow | |
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Martin initiate the physical confrontation......that is a crime. no, thats not a crime... he had every do defend himself too... i would have done the same thing TM did, being accosted by an overzealous watchdog? you guys are big supporters of rights, the constitution, liberty, right? so why did yall fall of the boat on this one? TM was walking home, talking to his girlfriend on the phone... isn't that his right to do without getting accosted and shot? he's dead now because someone else (GZ) decided that he needed to interfere with TM's walk... to me, thats just as bad as any police state action in the country.. The first quoted statement is the true statement but you have no clue, that is multiple crimes in and of itself, but the act of trespass is a very serious offense with a remedy up to and including death. The only one to "fall off the boat" as you so gloriously put it wold be the little thug. First, George had a right to follow someone suspicious in "his" neighborhood. The little thug had a right to stop and ask why. But once the violence started, George had a right to kill, which he did. |
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Zimmerman didn't PHYSICAL initiate the confrontation....Zimmerman did NOTHING to stop Martin from walking home...observing someone isn't accosting them, it isn't violating their rights. Martin initiated the confrontation, and that is not an act of defense as you are trying to insinuate, it's an act of aggression which is assault and that is a crime. Right thought, wrong verbiage. Assault is act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person. So when a young thug tells you he is going to beat your a$$, that is assault. Battery is a criminal offense involving unlawful physical contact, distinct from assault which is the apprehension, not fear, of such contact. Now the second crime, actual physical contact and it does even have to be violence, just the physical contact. Both of these crimes fit into an action called trespass, specifically trespass upon the person. Trespass is an area of tort law broadly divided into three groups: trespass to the person, trespass to chattels and trespass to land. |
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Treyvons 'experience' was as a teen who had fought in TEEN fights Zimmerman's experience was as an ADULT who tussled in mma rings with ADULTS And had police training,,, he was WEAK to not be able to defend himself against a 158 pound high schooler,,, The little thugs experience was one fight too many, now can never do that again, justice has been served. |
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obviously, he is dead he stood up to a stalker with a gun and lost his life,, bad choice, the way its a bad choice for a woman to walk around half naked still doesn't make her rapist any less of a creep or treyvons killer anymore of a coward,,, The world according to the sect of entitlement, champion and defend any dead cause irregardless of the actual law except against law of entitlement, the only one actually against the law. |
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obviously, he is dead he stood up to a stalker with a gun and lost his life,, bad choice, the way its a bad choice for a woman to walk around half naked still doesn't make her rapist any less of a creep or treyvons killer anymore of a coward,,, What does walking around half naked have to do with it, just a diversion from the real matter, don't bring fist to a gun fight. |
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According to M2 legal professionals dead thug committed no crime by assaulting Big Z. I'll be sure not to seek legal representation from them. 
according to M2 constitutionalists, 'dead thug' had the right to defend himself against a grown man following him around at night and trying to detain him or otherwise initiate physical confrontation,,, like I said,, some 'professionals' here believe Z was 'defending himself' and others believe it was the unarmed teen being followed alone at night who should be given that benefit,,,, Dead thug had no rights that covered his actions. No matter how many times and how many ways you try to twist the facts, they are what they are and that is that. Seems a jury seems to agree, matter is resolved. |
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took him out of a bigoted world that only saw 'thug' when they looked at him,,, opened the eyes of many to later fight for more just laws and possibly save the lives of other kids like him a martyr whose death will be more valuable than his killers life will ever hope to be,, I will support the fight for all just laws. So when is the armed robbery by the government going to stop? |
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you people are hypocrites... that kid didn't have a right to live? i seriously hope some fat, pos security guard starts hassling all of yall over something you didn't do wrong... if he shoots ya, poetic justice at it's finest... remember that next time you start posting crap about peoples rights, because apparently, it's only the people you think should have rights and not everyone... i see you guys as the hypocrites you really are now... Really and what rights would that be, the one's you obtain from the constitution? There's a guy down in Austin that can explain rights to you, name of Alex Jones. He is really keen on the ole 2nd Amendment infringements. |
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a martyr whose death will be more valuable than his killers life will ever hope to be,, Sure is, the world of entitlements expand. |
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Regardless of your position on his actions that resulted in his being tried, George Zimmerman is a douche nozzle. And anyone who sought his autograph is also a douche nozzle. The people responsible for arranging his appearance - also douche nozzles. Ignore him so he'll go away. I want his autograph, maybe he'll come to a gun show near me. |
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Hmmmmmm So all these punks (some younger and smaller than T) that have caused 2 deaths and multiple serious injuries already in their "knock-out" games, should not be defended against because one of theirs met with a bullet from a guy who refused, and was PROVEN, to be a victim by a jury of his peers. The spineless liberals want to make victims of all of us, destroy our rights guaranteed by our Constitution, not to raise society up, but to bring us all down to their level of govt welfare drones, dependent on the state, not to protect, but to draw up tidy paperwork, causing more govt grants (at taxpayer expense), laws, and more power over the people by the state. They have to keep racism, division, and fear alive. It's a profitable big pen that writes many more checks at the expense of the people. A show, to make it look like they are doing something, when in fact, all that is accomplished is a further loss of liberty and human rights. Idiot liberals and their agendas are what's destroying America, and it has fallen faster in the last 5 years than any time in history under this Imperial POTUS and his senate enablers! I'm not implying that people should be denied the right to defend themselves. I am implying that this Zimmerman fellow has poor character. Right or wrong, his sole "claim to fame" is that he killed a teenage boy. Soldiers exhibit more conscience in regards to armed men that were actually trying to kill them. I don't pretend to know what occurred that night but I don't believe this kid "jumped" this man playing the "knock out game". As a matter of law he was justified, but he escalated the situation, either purposely or out of ignorance. As a former security supervisor at a large, publicly accessed, facility that encompassed more than eight square blocks, I dealt with people and staff from all walks of life. I instructed my subordinates to let "punk kids" walk and talk. They are kids and haven't the reasoning powers of adults. They do not respond to threatening words from adults because they feel safeguarded against physical violence by their very youth. But if grabbed they will fight back. I never had to raise my voice or get physical to enforce the policies against loitering and trespassing. And I am not of an imposing size that intimidates. What WAS intimidating was the fact that I could not be goaded into argument or losing my temper. I stood stone faced as these kids complied with my order while loudly and publicly making statements such as, "rent a cop", "wanna be cop", "fake a&% cop", "paul blart", "you get near me and I'll kick your a$&", "if I ever see you on the street...", etc. Sometimes I DID see them on the street and do you know what happened? They either just nodded and looked at the ground when I said hello to them or they apologized for their behavior. I believe that had I performed my duties with the mindset of a teenage boy I would've taught these kids that their poor conduct is a sign of adulthood and manliness. While there were many cases where I was forced to intervene physically to quell violence or restore order, 90% involved adults. The 10% that involved kids were instigated by the Security Officer that was first on scene, mishandled the situation, and required assistance. For the record, I was an andy griffith type that carried no weapon (and without the Bob's Big Boy hairdo) yet often single-handedly controlled unruly crowds, made arrests, secured detainees until law enforcement officers arrived, disarmed subjects, deescalated hostile situations and quelled acts of physical violence. Not because I'm a bad a*$, but because I'm a regular feller that don't want to fight you but darn sure will. That is my kung fu and it is strong! All of that and without actually knowing someone, you feel compelled to condemn them or have you actually spent time with the man? |
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this was not a 'thug' playing a 'knockout' game,, this was a teen who had good reason to feel intimidated and in danger by a grown man going to such great lengths to follow him in the dark, in the rain, in an area he was not yet familiar with,, this has NOTHING to do with presidents, or government, this is about the poor choices of those who happen to be cowardly without their gun and bullies with them,,, Hadn't figured out where to rob yet, is that the definition of an area not yet familiar with? |
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You know this nations people are in big trouble when a cowardly man becomes a hero who signs autographs. What cowardly man is signing autographs, Odumbo or Holder? |
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so well put,,, 
And so aptly accepted, remarkable. Give the computer a break. |
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lol, some people can't afford to get dumber...er... some of us are skating on thin ice as is.... Very insightful. Couldn't have put it better myself. |
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obviously, he is dead he stood up to a stalker with a gun and lost his life,, bad choice, the way its a bad choice for a woman to walk around half naked still doesn't make her rapist any less of a creep or treyvons killer anymore of a coward,,, What does walking around half naked have to do with it, just a diversion from the real matter, don't bring fist to a gun fight. it has to do with the 'they deserved it' mentality Zs supporters feel like he somehow deserved to be stalked and stopped and assaulted and killed to them T was a 'thug' (although he is a teen with a only a potential theft and a school fight on his record, contrary to the ADULT who has had multiple accusations of assault on WOMEN in his adulthood and an assault on a cop and a restraining order,, but to his fans, he was the innocent one and the teen was the 'thug') the adult with the tendency to harass and threaten should have stayed in the car, and but for choosing to be his usual bullying self,, both would still be alive,, |
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and how many 'kids' did he cause to bleed? do people not bleed if you fight the BACK or should one just take beatings so they are not later labeled 'thugs' anyhow, no problem, now Z is the thug, and he gets to live life with the 'suspect' treatment he gave Treyvon Karma is the mother of all mothers,, This is a totally idiotic statement. How is George the thug? Is he going on welfare? Is that his karma? obvious he judged someone a 'thug' who didn't deserve life and now he lives with that same judgment in the eyes of others |
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Hmmmmmm So all these punks (some younger and smaller than T) that have caused 2 deaths and multiple serious injuries already in their "knock-out" games, should not be defended against because one of theirs met with a bullet from a guy who refused, and was PROVEN, to be a victim by a jury of his peers. The spineless liberals want to make victims of all of us, destroy our rights guaranteed by our Constitution, not to raise society up, but to bring us all down to their level of govt welfare drones, dependent on the state, not to protect, but to draw up tidy paperwork, causing more govt grants (at taxpayer expense), laws, and more power over the people by the state. They have to keep racism, division, and fear alive. It's a profitable big pen that writes many more checks at the expense of the people. A show, to make it look like they are doing something, when in fact, all that is accomplished is a further loss of liberty and human rights. Idiot liberals and their agendas are what's destroying America, and it has fallen faster in the last 5 years than any time in history under this Imperial POTUS and his senate enablers! there is a HUGE Difference between minding ones own business and being punched and following someone in your car and AFTER they run from you getting out on foot and continuing to follow them this was not a 'thug' playing a 'knockout' game,, this was a teen who had good reason to feel intimidated and in danger by a grown man going to such great lengths to follow him in the dark, in the rain, in an area he was not yet familiar with,, this has NOTHING to do with presidents, or government, this is about the poor choices of those who happen to be cowardly without their gun and bullies with them,,, Intimidated and in danger? LOL Are you serious??? If he was intimidated and felt he was in danger it's more likely he would have gone home....it's highly unlikely he would have initiated a physical confrontation. He may have felt intimidated and in danger if he KNEW Zimmerman had a gun....but the gun was CONCEALED, Martin didn't know he had a gun. You make it sound like Zimmerman had his gun drawn.....and maybe if it was drawn the outcome would have been different. Martin might have actually been intimidated and fled instead of initiating the confrontation. bologna first, it wasn't just 'home', it was a new place and a new area where all the homes look identical.... second, IM not leading some lunatic stalker back to where my younger sibling is if he DIDNT feel intimidated he wouldn't have 'run', as Zimmerman is heard explaining he did on his call to police or as his friend on the phone HEARD him doing,, Ive been there, across the street from my home in a park and I didn't just try to 'run home',, 1st because I didn't think I could get away from him and second because I ddnt want him to know where I lived I likewise finally TURNED And engaged him verbally he likewise tried (successfully) to detain me and I likewise FOUGHT all while feeling like MY LIFE MIGHT BE IN DANGER From some weirdo intent on following me around,,, the fact that I don't KNOW if someone has a gun MAKES it just as intimidating,,,,and if in the struggle I see they DO have a weapon,,,,I doubt Im not gonna fight for my life too,, Z was a bully stalker with a gun, someone got the better of him, he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag so he shot with a gun instead,,,, I didn't need to be close friends to come to a conclusion anymore than any calling the teen a 'thug' need to have known him to come to theirs my 'BS' is based on the evidence Zimmermans own recorded voice, getting out his car, stating the teen changed direction, stating the teen ran, expressing rage at the idea the teen might 'get away' the teen being found in the BACK walkway away from the road or Zs car,,,where he had FOLLOWED HIM according to Zs BS testimony of needing to get out to go check the street name . according to the person on the phone with T who heard him first call Z a ***** staring at him, and then a cracka following him(notice she didn't try to PAINT Him as an innocent just gave the full story good and bad,, much more believable than Zs hype) and hearing him run (around the same time Z is stating he ran) and hearing T say he was tired of running before stating that Z was once more 'right behind him' that and the conversation of why are you following me and what are you doing around here,, before the phone fell and the WITNESS account (the same Z witness who claimed he had an MMA style beating) that they were first TUSSLING UPRIGHT (not matching the BS z version of the boy suddenly deciding once he had lost him to double back and sucker punch him) listening to the testimony and having been there myself (stalked and assaulted near home) I did PRECISELY what was my right and should have been Martins,, FOUGHT for my life only difference is my attacker didn't have a gun, and the coward he was he ran away for fear of drawing attention Martins attacker felt superhuman with his gun and when HE feared that his assault woldnt end in his favor he took the boys life I don't have to have been there or known Martin to come to my conclusion,anymore than you have to have been there or known Zimmerman to come to yours in the end, a teen has died and his killer is running around being seen as some hero by the sickos who are much more comfortable labeling the teen by his flaws than taking notice of the flaws of his killer,,, |
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and how many 'kids' did he cause to bleed? do people not bleed if you fight the BACK or should one just take beatings so they are not later labeled 'thugs' anyhow, no problem, now Z is the thug, and he gets to live life with the 'suspect' treatment he gave Treyvon Karma is the mother of all mothers,, This is a totally idiotic statement. How is George the thug? Is he going on welfare? Is that his karma? obvious he judged someone a 'thug' who didn't deserve life and now he lives with that same judgment in the eyes of others Only in the eyes of the idiots that deny the teen thug was a thug and got what he asked for, a fight. But as usual with a thug, they came unprepared. |
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u r right
only Im not making excuses, I have actually BEEN in Treyvons shoes the ones making excuses are making it for the thug named ZIMMERMAN |
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