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Topic: Superstar Big Zimbob Signs Autographs at Gunshow
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Wed 03/19/14 06:41 PM


well put, I recently took that approach with a certain female entertainer , its proven harder to take that approach on this subject because I have been in that situation and I have an only son who could find himself in that situation,,,

it literally turns my stomach listening and reading the praises for this person,,,and simultaneous and hypocritical condemnation of the teen who lost his life

but maybe that is even more reason to avoid the topic,,

I do appreciate your rational contribution, something to consider very seriouslyflowerforyou

His ho mama named him Dead Thug. Hate to call her a ho, cuz another fellow impressioned on me that a ho serves a purpose.

She tryin ta get green, now she lost a meal ticket.

I can here on the skreet corner now. "I luvs mah boi. Buy a teeshirt and bumpa stickah, missah, pleeese."

Perhaps a job would be in order.


Yeah, isn't it really just sick at what the entitlement crowd can come up with.


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 03/20/14 08:12 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 03/20/14 08:29 AM

Msharmony i'd give it up,

Arguing with someone who chooses to have a fictitious "civil" flag as their profile pic already shows you that they are going to follow their beliefs regardless if it is based in fiction or not.

http://www.loeser.us/flags/american_note_2.html

No matter how many times you say the facts in the case, they will still refuse to believe it, because frankly they don't want to.

Just like i'm a form supporter of the Constitution but now somehow because I think George Zimmeran acted inappropriately, I now apparently have no faith in it, I am also some how lumped into someones version of the "entitlement crowd" oh and my understanding of a what a 'right' is, is apparently flawed.

The other side of the argument will always be "thug got what he deserved" my problem is we aren't a vigilante nation, and George Zimmerman stepped outside of his duties, if he was a cop, i'd probably be on his side, my problem is he isn't a cop, and him trying to act like one got someone killed.

Someone who took a 3-hour gun course that fulfilled the requirements for a Concealed Carry Permit, doesn't, and shouldn't have the same authority as someone who spent 12-30 weeks in a police academy.

George Zimmerman's own words "These azzholes they always get away" it wasn't his job to make sure they didn't get away, that is a job for the police, and again he isn't the police.

But his supporters will continue to uphold him as some sort of hero/celebrity...

When in reality he is nothing but a wanna-be police officer, who pretended to have more authority than he did, got in an altercation(after he was advised by professionals to not even follow), and then he took someone's life.

Not someone I would want anyone looking up to, but some will, some won't and even others will realize that in the grand scheme of things he's really a nobody pretending to be a somebody and as long as we are talking about him, we are helping him in that endeavor. So with that, I am done with this topic, Zimmerman doesn't deserve the attention, so I'm starting with myself and refusing to give him any more of it.



Support for Z and support of the Constitution and rule of law are not necessarily the same thing, but one does substantiate the other.

Under law, Z is innocent. He was found NOT GUILTY. We all make mistakes, but just imagine if we were not a society that forgives such errors as we might make in our individual choices.

Z was on the neighborhood watch. There had been a rash of burglaries and such in his community. A young man in a "hoodie", any young man, black, white, red, blue, purple or green, that was not known to him would cause a need to "investigate" or he would not be doing his job.

He was licensed to carry his weapon (a right protected under the Constitution), he was on patrol (a neighborhood watch person is always on patrol so to speak), He called 911 (and spoke to an operator, not an officer....who wouldn't ordinarily respond to such a call anyway. You can't even get them to come and investigate a burglary these days until long after it has been reported.... they take a statement over the phone....for insurance purposes), and the jury believed he was attacked by Martin when contact was made.... some believed from a concealed location.

So a man exercizing his Constitutional right to carry, was attacked, defended himself with a tool he was licensed to carry, in the performance of his duties, and he is somehow guilty of something? What exactly? Self defense?

The police originally refused to file charges after their initial investigation (they were there, knew of the 911 call, and all details anyone else can only assume).

Pressure caused the indictment, the trial, and yet again, after a jury trial, Z was AGAIN found innocent of any wrong doing.

So don't try to overwrite our Constitution in favor of your personal belief or opinion. Justice and law doesn't work that way. (well....maybe this POTUS thinks it does)

The entire justice system is corrupt, right up to the Top Cop Holder, but if you really had outrage over such things, you would be better serving the injustice by policing law enforcement who seem to shoot first and ask questions later (under the color of law and authority) these days, killing citizens in their own homes, wheelchairs, garages and reaching for their canes, rather than focusing on a man who has been to trial and found innocent!


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Thu 03/20/14 08:28 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 03/20/14 08:34 AM
if people would stop 'focusing' on a man who shot an unarmed teenager as if he should be rewarded

other people probably wont RESPOND with their disagreement about that pov,,,,

WHOEVER is president,,,lol

sidenote: in another thread some who would praise this coward even admit they would resort to violence upon someone who tried to detain and search them,,,,,

Treyvon should have had that same benefit without being SHOT DEAD for it.

Z is off because it cant be proven what LEAD to the altercation. There is a conversation preceding that is heard by both an ear witness on a phone and one of the witnesses LIVING there

and a history of Z putting his hands on others

and Treys phone was found in the grass, backing up that he was ON the phone when the altercation begun, making the person on the other end privy to the discussion before the altercation

,, Zs saving grace was they didn't put HIS slow , cowardly behind on he stand for people to question and ridicule like they did the young girl nearly TEN years his junior

but not all 'justice' happens in a courtroom, and I am actually positive that fate will even things out at the end of the day,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 03/20/14 08:30 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 03/20/14 08:31 AM

if people would stop 'focusing' on a man who shot an unarmed teenager as if he should be rewarded

other people probably wont RESPOND with their disagreement about that pov,,,,

WHOMEVER is president,,,lol


Typical liberal..... ignore law and facts to fit their own opinion

The reason such things become necessity

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/20/14 08:41 AM


if people would stop 'focusing' on a man who shot an unarmed teenager as if he should be rewarded

other people probably wont RESPOND with their disagreement about that pov,,,,

WHOMEVER is president,,,lol


Typical liberal..... ignore law and facts to fit their own opinion

The reason such things become necessity



typical hypocrite....ignore the people who begin these topics in a PUBLIC FORUM but complain about the 'focus' and 'obsession' of those who respond


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Thu 03/20/14 08:48 AM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 03/20/14 08:53 AM
If gangsta was such a nice boy, why did Dead Thug mama send him to live with Daddy? Or, what she really did was kick him out. Why?

Here's another thing that pops up.

texts say he was kicked out of school & home for fighting. His friends all kept telling him to stop fighting before he got expelled. TM could not resist beating the crap out of "snitches". He would lure them into "a duck off spot" & beat the crap out of them. TM said "broken nose did not bleed enough" so "he going to beat him again".


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 03/20/14 08:53 AM



if people would stop 'focusing' on a man who shot an unarmed teenager as if he should be rewarded

other people probably wont RESPOND with their disagreement about that pov,,,,

WHOMEVER is president,,,lol


Typical liberal..... ignore law and facts to fit their own opinion

The reason such things become necessity



typical hypocrite....ignore the people who begin these topics in a PUBLIC FORUM but complain about the 'focus' and 'obsession' of those who respond




"Obsession"..... you said it, not I

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/20/14 09:05 AM

If gangsta was such a nice boy, why did Dead Thug mama send him to live with Daddy? Or, what she really did was kick him out. Why?

Here's another thing that pops up.

texts say he was kicked out of school & home for fighting. His friends all kept telling him to stop fighting before he got expelled. TM could not resist beating the crap out of "snitches". He would lure them into "a duck off spot" & beat the crap out of them. TM said "broken nose did not bleed enough" so "he going to beat him again".



msharmony's photo
Thu 03/20/14 09:05 AM

If gangsta was such a nice boy, why did Dead Thug mama send him to live with Daddy? Or, what she really did was kick him out. Why?

Here's another thing that pops up.

texts say he was kicked out of school & home for fighting. His friends all kept telling him to stop fighting before he got expelled. TM could not resist beating the crap out of "snitches". He would lure them into "a duck off spot" & beat the crap out of them. TM said "broken nose did not bleed enough" so "he going to beat him again".



msharmony's photo
Thu 03/20/14 09:09 AM

If gangsta was such a nice boy, why did Dead Thug mama send him to live with Daddy? Or, what she really did was kick him out. Why?

Here's another thing that pops up.

texts say he was kicked out of school & home for fighting. His friends all kept telling him to stop fighting before he got expelled. TM could not resist beating the crap out of "snitches". He would lure them into "a duck off spot" & beat the crap out of them. TM said "broken nose did not bleed enough" so "he going to beat him again".


jeesh, where do you people get this stuff.

possibly a reason the text wasn't allowed,, it was BS
records show three suspentions for the teen

once for graffiti
once for excessive tardiness
and the last time for having a baggie 'believed' to have had previously contained marijuana

the last suspension occurred during the time the teen told someone in a text (who obviously didn't attend his school)that he had been in a fight,,,

as far as what his 'friends' said, we only got to hear from one friend and the same cowardly adults who have a coward for a hero were immediately attacking her all over the media


Smartazzjohn's photo
Thu 03/20/14 09:18 AM

Is it the death of Martin he is profiting from or the attention he got in the media, from "civil right profiteers", politicians and even the president?

I would suggest he is profiting from the latter, without the attention he got nationally he would be an unknown and therefore not valuable in attracting people to attend any type of event.


This is worth repeating for those who find Zimmerman making money from his notoriety abhorrent.......it was caused by those who wanted him punished UNJUSTLTY for a crime he was found NOT GUILTY of committing. It's a case of cause and effect.

But it's becoming typical that the people who created the caused, those that supported and demanded his trial, WON'T take responsibility for the EFFECT, him profiting from his notoriety, of their actions which proved to be unwarranted by virtue of his acquittal in a court of law. It just feels better to put the blame on others rather than take responsibility for ones own actions when the desired results don't come to fruition.

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Thu 03/20/14 09:20 AM
Tracy Fruit Martin.

testimony about the exchange over gun purchases Trayvon was exchanging text’s with a person who’s nickname was “fruit”.

Yes, that means that Tracy Martin was texting his son, Trayvon, about buying and selling handguns.


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There were two black witnesses that spoke to the police in Zimmerman's favor and then had to leave town under death threats.

The Obama Administration jumped on this case as a fore courser to overturn "Stand Your Ground", Castle Doctrine, and concealed carry in Florida and then on to the rest of the states. Getting the race pimps involved was standard.

Erick Holder has all of Trayvon cell phone records to his girlfriend,drug dealer and the two street dealers he was trying to by a handgun from. It would have blown the case wide open, but we will never hear those calls.

The Black Panthers put out a $10,000 reward for the person who killed Zimmerman. His parents were threatened and had to go into hiding. The police chief was threatened and had to leave his job.

Obamgod Himself tried to immaculate the want-a-be street thug.

The news media blanketed the airways with photos of a cute little Trayvon when he was 10 years old.

Thank God that the jurors were able to wade through all the BS and come to the understanding that under the LAW, there could be no other outcome but not guilty.

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/20/14 09:30 AM




if people would stop 'focusing' on a man who shot an unarmed teenager as if he should be rewarded

other people probably wont RESPOND with their disagreement about that pov,,,,

WHOMEVER is president,,,lol


Typical liberal..... ignore law and facts to fit their own opinion

The reason such things become necessity



typical hypocrite....ignore the people who begin these topics in a PUBLIC FORUM but complain about the 'focus' and 'obsession' of those who respond




"Obsession"..... you said it, not I


I know, 'focus' was your word

as in the op is FOCUSING on his opinion of Zimmerman

and others responded , in kind, with their opinion,,,



Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 03/20/14 09:34 AM





if people would stop 'focusing' on a man who shot an unarmed teenager as if he should be rewarded

other people probably wont RESPOND with their disagreement about that pov,,,,

WHOMEVER is president,,,lol


Typical liberal..... ignore law and facts to fit their own opinion

The reason such things become necessity



typical hypocrite....ignore the people who begin these topics in a PUBLIC FORUM but complain about the 'focus' and 'obsession' of those who respond




"Obsession"..... you said it, not I


I know, 'focus' was your word

as in the op is FOCUSING on his opinion of Zimmerman

and others responded , in kind, with their opinion,,,





No, the OP was hijacked in the manner an internet troll would use to discredit/attack the object of conversation, the person, rather than anything to do with the topic....the lawsuit

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/20/14 12:05 PM


Is it the death of Martin he is profiting from or the attention he got in the media, from "civil right profiteers", politicians and even the president?

I would suggest he is profiting from the latter, without the attention he got nationally he would be an unknown and therefore not valuable in attracting people to attend any type of event.


This is worth repeating for those who find Zimmerman making money from his notoriety abhorrent.......it was caused by those who wanted him punished UNJUSTLTY for a crime he was found NOT GUILTY of committing. It's a case of cause and effect.

But it's becoming typical that the people who created the caused, those that supported and demanded his trial, WON'T take responsibility for the EFFECT, him profiting from his notoriety, of their actions which proved to be unwarranted by virtue of his acquittal in a court of law. It just feels better to put the blame on others rather than take responsibility for ones own actions when the desired results don't come to fruition.



does this rebuke also apply to those who sought ojs conviction for Nicole brown?

or those who sought Mansons conviction ?

o those who sought Bundys conviction?

I think all these people were able to gain notoriety and income from their ordeal too?


should people let things slide so there is no notoriety or profit for the accused, or should people instead be unwilling to contribute to the profit or notoriety instead?


msharmony's photo
Thu 03/20/14 12:09 PM






if people would stop 'focusing' on a man who shot an unarmed teenager as if he should be rewarded

other people probably wont RESPOND with their disagreement about that pov,,,,

WHOMEVER is president,,,lol


Typical liberal..... ignore law and facts to fit their own opinion

The reason such things become necessity



typical hypocrite....ignore the people who begin these topics in a PUBLIC FORUM but complain about the 'focus' and 'obsession' of those who respond




"Obsession"..... you said it, not I


I know, 'focus' was your word

as in the op is FOCUSING on his opinion of Zimmerman

and others responded , in kind, with their opinion,,,





No, the OP was hijacked in the manner an internet troll would use to discredit/attack the object of conversation, the person, rather than anything to do with the topic....the lawsuit



FAIL Again

no hijacking here

the TOPIC was applauding and contributing to his notoriety and applauding his decision to shoot an unarmed teen

maybe you should re read the OP

that topic, EVOLVED into opinions about the subject of that notoriety and the appropriateness of his being revered in such a manner

but only those who don't REVERE the coward are told they shouldn't focus on him, while those posting and INITIATING A THREAD regarding their admiration for him are left without complaint or correction


....par for the course,,,

willing2's photo
Thu 03/20/14 12:09 PM

Tracy Fruit Martin.

testimony about the exchange over gun purchases Trayvon was exchanging text’s with a person who’s nickname was “fruit”.

Yes, that means that Tracy Martin was texting his son, Trayvon, about buying and selling handguns.


----------------------------------------------------------------------

There were two black witnesses that spoke to the police in Zimmerman's favor and then had to leave town under death threats.

The Obama Administration jumped on this case as a fore courser to overturn "Stand Your Ground", Castle Doctrine, and concealed carry in Florida and then on to the rest of the states. Getting the race pimps involved was standard.

Erick Holder has all of Trayvon cell phone records to his girlfriend,drug dealer and the two street dealers he was trying to by a handgun from. It would have blown the case wide open, but we will never hear those calls.

The Black Panthers put out a $10,000 reward for the person who killed Zimmerman. His parents were threatened and had to go into hiding. The police chief was threatened and had to leave his job.

Obamgod Himself tried to immaculate the want-a-be street thug.

The news media blanketed the airways with photos of a cute little Trayvon when he was 10 years old.

Thank God that the jurors were able to wade through all the BS and come to the understanding that under the LAW, there could be no other outcome but not guilty.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 03/20/14 12:26 PM







if people would stop 'focusing' on a man who shot an unarmed teenager as if he should be rewarded

other people probably wont RESPOND with their disagreement about that pov,,,,

WHOMEVER is president,,,lol


Typical liberal..... ignore law and facts to fit their own opinion

The reason such things become necessity



typical hypocrite....ignore the people who begin these topics in a PUBLIC FORUM but complain about the 'focus' and 'obsession' of those who respond




"Obsession"..... you said it, not I


I know, 'focus' was your word

as in the op is FOCUSING on his opinion of Zimmerman

and others responded , in kind, with their opinion,,,





No, the OP was hijacked in the manner an internet troll would use to discredit/attack the object of conversation, the person, rather than anything to do with the topic....the lawsuit



FAIL Again

no hijacking here

the TOPIC was applauding and contributing to his notoriety and applauding his decision to shoot an unarmed teen

maybe you should re read the OP

that topic, EVOLVED into opinions about the subject of that notoriety and the appropriateness of his being revered in such a manner

but only those who don't REVERE the coward are told they shouldn't focus on him, while those posting and INITIATING A THREAD regarding their admiration for him are left without complaint or correction


....par for the course,,,



What article were you reading? Obviously not the OP! Perhaps the one you hijacked the thread to?

The article I read was about a guy supporting Z in his lawsuit against Majestic for making them change the venue of the show when Z, a man who was the object of racial prejudice and pressure, and forced to stand a public trial in which he was exonerated for his actions and found not guilty, was found to be a participant at the show. There was a statement by Z that said he didn't want to be in the spotlight the press attention placed on him, but the article was about support of him in the lawsuit against Majestic.

So either you have no clue what you are talking about, or your desire was to hijack the thread and you were caught doing so.

So is it obsession or employment that drives your actions?

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Thu 03/20/14 12:26 PM



November 8, 2013, Girlfriend Samantha Schiebe calls 911 alleging George is trying to push her out the home and pointing a gun at her

poor Georgie claims his girlfriend was the aggressor


September 2013, Wife Shelly calls 911 alleging George has hit her dad and has a gun

poor Georgie claims his wife was the aggressor


July 2005, arrested for resisting an officer with violence

Georgie was acting to intervene with the questioning cops were giving his friend,,,but his aggressive reaction to their harassment of his friend was waived off and remedied with some alcohol program


August 2005, former fianc�e got a restraining order against George for domestic violence

poor Georgie claimed he was actually victimized by the Fiancee


Even a female COUSIN, before there was ever an arrest or national spotlight, BEFORE the headlines or trial , stated George was 'confrontational' and didn't like black people

but, I know, its very likely ALL these accounts from those close to him are fabricated lies, and NOT LIKELY at all that his version of 'victimhood' is just once again his goto excuse




Smartazzjohn's photo
Thu 03/20/14 12:29 PM



Is it the death of Martin he is profiting from or the attention he got in the media, from "civil right profiteers", politicians and even the president?

I would suggest he is profiting from the latter, without the attention he got nationally he would be an unknown and therefore not valuable in attracting people to attend any type of event.


This is worth repeating for those who find Zimmerman making money from his notoriety abhorrent.......it was caused by those who wanted him punished UNJUSTLTY for a crime he was found NOT GUILTY of committing. It's a case of cause and effect.

But it's becoming typical that the people who created the caused, those that supported and demanded his trial, WON'T take responsibility for the EFFECT, him profiting from his notoriety, of their actions which proved to be unwarranted by virtue of his acquittal in a court of law. It just feels better to put the blame on others rather than take responsibility for ones own actions when the desired results don't come to fruition.



does this rebuke also apply to those who sought ojs conviction for Nicole brown?

or those who sought Mansons conviction ?

o those who sought Bundys conviction?

I think all these people were able to gain notoriety and income from their ordeal too?


should people let things slide so there is no notoriety or profit for the accused, or should people instead be unwilling to contribute to the profit or notoriety instead?



There you go thinking again.laugh

Ever heard of the "SON OF SAM LAW"????

No it DOESN'T APPLY to Manson or Bundy....they WERE CONVICTED. Person financial gain from a crime that a person is CONVICTED of is illegal. For instance if Manson writes a book about his criminal activities he, personally, CAN'T profit from said book.


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