so if that one was so horrible ,and its days ago, and on another topic...why do you enjoy humiliating yourself here in this thread over me??


stop while you can..... it was just a misread...you don't need to cut your nose to spite your face

just for the record...... i think i used just a few words...


in that 9/11 thread

collateral damage.....look towards your leaders.....



well i have heard the sentiments from you Forge


something like NUKE THEM ALL..... so people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones???

not to mention...i was just calling it for what it was.....


rather than wishing it on a whole country as you have done so often.

<-----sneaks in

Are the americans still alive or did we kill them???

We won, didnt we???

Dont say no, or Ill start again!!!

<----------gets out the hammer and smashes one more!!!! lol

<-----gets out the killing shoe!!!!

Those Americans are hard to kill!!!

Yes, we are!!!

Ask the British!!

In another post, Fanta was characterized as a 'ZOMBIE', supported by most questionable rethoric from 'philosopher'.

I say THANK LIFE FOR ZOMBIES IF FANTA IS ONE!!! I hope they multiply real fast and outgrow the suffocating 'non-zombies' of the US!!!

'philosopher's' questionable rethoric went as follow as I understood it:

US citizens whom have no issue with engaging in war and blowing people up, when they consider that these people need to 'be managed', because they don't agree with US guidelines, like the current escalation with Iran for example, those US citizens, according to philosopher would be the good, clear thinking, and upholding citizens of the US.

On the other hand, the ones like Fanta, whom exercise their democratic right through healthy and objective 'auto-critique', and whom dare state that 'blowing them all up' is not the ethical course of action when another nation won't walk to the US tune, would be a ZOMBIE, again, following philosopher's rethoric.

SO AGAIN, BASED ON THAT DEFINITION OF ZOMBIES, THANK LIFE FOR FANTA, AND I SINCERELY HOPE I'M A ZOMBIE TOO!!!

Hurray for zombies!

You are officially walking alive into the Zombie brotherhood Voil!!

To the Zombies,,,YAYYYYYYyyyyyyyyy

I love this country.

If I didn't, I wouldn't
have served 4 years in
the military.

But I didn't vote for
this President!

Those who did should
hang their heads in
shame and beg forgiveness.

In January, 2009,
we will finally rid
ourselves of this
idiot.

I just hope we
don't get another
bushwacker to replace
him.

Down with bushwackers
everywhere!

Fanta,

You wrote:

"... You are officially walking alive into the Zombie brotherhood Voil!"

Thank you Sir!!!

I was afraid that I would never be worthy of such honor.

I will carry my title with pride, honor and dignity.

I will do every in my power to never denigrate or otherwise cause prejudice to the brotherhood,

and before exiting, I would like thank my parents,....

... without whom I would never have been granted this honor.

I will remember this day as the happiest of moments.


P.S.: any money associated with the prize???

... without whom I would never have been granted this honor.

I will remember this day as the happiest of moments.


P.S.: any money associated with the prize???

No money!!!!

That was a pretty good mischaracterization of my commentary Voil. And I'll make the point that when I make a comment in a thread and you respond with derogatory remarks in a different thread you are doing truth no service. My reference to Fanta as a zombie had to do with the fact that if faced with defending the country he would prefer to lick the boots of the attackers than fight. That's not exactly my opinion, but its not a long ways off. As your your part Voil, you are consistently using your own form of revisionist history to support your positions, so I can't give you a hell of a lot of credit in that regard. Fanta has stated that in his opinion Iran should pursue nuclear weapons, and that is the only way they are going to win the respect and authority in world affairs that they want. Well in my opinion that makes him the war monger here. In the present analysis, if Iran pursues nuclear weapons then western Europe and the United States will act together to attack Iran and prevent them acquiring the weapons. So if you want Iran to pursue nuclear weapons then you want the United States to go to war with Iran, and you are the worst kind of hypocrite.

Voil you referenced my comments in the following way, saying my comments ammounted to the following. "US citizens whom have no issue with engaging in war and blowing people up, when they consider that these people need to 'be managed', because they don't agree with US guidelines, like the current escalation with Iran for example, those US citizens, according to philosopher would be the good, clear thinking, and upholding citizens of the US. "

Well that was bull, nothing like what I said. First of all I do not support blowing people up. I do not have a lot of qualms about destroying weapons manufacturing facilities in Iran if they are producing weapons used to destroy or threaten our troops. As I have said I also consider an American soldier to be more valuable than an Iranian Ayatollah. Choose your own friends if you don't like my choice, apparently you don't. Blowing up innocents is not something I would support.

But let me point out here that if someone fills their rhetoric with the reverse logic employed by Fanta and the revisionist history used by Voil, then there is no reasoning with them.

Take for example Voil's contrasting comment evaluation of Fanta's remarks "On the other hand, the ones like Fanta, whom exercise their democratic right through healthy and objective 'auto-critique', and whom dare state that 'blowing them all up' is not the ethical course of action when another nation won't walk to the US tune...

This is completely false. Its ridiculous. Fanta's democratic right is exercised by supporting Iran's right to have nuclear weapons, and by screaming LIAR LIAR about Bush because he can't find any other positive discourse. Its insanity. You support that, I have no respect for you.

Obviously you two have agendas and I'm not interested in them. Leave me out of your discussions. Support the Ayatollah in your own way but leave me out of it.

Next time you want to say something to me or about me, answer the comments where posted, rather than squirelling off to a different thread and making untrue snippy posts. I'm absolutely inflamed that you go off somewhere in a corner and misrepresent my comments. The complete disregard for truth and fairness in discourse is the sort of thing I expect from far left wing idiots with no regard for reality and I am getting no less here.

I honestly did not read the entire thread because 1) it was so long and 2) a bunch of it was the usual in-fighting and I didn't feel like following along today....

But to address OldSage's original question. I wanted to respond:

Critisism does not necessarily reflect a lack of love from the critiquer. If I don't love someone or think that they could do better or deserve better then I may not say anything when I think that they are making the wrong choices, I may consider it none of my business, etc.

So for me, the reason I object to some actions that our country has taken it is not because I am "beating up" on my country. It is because I love my country and I know it/we can do better. And I love the values my country was founded upon, the things that my country has stood for throughout the world for a long time- primarily freedom and human rights... free speech and due process being to me the most basic foundations for everything that I love here.

When I see this foundation being deliberately eroded by the "Patriot Act" and homeland security, when I see my country involved in agressive, futile, and costly (in human life and money) warfare, when I see my country shamed beyond belief by the inhuman actions of it's countrymen at abu grab... when I see my beloved country going away from where I think it should be- then to speak up is not just my duty as a citizen of a democracy but it is an act of love.

Beating up on the United States of America? No to me pointing out flaws is striving for the best... My country has been, continues to be and will be in the future the best country on this planet... we must make sure it is... and when people make comparisons to other countrys and say things like, "why should we do such and such and such when other countrys can't be bothered to do the right thing"- to me this is like a petulant child saying, "why do I have to do the right thing, some of the other kids at school do the wrong thing". You do the right thing because you know it is right and you have pride and love and respect for yourself. A country should be the same and it should have leaders who lead it to be the best, not to live in fear.