lol Crystal, so we got a positive point at the
beginning which was nice and then 4 or so negative ones so all in all, its getting better, most injoyable.No I'm still sensitive, I'm in better
moods these day so I felt like getting rowdy..thats right, when I feel
good about myself a kick other people..lol I was mainly joking about the
post BUT I got married more for convenience and so she pushed the issue
..for four years so a payed,but I flat out refused to pay the 200 fee
to undo it. I signed the papers right away but she didn't file it.
Shortly after she moved state and complicated things.

I think my point was white dresses and rings and virginity all go together. know I can't even joke with out feeling
bad, way to go Crystal..you took my mojo lol

Wanting a guarantee, even a ring for that matter, is self defeating as in anything genuine there is potential loss and abandonment. Money, promises of commitment, undying devotion can all pale for a multiplicity of reasons leaving one vulnerable and hurt. If we cannot learn how to manage our emotions more effectively we are likely to become prisoners of fear and mistrust. Forgetting that in all love there is some sorrow, but the greater sorrow is not to love. Some find it difficult to ascertain ones role in any failed relationship and this greatly increases the liklihood of a similar mistake in the future....With great insight, better communication skills, a willingness to work through issues does one gain a chance at a successful relationship...

Don't blame technology..its a breakdown in our social system. People are following an ever increasing trend of lying, cheating , lack of morals, ethics and dignity are more accepted today. Nobody needs to be accountable for what they do. If we have a problem, its everyone elses fault, never our own. . Theres a name and reason for everything we do.. Nope, its not our own fault. We just need to visit the nearest psychologist..psychotherapist or the neighborhood Dr pill pusher

BTW, its not only women who lie on the cell about their whereabouts

Hahaha, you do make me laugh, and hooray! I could read the entire posting yet again :) Either your English is improving or mine is getting worse, or both, lol
So you're doing the same thing I did then: start positive and end negative?
Poor Pony,
Would it help if I tell you I really like your new piccie?

I don't hate the idea of marriage. I don't see myself remarrying. The last ones I had thought of marrying were an extra kind of special I doubt I'll see again for a long time.

this is quite true at least for second marriages in the US it is men who more often remarry, and I think to some degree it's because they get used having a "caretaker" in the home. not that that is necessarily a bad thing. I am simply speaking to the idea that men are not wanting to marry unless it's for sex. That sounds like an extreme religious or 3rd world culture type of position.

But it's not just a piece of paper. It is a contract with the state a third party and all the rights. Why do you think CPS can do what they do?

But what is wrong with just being committed? Back in the time of our founders, marriage was between a man and woman and their creator. The event was hallmarked by a ceremony before clergy and entered in the family bible.

But after the civil war, good ole New York invented the marriage license to twerp interracial unions. But then as most things coming out of the most unconstitutional state in the union, it became not only a revenue thing, but a superb method of controlling peoples lives.

Now you would be saying, I'll just get married in the eyes of god in my church, but you can't. Churches are but state corporations that would lose their tax free status if they didn't follow the mandates, except for the Amish, they don't recognize the state and perform marriages as per the old ways. Thank you Thomas Paine.

But the church can bless the union without a license, a common law ceremony.

By ring, are you referring to that piece of carbon that is one of the strongest cutting materials in nature. That piece of carbon that is controlled by cartels with an artificial value?

Then is it that what you are saying is that if you were not bought, then you can't hang around? Wouldn't that be an absolutely false value, either emotionally or financially?

No, not a casualty of modern life, just a casualty of modern definition. Not an archaic institution but a subverted modern institution that has failed, thanks big brother. And it is not the sanctity of marriage that is too pious, but the prospect of modern consequences that result from the marriage contract, a contract controlled by the state.

And what would be the issue with common law?

Nicely put. Also; if you had a good woman; she wouldn't expect an expensive ring as it's not the cost of the ring that shows you love her but the thought that you gave it to her. I remember a guy buying me a $70.00 ring for my birthday and I cherished it as it came from his heart; not his wallet. I don't believe in marriage or common law because of the financial implications in case of divorce/breakups.

Why would a BOY want to get married if he can talk his girlfriend into having sex with him without the two getting married first?

These days, plenty of GIRLS are willing to have babies with their boyfriends without getting married first.

If GIRLS are willing to have sex outside of marriage, then BOYS won't see marriage as being a necessity.

Perhaps learning what it takes to be a MAN and WOMAN would help.

Common law spouse laws are just like marriage. Here in Alberta; if you are together for 2 years; everything is divided just like you had been married.

Half of everything gained during the union is but fair, after all both halves of a union should be equal. However, what one brings to the union, one should exit with same, equally.

Well put. I have always supported myself and have never had any man put even one penny into helping me pay bills and I am quite capable of fixing things myself with a guy's help; so I am not dependent on a man for anything.

Just as it should be. A prudent person would settle their affairs amicably amongst themselves and not have to depend on the graces of others.

I believe you should leave a relationship the same way you entered it, with respect and concern for the other party. But that is not what happens, getting out of that contract requires lawyers that help to instill greed and controversy amongst the parties.

Common law does deal with marriage only when the parties cannot resolve issues amongst themselves. And it is not like the marriage contract, the state is not the third party. In common law, there is no judge but a magistrate and a tribunal.

As I see it, a disdain for marriage is a result of a disdain for any theistic faith that considers marriage to be a divine institution. People who are atheistic in their beliefs or in their habits will see marriage as having no value.

Me too. I don't think a disdain for marriage has anything to do with religion, some people just don't want to be married. Nothing wrong with that.

yes, marriage for many is about the 'civil' aspect,, how much easier it will make their lives financially and how many 'shared' privileges the government will enforce


for many its a love affair with the idea of a 'wedding' and the fairy tale idealism of it

many avoid marriage because they don't want to be 'forced' to share


many people find value in marriage that has little to do with faith or religion,,,,and many of those same types see risks as well