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Topic: are u infavor in same sex marriage ?
msharmony's photo
Wed 07/03/13 03:51 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 07/03/13 04:00 AM







civil union would take sex out of the equation altogether as strictly a personal choice,, yes

and any people wanting to join their lives and share certain benefits,, for WHATEVEVER reason would be permitted to have a civil union

and churches could decide who to 'marry', while courts could certify 'civil unions'

and people could have whatever ceremonies and getherings they could pay for in recognition

.. I have no issue with that at all,,,,

but I do think this is about accepting homosexual behavior, and not giving homosexuals rights,,,


Ah, so it's not just about gay people getting married. You only want religious people to be married. What I don't get is why it's such a big deal that people get married, rather than have a civil union? Why do you feel the need to tell others they shouldn't be allowed to marry?

It's certainly about giving/taking away rights. You don't have to accept their behavior or anyone else's behavior. But, you shouldn't be able to tell people they need to have a civil union instead of a marriage.





did I say only religious could get married?

and cant gay people be religious?

I know modern churches all over are starting to even hire gay priests and pastors,,,,

whats the problem with them marrying gay couples if it fits their doctrine?

what I don't get is why its so important to be 'married' if its about rights

why cant a 'civil union' be used for that purpose?

why should only people who want to have sex be able to get 'married' or join lives? probably because the culture doesn't want to start advocating for incestuous relationships and other alternate CHOICES people make in their sex lives

BUT what if people just want to join life and sex has nothing to do with it, or why does it matter at all what the sexual relationship is?

why shouldn't we have a CIVIL UNION for everyone who feels they are being left out of all the rights 'married' people get?

,,,,,in my opinion, the answer is because it IS ABOUT THE SEXUAL BEHAVIOR being pushed and forced onto society,,,,


they want the government to say, whomever you have sex with doesn't matter to us,, as long as you are 'committed' to each other,,,

but why not take it further and say 'whether you have sex' doesn't matter, as long as you are committed to sharing your life?

,,,in my opinion, because that doesn't FORCE THE CULTURE to place homosexual sex on equal footing with heterosexual SEX,,


its more about pushing the sexual choice than it is really about gaining 'rights'


You are so obsessed with other peoples' sex lives! Why not tone that down a bit and just worry about your own sex life? It's not up to you to decide how other people have sex. And by "homosexual sex" I'm guessing you mean anal sex. Straight people have anal sex, too. No one is going to force you to have anal sex, but you don't get to decide if others can or not.



yep, and its not governments place to approve of or disapprove of those behaviors,, so why make that behavior an issue at all in unions?

why is it so controversial an idea that EVERY Adult should be able to 'pursue happiness' with whomever they wish , regardless of the presence of a sexual relationship or the nature of it?

are you suggesting a mother and daughter , or father and son, or cousins or roommates shouldnt be able to be 'married' for those privileges that come with sharing a life?

or should we keep it only in line with 'sexual lifestyles' and those who participate in them?


why not take sex out of the equation,, call it a civil union to reflect that its about 'civil rights' ,, and peoples right to 'pursue happiness',.,.,. and call it a day?


When you're talking about family getting married, that's a whole other issue than what we've previously been talking about. I don't see how it compares at all.



I don't expect you to, but its perfectly in line with the 'pursuit if happiness' argument,,,,and 'no ones business' argument

and the

'have sex with who you want to as long as you take precautions to guard against the risk' argument too

FYI. MSM are 10 times as likely to have undiagnosed hiv infection than non msm . similarly children of sibling parents are about 10 times as likely (30 percent chance) to be born with a defect than non related parents (3 percent chance)

but, everyone has the capacity to be 'safe' in their behaviors,, so there is really no difference when we consider that factor ,,whats good for one is good for the other and plenty of people have wonderful children born with defects,, so that's probably no ones business either,,,



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Wed 07/03/13 08:43 AM
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Wed 07/03/13 09:06 AM
Edited by KiK2me on Wed 07/03/13 09:07 AM


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Wed 07/03/13 09:10 AM
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Wed 07/03/13 09:33 AM
Edited by ridewytepony on Wed 07/03/13 09:37 AM

?stop these conversation yes we have own opinion but at the end of the day only god cn decide a siner or a sine

Yhulla here im lady as long a dont do bad thngs go go go we just a giver


Lady! Isn't that just an acronym for: lame as* d**k yanker?noway :wink:

Forgive others for their sins against you & your sins will be forgiven:angel:

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Wed 07/03/13 09:36 AM


?stop these conversation yes we have own opinion but at the end of the day only god cn decide a siner or a sine

Yhulla here im lady as long a dont do bad thngs go go go we just a giver


Lady! Isn't that just an acronym for: laim as* d**k yanker?noway :wink:

Forgive others for their sins against you & your sins will be forgiven:angel:

Go tell ur dirty poems and leave this poor girl alone!

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Wed 07/03/13 09:44 AM


are u infavor in same sex marriage ?


Absofreakinglutely.
Their option, their choice.
And if I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it.
Simple.

It is like abortion.
You don't have to believe in it to give
people their equal rights.

I Completely disagree with your logic, Abortion is not only stopping life but its PREVENTING life. Same sex marriage is a choice to be happy or not with another person while abortion is a choice to destroy a living being. Those are 2 completely different scenarios.

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Wed 07/03/13 09:54 AM



are u infavor in same sex marriage ?


Absofreakinglutely.
Their option, their choice.
And if I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it.
Simple.

It is like abortion.
You don't have to believe in it to give
people their equal rights.

I Completely disagree with your logic, Abortion is not only stopping life but its PREVENTING life. Same sex marriage is a choice to be happy or not with another person while abortion is a choice to destroy a living being. Those are 2 completely different scenarios.



marriage is not about a choice to be happy 'with' someone , its about the desire for government to validate and subsidize the relationship

if 'marriage' is what makes the relationship a happy one,,, there are other issues going on,,,

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Wed 07/03/13 09:55 AM



?stop these conversation yes we have own opinion but at the end of the day only god cn decide a siner or a sine

Yhulla here im lady as long a dont do bad thngs go go go we just a giver


Lady! Isn't that just an acronym for: laim as* d**k yanker?noway :wink:

Forgive others for their sins against you & your sins will be forgiven:angel:

Go tell ur dirty poems and leave this poor girl alone!


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Lol , ok! I can take an order to you know,

I do have some dirty poems I wrote when they put me in time out, I will start a new thread in joke sec.
think i'll call it cat in the hat poetry 101 and keep it on going....i'll add all the ones a wrote to date here
plus some other cool one's.....so pull out your pad n pencil if you guy like, and lets have a laugh
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Person I can posibly be today!:wink:

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Wed 07/03/13 09:56 AM



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Wed 07/03/13 10:03 AM




are u infavor in same sex marriage ?


Absofreakinglutely.
Their option, their choice.
And if I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it.
Simple.

It is like abortion.
You don't have to believe in it to give
people their equal rights.

I Completely disagree with your logic, Abortion is not only stopping life but its PREVENTING life. Same sex marriage is a choice to be happy or not with another person while abortion is a choice to destroy a living being. Those are 2 completely different scenarios.



marriage is not about a choice to be happy 'with' someone , its about the desire for government to validate and subsidize the relationship

if 'marriage' is what makes the relationship a happy one,,, there are other issues going on,,,


Yes, marriage is a choice people make when they want to move forward with their relationship. And yes, it makes many people happy.

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Wed 07/03/13 10:06 AM
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Wed 07/03/13 10:08 AM





are u infavor in same sex marriage ?


Absofreakinglutely.
Their option, their choice.
And if I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it.
Simple.

It is like abortion.
You don't have to believe in it to give
people their equal rights.

I Completely disagree with your logic, Abortion is not only stopping life but its PREVENTING life. Same sex marriage is a choice to be happy or not with another person while abortion is a choice to destroy a living being. Those are 2 completely different scenarios.



marriage is not about a choice to be happy 'with' someone , its about the desire for government to validate and subsidize the relationship

if 'marriage' is what makes the relationship a happy one,,, there are other issues going on,,,


Yes, marriage is a choice people make when they want to move forward with their relationship. And yes, it makes many people happy.


What msharmony is saying (and I agree) is that a formal marriage does nothing but bestow government benefits granted to people who are formally married. How two people relate to each other is something that the government can't control or change.

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Wed 07/03/13 10:10 AM






are u infavor in same sex marriage ?


Absofreakinglutely.
Their option, their choice.
And if I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it.
Simple.

It is like abortion.
You don't have to believe in it to give
people their equal rights.

I Completely disagree with your logic, Abortion is not only stopping life but its PREVENTING life. Same sex marriage is a choice to be happy or not with another person while abortion is a choice to destroy a living being. Those are 2 completely different scenarios.



marriage is not about a choice to be happy 'with' someone , its about the desire for government to validate and subsidize the relationship

if 'marriage' is what makes the relationship a happy one,,, there are other issues going on,,,


Yes, marriage is a choice people make when they want to move forward with their relationship. And yes, it makes many people happy.


What msharmony is saying (and I agree) is that a formal marriage does nothing but bestow government benefits granted to people who are formally married. How two people relate to each other is something that the government can't control or change.


Then I don't see why it's a big deal to be so against same sex marriage.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/03/13 10:10 AM





are u infavor in same sex marriage ?


Absofreakinglutely.
Their option, their choice.
And if I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it.
Simple.

It is like abortion.
You don't have to believe in it to give
people their equal rights.

I Completely disagree with your logic, Abortion is not only stopping life but its PREVENTING life. Same sex marriage is a choice to be happy or not with another person while abortion is a choice to destroy a living being. Those are 2 completely different scenarios.



marriage is not about a choice to be happy 'with' someone , its about the desire for government to validate and subsidize the relationship

if 'marriage' is what makes the relationship a happy one,,, there are other issues going on,,,


Yes, marriage is a choice people make when they want to move forward with their relationship. And yes, it makes many people happy.


that's sad then

the relationship should be a happy one whether it has a legal document attached to it or not,,,,if it takes that to be happy,, I don't know what to say,,,

the relationship moves 'forward' only in the sense of legal liability to each other,, and why should only intimate partners have that 'right'


civil unions would work swell to ensure every American had a right to 'pursue happiness', regardless of their sexual or non sexual relationship to each other,,,

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Wed 07/03/13 10:14 AM
that's sad then

the relationship should be a happy one whether it has a legal document attached to it or not,,,,if it takes that to be happy,, I don't know what to say,,,

the relationship moves 'forward' only in the sense of legal liability to each other,, and why should only intimate partners have that 'right'


civil unions would work swell to ensure every American had a right to 'pursue happiness', regardless of their sexual or non sexual relationship to each other,,,


I'm not saying it makes people happy who were previously unhappy. But, generally, marriages are a happy thing. So no, I don't see what's sad about that at all. If you were unhappy in a marriage, it doesn't mean others will be as well.


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Wed 07/03/13 10:17 AM
At this time we feel this Topic has ran it's course.. We all have our own opinion on if same sex marriage should be allowed or not. There is no one no matter how much one wants to argue about it will change another individuals thoughts.

The world has changed in the last 200 years. Many laws have been changed and they are not based on Religion as many use to be..

In the end those that believe it is against their Religion will remain that way. Those that believe in Religion but believe their God is a loving God will still believe the way they want too... As well as those that do not believe in God they will either think it is morally right or unmoral...

Either way we need to look at the World as it is today and not worry what others choose to do with their lives as long as it does not effect another...

With that said this thread is being locked. Do not carry this issue over into other threads..



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