Topic: are u infavor in same sex marriage ?
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Mon 07/01/13 11:09 AM
Anyone believing they can decide personal things for people are a largely naive people.

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Mon 07/01/13 11:11 AM

Lots of homosexuals have children. I imagine the abandonment of children in homosexual couples is less than that of hetero's. What do you think?


I concur.. I know several 'same sex' couples that are, by far and large, better parents than some hetro one's I know..

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Mon 07/01/13 11:13 AM

Anyone believing they can decide personal things for people are a largely naive people.


I agree with this too.. NO one has control over OTHER peoples decisions OR choices.. LIVE.. and LET Live

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Mon 07/01/13 11:14 AM



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nope and my reason for that is,we were given reproductive organs for a reason. a guy/guy or girl/girl can not reproduce (well without going to a clinic),so you take that away and what's the purpose of being made to reproduce?


What about straight couples who cannot reproduce? Or couples who don't want to reproduce? Should they not be allowed to marry?


if something has caused a man/woman to no longer be able to reproduce,i can understand that but i do have a problem with men/women that purposely have their tubes tied just so they can no longer reproduce.

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Mon 07/01/13 11:16 AM



As a Christian, I do not condone anything that conflicts with the clear teachings of the New Testament. If that puts me in the minority here, then so be it.



personally,i go by the old testament.not the new


I would think that a christian would be more interested in Christs teachings rather than Pauls. Christ never made any negative comments that Im aware of. If he did, I'd love to be enlightened so I can fully turn away from christianity.


ummm Paul's writings were in the new testament spock

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Mon 07/01/13 11:16 AM







For people against gays-You don't have to be around gay people, so if you choose to be, your problem. Yet are you against bi people too?


drinkerflowerforyou flowers drinks

I have some gay friends..and have dated a bi-guy.
people just need to get a grip..Life is to short
to be so judgementalflowerforyou JMO

but then opinions are like aZShOles everybody has onehappy


I so agree :) I just have this hunch about people trying to control the rest of society. I felt relieved for gay people when gay marriage was finally accepted. flowers


If we were trying to 'control' others we would be advocating for making homosexual relationships illegal

this is not about that

its about not wanting the lifestyle choice PUSHED on society via forced government sanctioning of that choice,,,


Then why should we PUSH heterosexuality govt sanctions on THAT lifestyle choice.


because it benefits the potential byproduct of such unions,, the CHILDREN and future citizens,, to have parents who are committed to their family,,,,
Lots of homosexuals have children. I imagine the abandonment of children in homosexual couples is less than that of hetero's. What do you think?



I think if they have biological children , they must not be EXCLUSIVELY homosexual

they can choose to lay down enough to make a child, they could also CHOOSE to marry someone of the opposite sex,,same OPPORTUNITY is there

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Mon 07/01/13 11:19 AM
I'm for people doing what they want, and loving who they want.

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Mon 07/01/13 11:19 AM
Edited by ViaMusica on Mon 07/01/13 11:34 AM
The right for two adult human beings in love to marry in a civilly-recognized fashion cannot be made dependent upon their gender in a free society, any more than it can be made dependent upon their race, childbearing ability, income, creed or eye color. Human beings are either free and entitled to equal rights, or we must admit to preferring a caste system under which some are citizens of the first class, while others are relegated to the second, third or some even lower class.

I prefer freedom and equality over classism and caste divisions. Human rights are not subject to the whim of a majority vote. In the US, we've already covered that ground with emancipation, the civil rights movement, interracial marriage (see: Loving vs. Virginia) and the First Amendment itself.

There will likely always be religions which restrict who can marry whom within the traditions of their faith... and that is perfectly acceptable because this is a religiously pluralistic nation (again, see the First Amendment). Civil law does not affect religious marriage restrictions within the bounds of a given religion.

If the state has a vested interest in regulating marital unions for the purposes of shared property, hospital visitation and healthcare decisions, parental responsibilities, differential tax rates or other aspects of a marital or family unit, then it is plain that this interest applies regardless of the gender of those who are so united.

Not all heterosexual couples bear or adopt children, while some homosexual couples ARE parents (whether by adoption or by one or both partners producing a child), so clearly a couple's existing or potential parental status is not at issue here. After all, we do not restrict marriage only to those who are or are intending to become parents, nor even to those who are capable of reproducing. It is entirely legal for a man who has undergone a vasectomy or a woman who has had a hysterectomy to subsequently marry.

Here in the US, our culture predicates marriage upon a loving relationship; we do not generally condone marrying for the sake of money or other material gain, nor do we encourage the practice of strategic but impersonal marriages to produce alliances between powerful or wealthy families as was common among the aristocracy of Europe and elsewhere in centuries past. (Indeed, the bulk of the US population is not in a position where such marriages would even be a factor.) While we do often quietly encourage those who have produced a pregnancy out of wedlock to marry, we do not require it and we do not expect it of couples who know themselves to be incompatible for the long term.

So, what's left? Love. It has already been demonstrated that love is not exclusive to heterosexual couples, because homosexual couples also fall in love. With that in mind, we rightly place as few restrictions as possible upon the state of civil marriage, considering only the age of the couple (majority or age of consent to marry), whether or not either is currently married to another partner, competency to enter into a contractual agreement, and to some extent consanguinity.

An equal application of these considerations without restriction of gender is the only way to involve the state (by which I mean civil government at any level) in marriage without deliberately or inadvertently making an underclass of those who happen to love someone of the same rather than the opposite gender.

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Mon 07/01/13 11:20 AM
MA bad slaphead I thought this topic was under DATING & RELATIONSHIPS.. not RELIGION!

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Mon 07/01/13 11:23 AM




I think if they have biological children , they must not be EXCLUSIVELY homosexual

they can choose to lay down enough to make a child, they could also CHOOSE to marry someone of the opposite sex,,same OPPORTUNITY is there
MsH. Youre a smart lady. Lets not pretend you are really clueless to science and adoption.


lets not pretend I didn't specifically say
'biological children'

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Mon 07/01/13 11:24 AM

The right for two adult human beings in love to marry in a civilly-recognized fashion cannot be made dependent upon their gender in a free society, any more than it can be made dependent upon their race, childbearing ability, income, creed or eye color. Human beings are either free and entitled to equal rights, or we must admit to preferring a caste system under which some are citizens of the first class, while others are relegated to the second, third or some even lower class.

I prefer freedom and equality over classism and caste divisions. Human rights are not subject to the whim of a majority vote. In the US, we've already covered that ground with emancipation, the civil rights movement, interracial marriage (see: Loving vs. Virginia) and the First Amendment itself.

There will likely always be religions which restrict who can marry whom within the traditions of their faith... and that is perfectly acceptable because this is a religiously pluralistic nation (again, see the First Amendment). Civil law does not affect religious marriage restrictions within the bounds of a given religion.

If the state has a vested interest in regulating marital unions for the purposes of shared property, hospital visitation and healthcare decisions, parental responsibilities, differential tax rates or other aspects of a marital or family unit, then it is plain that this interest applies regardless of the gender of those who are so united.

Not all heterosexual couples bear or adopt children, while some homosexual couples ARE parents (whether by adoption or by one or both partners producing a child), so clearly a couple's existing or potential parental status is not at issue here. After all, we do not restrict marriage only to those who are or are intending to become parents, nor even to those who are capable of reproducing. It is entirely legal for a man who has undergone a vasectomy or a woman who has had a hysterectomy to subsequently marry.

Here in the US, our culture predicates marriage upon a loving relationship; we do not generally condone marrying for the sake of money or other material gain, nor do we encourage the practice of strategic but impersonal marriages to produce alliances between powerful or wealthy families as was common among the aristocracy of Europe and elsewhere in centuries past. (Indeed, the bulk of the US population is not in a position where such marriages would even be a factor.) While we do often quietly encourage those who have produced a pregnancy out of wedlock to marry, we do not require it and we do not expect it of couples who know themselves to be incompatible for the long term.

So, what's left? Love. It has already been demonstrated that love is not exclusive to heterosexual couples, because homosexual couples also fall in love. With that in mind, we rightly place as few restrictions as possible upon the state of civil marriage, considering only the age of the couple (majority or age of consent to marry), whether or not either is currently married to another partner, competency to enter into a contractual agreement, and to some extent consanguinity.

An equal application of these considerations without restriction of gender is the only way to involve the state (by which I mean civil government at any level) in marriage laws without deliberately or inadvertently making an underclass of those who happen to love someone of the same rather than the opposite gender.


VERY well put.. :thumbsup:

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Mon 07/01/13 11:25 AM





I think if they have biological children , they must not be EXCLUSIVELY homosexual

they can choose to lay down enough to make a child, they could also CHOOSE to marry someone of the opposite sex,,same OPPORTUNITY is there
MsH. Youre a smart lady. Lets not pretend you are really clueless to science and adoption.


lets not pretend I didn't specifically say
'biological children'

Let's not pretend that biological children can't be conceived in a multiple ways.

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Mon 07/01/13 11:26 AM






I think if they have biological children , they must not be EXCLUSIVELY homosexual

they can choose to lay down enough to make a child, they could also CHOOSE to marry someone of the opposite sex,,same OPPORTUNITY is there
MsH. Youre a smart lady. Lets not pretend you are really clueless to science and adoption.


lets not pretend I didn't specifically say
'biological children'

Let's not pretend that biological children can't be conceived in a multiple ways.



lol

yes, that's what normally happens

Im not going to keep referring to the exceptions


yes, its possible that people have biological children without laying down with the opposite sex

my statement does logically not include those people



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Mon 07/01/13 11:27 AM




Answer



nope and my reason for that is,we were given reproductive organs for a reason. a guy/guy or girl/girl can not reproduce (well without going to a clinic),so you take that away and what's the purpose of being made to reproduce?


What about straight couples who cannot reproduce? Or couples who don't want to reproduce? Should they not be allowed to marry?


if something has caused a man/woman to no longer be able to reproduce,i can understand that but i do have a problem with men/women that purposely have their tubes tied just so they can no longer reproduce.


So, you have a problem with same sex marriage because they cannot reproduce, but you don't have a problem with straight marriages where the couple cannot reproduce?

And are you against birth control, too?

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Mon 07/01/13 11:29 AM






I think if they have biological children , they must not be EXCLUSIVELY homosexual

they can choose to lay down enough to make a child, they could also CHOOSE to marry someone of the opposite sex,,same OPPORTUNITY is there
MsH. Youre a smart lady. Lets not pretend you are really clueless to science and adoption.


lets not pretend I didn't specifically say
'biological children'
you can have surrogacy for a biological child. so I guess you dont know about the science?


Or in vitro fertilization.

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Mon 07/01/13 11:30 AM

VERY well put.. :thumbsup:

Thank you. flowerforyou

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Mon 07/01/13 11:35 AM
as long as people have the right to make their own choices.. there will ALWAYS be controversy from those wanting to control it, and take those rights away.. sadly.. they're the ones that scream the loudest when someone tries doin it to them.. ohwell

2kids said it best.. opinions are like azzholes.. everyone has one

peace 'n love people.. there's enough war 'n strife in the world to go around already..

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Mon 07/01/13 11:36 AM





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nope and my reason for that is,we were given reproductive organs for a reason. a guy/guy or girl/girl can not reproduce (well without going to a clinic),so you take that away and what's the purpose of being made to reproduce?


What about straight couples who cannot reproduce? Or couples who don't want to reproduce? Should they not be allowed to marry?


if something has caused a man/woman to no longer be able to reproduce,i can understand that but i do have a problem with men/women that purposely have their tubes tied just so they can no longer reproduce.


So, you have a problem with same sex marriage because they cannot reproduce, but you don't have a problem with straight marriages where the couple cannot reproduce?

And are you against birth control, too?


if the couple has purposely had surgery so they can't reproduce,yes i have a problem with it

and yes i have problem with birth control

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Mon 07/01/13 11:37 AM

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Mon 07/01/13 11:38 AM

MA bad slaphead I thought this topic was under DATING & RELATIONSHIPS.. not RELIGION!


And I thought that people here were free to answer the question in the thread's title any way that they wanted.