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I am starting this thread in the "Christian Singles" forum so that members who claim to be Christians can discuss a controversial topic without non-Christians interfering. It does no good to quote the Bible to people who don't believe the Bible anyway.
To start, notice that the title of this thread is a question, one that I want Christians only to answer in this thread. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Since I am the creator of this thread, I will get the discussion started. Nowhere in the Bible do I see it said that the mere possession of homosexual feelings is the unpardonable sin. Indeed, a person who has homosexual feelings does not necessarily choose to have them. Nowhere in the Bible do I see it said that a person with homosexual feelings cannot receive the free gift of eternal life offered through faith in Messiah Jesus. Here is what the Apostle Paul says in Romans 10:9-13 (NIV) If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” In short, a person who has homosexual feelings does not have to stop having those feelings in order to be born again, in order to be a Christian. Granted, the Apostle Paul describes sexual activity between two people of the same gender as being sinful (to put it mildly). However, there is a difference between behavior and feelings. A person can feel the desire to do something that is sinful and still refrain from doing it. If Christians with heterosexual feelings can make the mistake of engaging in sexual sin and then have their sin forgiven after they repent, then Christians with homosexual feelings can receive forgiveness for any sexual sin on their part if they repent. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Now, what say you? |
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Homosexual relations are a Sin. Jesus forgives all sins, if we repent and confess our sins. Jesus paid our sin debt in full, when he died on the Cross.
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. (I Corinthians 6:9) In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of yur body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instrucments of righteousness. For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (Romans 6:11-14) NIV Expel the Immoral Brother! What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from amoung you.: ( I Cor. 5:12) NIV |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Fri 06/28/13 05:06 PM
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Concerning Sexual Immorality
Everything is permissible for me"---but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me--but I will not be mastered by anything. (I Corinthians 6:12) NIV Note: We do not have to obey our feelings. |
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I Agree. But wasnt it Jesus who said many will say they know him but he does not know them?
I wonder what makes that difference, it seems just DECLARING it with our mouth is not enough,, if we are not concerned with the word and following it just like we can be told by someone they love us,, but their actions will speak louder than their words,,,certainly someone beating us everyday can say the same words as someone who cherishes us,, but who truly loves us? although I dont believe our actions 'earn' entrance to heaven, I do think loving the Lord and seeking divine guidance and respecting moral laws are all part of the 'actions' that naturally occur when we truly love the Lord to sin is human, but to be defined by our sin, to embrace sin and be defiant against salvation (accepting the lords word and guidance),,,is quite another we cannot receive salvation without being genuine in heart about repenting from sin so, we have very limited control over our feelings, but much more control over our actions, and i do believe a christian has to learn to manage that place in between , when a feeling turns into an action,,, |
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I think it can be summed up in one word; "Whosoever".
 John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/John-3-16.html#ixzz2XZARRz5y |
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Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Homosexuality is wrong even in feeling just like hateing somebody is murder. At least women are the most beautiful creatures and so we have an excuse. Don't believe that rubbish about being born gay or that it's not a chioce. It's a choice. Some people find eating poo a turn on but we don't see people packing in their lunch box with a knife and fork. Men are not really attracted to men, it's just that having bum sex is gratifying and so they are attracted to the feeling and men are much easier to score with then women. Lesbian women are afraid of men and trust women. At the end of the day it's a choice. It is up to the indavidual to refuse the choice like Eve could have with the forbidden friut. We all have to struggle with sin. We all have to identify sin in us, understand that it is wrong. That's the first step. Wanting to have sex with a man is a form of perversion just like wanting to eat poo. People can have sick ways of turning themselves on. We all can. We all struggle with sexual sin and many struggle with sexual perversion. It is all part of having a physical body that is dead spiritually. It takes time to grow spiritually. It's not that anyone is born gay but that we are all born spiritually dead. That is why Jesus said that we must be born again and goes on to explain that believeing in him is the beginning of our birth and growing in him is our new life. Are you born again? Are you growing in him? |
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Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Homosexuality is wrong even in feeling just like hateing somebody is murder. At least women are the most beautiful creatures and so we have an excuse. Don't believe that rubbish about being born gay or that it's not a chioce. It's a choice. Some people find eating poo a turn on but we don't see people packing in their lunch box with a knife and fork. Men are not really attracted to men, it's just that having bum sex is gratifying and so they are attracted to the feeling and men are much easier to score with then women. Lesbian women are afraid of men and trust women. At the end of the day it's a choice. It is up to the indavidual to refuse the choice like Eve could have with the forbidden friut. We all have to struggle with sin. We all have to identify sin in us, understand that it is wrong. That's the first step. Wanting to have sex with a man is a form of perversion just like wanting to eat poo. People can have sick ways of turning themselves on. We all can. We all struggle with sexual sin and many struggle with sexual perversion. It is all part of having a physical body that is dead spiritually. It takes time to grow spiritually. It's not that anyone is born gay but that we are all born spiritually dead. That is why Jesus said that we must be born again and goes on to explain that believeing in him is the beginning of our birth and growing in him is our new life. Are you born again? Are you growing in him? So, if a man sees a woman and thinks to himself, "She is sexually attractive," has he lusted after her? I think not. |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Sat 06/29/13 04:45 PM
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"But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Matthew 5:28 In the Book of Matthew, Jesus is letting us know that it is not just the act itself but the it is the mindset. He also mentions killing and compares it with the mindset of hatred. "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. |
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He also mentions killing and compares it with the mindset of hatred. "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Correction: Jesus mentions murder, not killing in general. NIV - "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’" NKJV - "You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’" ESV - "You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’" NASB - "You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’" NRSV - "You have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, ‘You shall not murder’; and ‘whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.’" |
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He also mentions killing and compares it with the mindset of hatred. "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Correction: Jesus mentions murder, not killing in general. NIV - "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’" NKJV - "You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’" ESV - "You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’" NASB - "You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’" NRSV - "You have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, ‘You shall not murder’; and ‘whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.’" Let's not debate the versions of the Bible. Most will understand what the Lord is meaning here. |
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Let's not debate the versions of the Bible. Most will understand what the Lord is meaning here. Sure they will, if they are using a version that accurately translates what is said in the Greek manuscripts. The English word "kill" simply isn't an accurate translation of what Jesus said, because the word has too broad a meaning. |
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Broad meanings are only applicable when convenient for you, I see.
My part in this "discussion" is over. 
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So, if a man sees a woman and thinks to himself, "She is sexually attractive," has he lusted after her? I think not. Well he uses the word adultery so it may refer to a married women that one lusts after, or a married man lusting after another woman. Sure I have seen very attractive married women and admired their physical endowment without ever considering the possibility of sex. I have flurted with married women out of pure instinct. I am thankful that Jesus makes it clear how wrong it is so that I can come to him and admit my weaknesses which he is also able to understand. Jesus as Gods son had to impart Gods will but Jesus as a man can also sympathise with our weaknesses, making him the best way to God. Jesus convicts, condemns and pardons for only he can 
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Broad meanings are only applicable when convenient for you, I see. My part in this "discussion" is over. In other words, you don't have a good counter argument. Oh well.
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Sat 06/29/13 08:39 PM
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So, if a man sees a woman and thinks to himself, "She is sexually attractive," has he lusted after her? I think not. Well he uses the word adultery so it may refer to a married women that one lusts after, or a married man lusting after another woman. Sure I have seen very attractive married women and admired their physical endowment without ever considering the possibility of sex. I have flurted with married women out of pure instinct. I am thankful that Jesus makes it clear how wrong it is so that I can come to him and admit my weaknesses which he is also able to understand. Jesus as Gods son had to impart Gods will but Jesus as a man can also sympathise with our weaknesses, making him the best way to God. Jesus convicts, condemns and pardons for only he can I really like Your response here. It is refreshing to see a "Christian" man to be open and honest. I believe God wants Us all to be that way, because God knows our inner thoughts anyway, even when we do not confess them. I am not trying to flirt.  I am talking to a Man and he is not open, and I feel he is hiding something in all the time we have been talking. I have respect for a man that is open an honest. So far, I have met inperson only one, I think was in years. |
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Well we have to be honest with ourselves.
Jesus needs to identify sin before he can help us. I am a man and am sexually attracted to women. That's normal but I have to know where to draw the line, and do the right thing. I would not consider two single christians flirting as a sin. Jesus I think is talking about adultery. Homosexuality is a sin just like adultery so just looking at a man and having sexual thoughts is a sin. It's desire and what you desire. Sexual desire can be very strong, and is not something that we can just turn off. The Bible shows us what sin is so we can understand the difference. We live our whole lives in the flesh until knowing who Christ is and why we need him. Paul says that the flesh battles with the spirit and perfection takes time. Our perfect standing in Christ is immediate if we recognize our sin and are forgiven in Christ, recognizing that Christ was punishes for all our sins like it says in Isaiah 53. Sex itself was created by God, and was ment ti be shared with one man and one woman. Which is a beautiful thing but fallen man, being only in the flesh has perverted it by seeking sexual gratification in many other ways then the way God commanded. What did Jesus say, anyone without sin cast the first stone. Sex is a beautiful thing if used as God intended and contrary to atheistic propaganda, the world would be much better and everyone much happier but they have already ruined any chance for that, yet blame God by not allowing them to have a perfect world, by their disobedience. |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Sun 06/30/13 03:16 PM
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I am starting this thread in the "Christian Singles" forum so that members who claim to be Christians can discuss a controversial topic without non-Christians interfering. It does no good to quote the Bible to people who don't believe the Bible anyway. To start, notice that the title of this thread is a question, one that I want Christians only to answer in this thread. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Since I am the creator of this thread, I will get the discussion started. Nowhere in the Bible do I see it said that the mere possession of homosexual feelings is the unpardonable sin. Indeed, a person who has homosexual feelings does not necessarily choose to have them. Nowhere in the Bible do I see it said that a person with homosexual feelings cannot receive the free gift of eternal life offered through faith in Messiah Jesus. Here is what the Apostle Paul says in Romans 10:9-13 (NIV) If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” In short, a person who has homosexual feelings does not have to stop having those feelings in order to be born again, in order to be a Christian. Granted, the Apostle Paul describes sexual activity between two people of the same gender as being sinful (to put it mildly). However, there is a difference between behavior and feelings. A person can feel the desire to do something that is sinful and still refrain from doing it. If Christians with heterosexual feelings can make the mistake of engaging in sexual sin and then have their sin forgiven after they repent, then Christians with homosexual feelings can receive forgiveness for any sexual sin on their part if they repent. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Now, what say you? Our Pastor touched on this Topic, in the Morning service today. Homosexuality is a Sin. Since the Law has changed many Preachers are having to teach on this topic to let people know, God is not pleased with same sex marriage. |
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I am going to quote a couple of passages from my commentary "Homosexuality and the Church".
If a person has not received the free gift of eternal life offered by God, then it does not matter who that person feels sexually attracted to. The job of the Church, then, is to share with people how they can have a life that is abundant and eternal. What I have seen happening in the USA and online is that well-meaning Christians have been putting the cart before the horse. They have been trying to get spiritual fruit from the spiritually dead. Well, that is not going to happen. It is not the job of the universal Church to govern the behavior of spiritually-dead people. It is the Church's job to present the Gospel message about the way to eternal life. Dealing with the issue of homosexuality is much like walking through a minefield. We have to be careful, lest someone gets hurt. We do not want to make the mistake of breaking a bruised reed or quenching a smoldering wick. We need to be firm, but we also need to be gentle. The issue of homosexuality is perhaps the most difficult issue for the universal Church to deal with because it pertains to one of the most basic of human desires. Yet, the Church cannot push the issue aside; nor can the Church simply tell homosexuals whatever will tickle their ears. The Church needs to remember what the Apostle Paul says in Ephesians 6:12 (ESV): “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” Satan has been using the issue of homosexuality to create a division in the Church. We Christians can use the full armor of God to fight back, but we must remember that neither homosexuals nor heterosexuals are the enemy. Our enemy is Satan. |
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I see similarities in the style of the serpent when he first tempted eve to disobey God
(why cant you also eat that tree? its not fair..what harm can it do? God just doesn't want you to be a God, God just doesn't want you to be happy ,,,why would he put it there if you weren't to have any,,etc,,) its the same enticement he uses today on the world,,,, |
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I see similarities in the style of the serpent when he first tempted eve to disobey God (why cant you also eat that tree? its not fair..what harm can it do? God just doesn't want you to be a God, God just doesn't want you to be happy ,,,why would he put it there if you weren't to have any,,etc,,) its the same enticement he uses today on the world,,,, We can say the same thing about any behavior that isn't pleasing to God. A person can be straight sexually-speaking and still be living a godless life. So, why single out homosexuals for criticism? Sadly, it isn't exclusively non-Christians that Satan is whispering to. It is becoming too common for professed Christians to try to serve two masters when it comes to the topic of sexual behavior. For example, on another website, I encountered a lesbian who claims to be a devout Christian, and yet, she insists that God has blessed her sexual relationship with another woman. |
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