Topic: Anti-Gay Marriage Activists say
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Mon 07/01/13 10:29 AM





any examples of the said 'case history' which proves it doesn't hurt anyone?


Can you show instances where same sex marriage is harming people?


since when is it not harmful to go against nature?


Homosexuality is actually in nature.
Doesn't matter whether you agree with it or deny it.
It's still there.

whoa



so is cannabilism,, never been sure how that's a rational response to the discussion of HUMAN homosexual behaviors...


You are the queen of bringing up things that have nothing to do with homosexuality. laugh

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Mon 07/01/13 10:48 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 07/01/13 10:49 AM






any examples of the said 'case history' which proves it doesn't hurt anyone?


Can you show instances where same sex marriage is harming people?


since when is it not harmful to go against nature?


Homosexuality is actually in nature.
Doesn't matter whether you agree with it or deny it.
It's still there.

whoa



so is cannabilism,, never been sure how that's a rational response to the discussion of HUMAN homosexual behaviors...


You are the queen of bringing up things that have nothing to do with homosexuality. laugh



yes, the validity and naturalness of peoples ACTIONS has NOTHING to do with homosexuality....


frustrated

msharmony's photo
Mon 07/01/13 10:48 AM






any examples of the said 'case history' which proves it doesn't hurt anyone?


Can you show instances where same sex marriage is harming people?


since when is it not harmful to go against nature?


Homosexuality is actually in nature.
Doesn't matter whether you agree with it or deny it.
It's still there.

whoa



so is cannabilism,, never been sure how that's a rational response to the discussion of HUMAN homosexual behaviors...


You are the queen of bringing up things that have nothing to do with homosexuality. laugh

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Mon 07/01/13 10:52 AM





and what would make me 'happy' is a 20 dollar job,, should government mandate I am provided that as well?


You are indeed provided with the equal opportunity to pursue that by law by govt.




'pursuit of happiness' is the most vague explanation for any law,,,

yes, I clearly have a problem of feeling that sexual relations involving one sex organ and one non sex organ are not EQUAL

to the NATURAL sexual relations which involve both parties SEXUAL ORGANS

This was never an issue comparing sex organs. I hope you come to terms with that. Its about people wanting to celebrate their devotion publicly just as other citizens are permitted to do.



,,yes, that's my problem

and my problem is what will now become pushing this idea on our children and their children,, that its all EQUAL

when its so obviously NOT The same, or equal and a husband and wife are not EQUAL to a husband and husband and wife and wife

,,,,and I probably wont get past my problem any sooner than others will get over their problem of believing the government is mandated to provide whatever will make them 'happy'

Then you should fight the laws barring employers to hire based on discrimination of sex, race, creed, religion, etc. And while youre at it you might as well demand they illiminate all benefits for recognised married couples because the govt should have nothing to do with happiness.





and homosexuals don't have the opportunity to PURSUE marriage ?

male homosexuals don't have any opportunity to marry a woman?
,,female homosexuals have no opportunity to marry a man?

,,that argument holds no water

,,PURSUIING can be any action towards a goal

so, yeah, I can PURSUE that job if I do certain things

and every citizen can PURSUE marriage if they do certain things,,,



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Mon 07/01/13 10:53 AM





and what would make me 'happy' is a 20 dollar job,, should government mandate I am provided that as well?


You are indeed provided with the equal opportunity to pursue that by law by govt.




'pursuit of happiness' is the most vague explanation for any law,,,

yes, I clearly have a problem of feeling that sexual relations involving one sex organ and one non sex organ are not EQUAL

to the NATURAL sexual relations which involve both parties SEXUAL ORGANS

This was never an issue comparing sex organs. I hope you come to terms with that. Its about people wanting to celebrate their devotion publicly just as other citizens are permitted to do.



,,yes, that's my problem

and my problem is what will now become pushing this idea on our children and their children,, that its all EQUAL

when its so obviously NOT The same, or equal and a husband and wife are not EQUAL to a husband and husband and wife and wife

,,,,and I probably wont get past my problem any sooner than others will get over their problem of believing the government is mandated to provide whatever will make them 'happy'

Then you should fight the laws barring employers to hire based on discrimination of sex, race, creed, religion, etc. And while youre at it you might as well demand they illiminate all benefits for recognised married couples because the govt should have nothing to do with happiness.





and homosexuals don't have the opportunity to PURSUE marriage ?

male homosexuals don't have any opportunity to marry a woman?
,,female homosexuals have no opportunity to marry a man?

,,that argument holds no water

,,PURSUIING can be any action towards a goal

so, yeah, I can PURSUE that job if I do certain things

and every citizen can PURSUE marriage if they do certain things,,,



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Mon 07/01/13 10:55 AM
by the way, there are already laws against hiring based upon race/gender/ and even sexual 'preference'


and I have considered joining the fight to eradicate government involvement in marriage and starting a new fight to have government be involved instead with PARENTS

that way, children do not suffer from a lack of interest in adults to commit to those they make children with,,,,

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Mon 07/01/13 10:58 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 07/01/13 10:58 AM

It will win out,, reverse pscyhology

the way pro abortionists labeled the cause 'pro choice',,,(how can anyone be against ones right to choose. after all?)

and same sex proponents label the cause 'marriage equality' (we just want the very equal behavior of sodomy to be taught and accepted as normally as procreative sex....who can be against treating people 'equally')

the mind games will work,,,we dont tend to think beyond our immediate wants,,,and desires,,,,,its rare that the flesh doesnt win out,,,,


especially in a culture of egotism and immediate gratification and gluttony,,


just my opinion


,,,,perhaps I will not feel so 'resigned' in the future, ,but for today,,, Im tired of fighting the fleshly demands of others upon american culture,,,,



That's why they named the worst document approved by Congress ever, "The Patriot Act."

Who could be against Patriotism?

However now, if you call yourself a "patriot" you are put on a possible terrorist list.


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Mon 07/01/13 11:11 AM




and homosexuals don't have the opportunity to PURSUE marriage ?

male homosexuals don't have any opportunity to marry a woman?
,,female homosexuals have no opportunity to marry a man?

,,that argument holds no water

,,PURSUIING can be any action towards a goal

so, yeah, I can PURSUE that job if I do certain things

and every citizen can PURSUE marriage if they do certain things,,,





No they do not have the opportunity to pursue marriage because their love is with someone of their gender. Try to keep up. Without govt intervention you could pursue a job but wouldnt get one because you may have traits that historically would have left you unemployable. Thank you equal rights movements.




I don't think you are understanding

I have the opportunity to pursue that 20 dollar job period

and homosexual males have the same opportunity to pursue a marriage that heterosexual males do

now,, In reality, I have no opportunity to get that 20 dollar job BECAUSE my skill set is something different than what is required

and homosexuals have no opportunity to get that marriage because their PERSONAL Requirement is something different than what is legally required,,,

me having a job, is different than me having a 20 dollar job,, and even Equal rights cant give that to me without ME meeting certain requirements

me having a relationship, is different than me having a GOVERNMENT LABELED MARRIAGE< and legislation shouldn't be giving that to me without me meeting certain requirements

until recently

those requirements were that I be

an adult
not of the same two biological parents
and not still legally married
marrying a FEMALE if I am a male, and marrying a MALE if I am a female

my 'sexual' preference is irrelevant to the requirements, whether I am homosexual or heterosexual,, until now

everyone that is male can choose to marry a female and everyone who is a female can choose to marry a male

everyone can choose to marry anyone that is a non sibling

everyone can choose to have ONE spouse at any given time

,,those are requirements for the 'job' of being married,, and everyone is able to PURSUE that job if they meet those job requirements..

,,try to keep up:wink:

but now, if we are getting rid of requirements, in favor of the idea of accepting everyones 'preferences',, than we can no longer have ANY requirements accept the age requirement

siblings should be able to 'pursue' marrying whomever they love including each other

married people can 'pursue' marrying someone else, if they love them and all involved consent,,,,,etc

,..if people cant see the absolute CHAOS this logic opens up,,,,than I can only keep saying that time will tell how wise this choice ends up being,,,

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Mon 07/01/13 11:12 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 07/01/13 11:13 AM






any examples of the said 'case history' which proves it doesn't hurt anyone?


Can you show instances where same sex marriage is harming people?


since when is it not harmful to go against nature?


Homosexuality is actually in nature.
Doesn't matter whether you agree with it or deny it.
It's still there.

whoa


prove it... show me a gay animal couple...


Animals that live a completely homosexual life can also be found. This occurs especially among birds that will pair with one partner for life, which is the case with geese and ducks. Four to five percent of the couples are homosexual. Single females will lay eggs in a homosexual pair's nest. It has been observed that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples.

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Mon 07/01/13 11:13 AM


It will win out,, reverse pscyhology

the way pro abortionists labeled the cause 'pro choice',,,(how can anyone be against ones right to choose. after all?)

and same sex proponents label the cause 'marriage equality' (we just want the very equal behavior of sodomy to be taught and accepted as normally as procreative sex....who can be against treating people 'equally')

the mind games will work,,,we dont tend to think beyond our immediate wants,,,and desires,,,,,its rare that the flesh doesnt win out,,,,


especially in a culture of egotism and immediate gratification and gluttony,,


just my opinion


,,,,perhaps I will not feel so 'resigned' in the future, ,but for today,,, Im tired of fighting the fleshly demands of others upon american culture,,,,



That's why they named the worst document approved by Congress ever, "The Patriot Act."

Who could be against Patriotism?

However now, if you call yourself a "patriot" you are put on a possible terrorist list.





I agree with that too,, semantics can be very impressionable and manipulative

why do folks think advertisers can make the big bucks,,,they are careful about how they 'word' things,,,to impress upon people,,

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Mon 07/01/13 11:14 AM


by the way, there are already laws against hiring based upon race/gender/ and even sexual 'preference'



Then you neednt have said this:


and what would make me 'happy' is a 20 dollar job,, should government mandate I am provided that as well?









?? what on earth does equal opportunity laws have to do with government being mandated to provide a job for my 'happiness'?


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Mon 07/01/13 11:21 AM



I don't think you are understanding

No MsH. You are not understanding. Gay people do not want to pursue heterosexual love. They merely want to be recognised as equal human beings who happen to fall in love with the same gender. Its very simple.


yes, I understand, homosexuals aren't made to 'pursue' heterosexual love

they are perfectly free ALREADY to 'pursue' homosexual love

,,its not about them being able to fall in love with each other
its about forcing SOCIETY to support and encourage their choice to have homosexual RELATIONS<,,,

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Mon 07/01/13 11:32 AM
I was on ther fence on the issue of gay marriage for a long time. My catholic upbringing had me raising questions about the validity of homosexuality and therefor the validity of that marriage.

Then a friend of mine that happens to be gay, was involved in a motorcycly accident. He was in the ICU for three weeks. Because he had no imediate family, and his partner is not recognized as a spouse, my friend was in ICU for 22 day all alone.

Is that a fair or just way to take care of each other.

My friend and his partner have been together for over 10 years, and they love each other without reservation. The fact that they communicate well and have a solid relationship should tell us that this type of relationship is valid, and natural.

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Mon 07/01/13 11:37 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 07/01/13 11:39 AM




I don't think you are understanding

No MsH. You are not understanding. Gay people do not want to pursue heterosexual love. They merely want to be recognised as equal human beings who happen to fall in love with the same gender. Its very simple.


yes, I understand, homosexuals aren't made to 'pursue' heterosexual love

they are perfectly free ALREADY to 'pursue' homosexual love

,,its not about them being able to fall in love with each other
its about forcing SOCIETY to support and encourage their choice to have homosexual RELATIONS<,,,


No, misharmony, its not. No one is "forcing" society to accept it. You don't accept it. Even IF they passed a law that you have to accept it, you could never accept it.

Nobody is "forcing" you to accept anything.

All the Supreme court has done is to honor and support the States rights to allow benefits to same sex couples who got married legally after that state legalized same sex marriage.

This is actually a good thing. This shows that the Federal government is not insisting on trying to take over and rule all of the individual states against their will.

The Federal government has said that IT IS UP TO THE STATES. They have said that if your state legalizes gay marriage, they will abide by that law and allow same sex couples who are legally married the same rights as other marriages.

This country, and this world is all about honoring contracts.

This battle will now continue but it will be on the STATE level.




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Mon 07/01/13 11:42 AM

I was on ther fence on the issue of gay marriage for a long time. My catholic upbringing had me raising questions about the validity of homosexuality and therefor the validity of that marriage.

Then a friend of mine that happens to be gay, was involved in a motorcycly accident. He was in the ICU for three weeks. Because he had no imediate family, and his partner is not recognized as a spouse, my friend was in ICU for 22 day all alone.

Is that a fair or just way to take care of each other.

My friend and his partner have been together for over 10 years, and they love each other without reservation. The fact that they communicate well and have a solid relationship should tell us that this type of relationship is valid, and natural.


this would also be the case if the partner was heterosexual but not married yet

that is what medical power of attorney is useful for,, regardless of 'sexual preference',, in fact, it doesn't even have to be someone we are sexually involved with that we assign power to medical access, in cases where we are not able to make our own medical decision,,,



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Mon 07/01/13 11:44 AM

I was on ther fence on the issue of gay marriage for a long time. My catholic upbringing had me raising questions about the validity of homosexuality and therefor the validity of that marriage.

Then a friend of mine that happens to be gay, was involved in a motorcycly accident. He was in the ICU for three weeks. Because he had no imediate family, and his partner is not recognized as a spouse, my friend was in ICU for 22 day all alone.

Is that a fair or just way to take care of each other.

My friend and his partner have been together for over 10 years, and they love each other without reservation. The fact that they communicate well and have a solid relationship should tell us that this type of relationship is valid, and natural.



Most hospitals are not that strict but they are very strict on their b.s. of protecting the privacy of patients, or at least they try to make a big show of that.

A gay couple should not have to lie about it, but he could have said he was a brother.

Also a gay couple can sign medical power of attorney and other such things for each other. If they consider themselves to be a committed couple they need to do this.



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Mon 07/01/13 11:45 AM





I don't think you are understanding

No MsH. You are not understanding. Gay people do not want to pursue heterosexual love. They merely want to be recognised as equal human beings who happen to fall in love with the same gender. Its very simple.


yes, I understand, homosexuals aren't made to 'pursue' heterosexual love

they are perfectly free ALREADY to 'pursue' homosexual love

,,its not about them being able to fall in love with each other
its about forcing SOCIETY to support and encourage their choice to have homosexual RELATIONS<,,,


No, misharmony, its not. No one is "forcing" society to accept it. You don't accept it. Even IF they passed a law that you have to accept it, you could never accept it.

Nobody is "forcing" you to accept anything.

All the Supreme court has done is to honor and support the States rights to allow benefits to same sex couples who got married legally after that state legalized same sex marriage.

This is actually a good thing. This shows that the Federal government is not insisting on trying to take over and rule all of the individual states against their will.

The Federal government has said that IT IS UP TO THE STATES. They have said that if your state legalizes gay marriage, they will abide by that law and allow same sex couples who are legally married the same rights as other marriages.

This country, and this world is all about honoring contracts.

This battle will now continue but it will be on the STATE level.







thank you for pointing that out, I do understand it is a state issue

but it is indeed a forced culture if most do not approve of it but the law decides it will be treated as if it is approved of,,,

If I open a home for couples, or families. I would be FORCED to also include those engaged in the homosexual lifestyle,, that's being FORCED to accept behaviors of others,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 07/01/13 11:45 AM





I don't think you are understanding

No MsH. You are not understanding. Gay people do not want to pursue heterosexual love. They merely want to be recognised as equal human beings who happen to fall in love with the same gender. Its very simple.


yes, I understand, homosexuals aren't made to 'pursue' heterosexual love

they are perfectly free ALREADY to 'pursue' homosexual love

,,its not about them being able to fall in love with each other
its about forcing SOCIETY to support and encourage their choice to have homosexual RELATIONS<,,,


No, misharmony, its not. No one is "forcing" society to accept it. You don't accept it. Even IF they passed a law that you have to accept it, you could never accept it.

Nobody is "forcing" you to accept anything.

All the Supreme court has done is to honor and support the States rights to allow benefits to same sex couples who got married legally after that state legalized same sex marriage.

This is actually a good thing. This shows that the Federal government is not insisting on trying to take over and rule all of the individual states against their will.

The Federal government has said that IT IS UP TO THE STATES. They have said that if your state legalizes gay marriage, they will abide by that law and allow same sex couples who are legally married the same rights as other marriages.

This country, and this world is all about honoring contracts.

This battle will now continue but it will be on the STATE level.







thank you for pointing that out, I do understand it is a state issue

but it is indeed a forced culture if most do not approve of it but the law decides it will be treated as if it is approved of,,,

If I open a home for couples, or families. I would be FORCED to also include those engaged in the homosexual lifestyle,, that's being FORCED to accept behaviors of others,,,

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Mon 07/01/13 11:49 AM
Having the same last name helps. My sister and my brother inherited the same property from my parents, and they were both living there and they had the same last name.

It was surprising how many government authorities just assumed they were married, and allowed her to completely conduct his personal business without question.



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Mon 07/01/13 11:53 AM






I don't think you are understanding

No MsH. You are not understanding. Gay people do not want to pursue heterosexual love. They merely want to be recognised as equal human beings who happen to fall in love with the same gender. Its very simple.


yes, I understand, homosexuals aren't made to 'pursue' heterosexual love

they are perfectly free ALREADY to 'pursue' homosexual love

,,its not about them being able to fall in love with each other
its about forcing SOCIETY to support and encourage their choice to have homosexual RELATIONS<,,,


No, misharmony, its not. No one is "forcing" society to accept it. You don't accept it. Even IF they passed a law that you have to accept it, you could never accept it.

Nobody is "forcing" you to accept anything.

All the Supreme court has done is to honor and support the States rights to allow benefits to same sex couples who got married legally after that state legalized same sex marriage.

This is actually a good thing. This shows that the Federal government is not insisting on trying to take over and rule all of the individual states against their will.

The Federal government has said that IT IS UP TO THE STATES. They have said that if your state legalizes gay marriage, they will abide by that law and allow same sex couples who are legally married the same rights as other marriages.

This country, and this world is all about honoring contracts.

This battle will now continue but it will be on the STATE level.







thank you for pointing that out, I do understand it is a state issue

but it is indeed a forced culture if most do not approve of it but the law decides it will be treated as if it is approved of,,,

If I open a home for couples, or families. I would be FORCED to also include those engaged in the homosexual lifestyle,, that's being FORCED to accept behaviors of others,,,



Are you saying then, if you were renting homes, you would discriminate against a gay couple?

Why are you obsessed with what they are doing in the privacy of their home? How does that hurt you? How do you imagine it will hurt the neighborhood? Do you think they will throw wild sex parties and attempt to convert your children into their "lifestyle?"

What do you imagine their lifestyle consists of?

I think you have a very wild imagination and a skewed opinion of gays.