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Topic: Zimmerman Murder case
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/11/13 09:29 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, you are ok with the state being able to move the goal post at the end of the trial?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/11/13 09:29 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, you are ok with the state being able to move the goal post at the end of the trial?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 07/11/13 09:34 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, so,you propose to keep on trying the Guy under various Charges,until you arrive at the one who will convict him? Holy Moly!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/11/13 09:35 AM Edited by msharmony on Thu 07/11/13 09:37 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, so,you propose to keep on trying the Guy under various Charges,until you arrive at the one who will convict him? Holy Moly! no, he is not being TRIED under various charges, he was charged with a crime that includes lesser crimes,,,, its not difficult,,, A lesser included offense shares some, but not all, of the elements of a greater criminal offense. Therefore, the greater offense cannot be committed without also committing the lesser offense. For example, Manslaughter is a lesser included offense of murder, assault is a lesser included offense of rape, and unlawful entry is a lesser included offense of Burglary. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Lesser+Included+Offense

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Thu 07/11/13 09:43 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, so,you propose to keep on trying the Guy under various Charges,until you arrive at the one who will convict him? Holy Moly! no, he is not being TRIED under various charges, he was charged with a crime that includes lesser crimes,,,, its not difficult,,, a crime that includes lesser crimes? if that were true then the state could have charged him with first degree murder and according to you that would also include second and third degree murder manslaughter aggravated assault with a deadly weapon ... down to simple assault.. that is preposterous..

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 07/11/13 09:51 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, so,you propose to keep on trying the Guy under various Charges,until you arrive at the one who will convict him? Holy Moly! no, he is not being TRIED under various charges, he was charged with a crime that includes lesser crimes,,,, its not difficult,,, a crime that includes lesser crimes? if that were true then the state could have charged him with first degree murder and according to you that would also include second and third degree murder manslaughter aggravated assault with a deadly weapon ... down to simple assault.. that is preposterous.. what would, could and is possible usually does cross into the preposterous but what IS, was a 2nd degree charge,, (1st degree would require premeditation of murder) with whichever lesser included charge is believed to have been shown,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 07/11/13 10:25 AM
The pros who testified all concur the man acted in self-defense. IMO, one shot would be delivered to get said thug off. Two or more would be aiming to

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 07/11/13 10:29 AM
Two or more shots would be aiming to waste him.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 07/11/13 10:35 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, so,you propose to keep on trying the Guy under various Charges,until you arrive at the one who will convict him? Holy Moly! no, he is not being TRIED under various charges, he was charged with a crime that includes lesser crimes,,,, its not difficult,,, A lesser included offense shares some, but not all, of the elements of a greater criminal offense. Therefore, the greater offense cannot be committed without also committing the lesser offense. For example, Manslaughter is a lesser included offense of murder, assault is a lesser included offense of rape, and unlawful entry is a lesser included offense of Burglary. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Lesser+Included+Offense so,you say let's keep on trying him,sooner or later something will stick? I doubt that your take on that Legalistic stuff is even correct! It would fly into the face of US Justice! What you are proposing has been done in the Soviet-Sphere of Influence and in the Third Reich! That is not Justice,but rolling Dice with the "Crimes" on their Faces,and whichever comes up,bang,Guilty! To make it more interesting leave some Faces blank,so you'll get a free Roll of the Dice!

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14988	Thu 07/11/13 10:41 AM
Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years. Thirty years for (not-quite)-Manslaughter? Yes, Zimmerman had the gun and he could have aimed for a leg not the heart.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 07/11/13 10:56 AM
Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years. Thirty years for (not-quite)-Manslaughter? Yes, Zimmerman had the gun and he could have aimed for a leg not the heart. yep,for the Leg,especially for the Leg,since the Guy was on top of him,pummeling away! That Leg was at the Other End!

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Thu 07/11/13 11:08 AM
I seriously doubt aiming came into play. More like a lucky shot. If he wanted to make sure he was dead he would have emptied his load into him.

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Thu 07/11/13 11:17 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse.. Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking.. Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,, so,you propose to keep on trying the Guy under various Charges,until you arrive at the one who will convict him? Holy Moly! Remember, OJ was convicted in a civil court later for murdering Nicole Brown, his wife. Just saying.

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14988	Thu 07/11/13 11:31 AM
Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years. Thirty years for (not-quite)-Manslaughter? Yes, Zimmerman had the gun and he could have aimed for a leg not the heart. yep,for the Leg,especially for the Leg,since the Guy was on top of him,pummeling away! That Leg was at the Other End!

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Thu 07/11/13 11:54 AM
One thing watching the close arguments. That this case was not that unknown in a Stand Ground Your Grown State. That the Police did not see as criminal intent. Yet our Govt. will step in on any case that might be political. If Trayvon was my son that's what I would expect he would look like. It's a very important case. who was right? Govt. oversight or our own local law enforcement?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 07/11/13 11:55 AM
If some six foot tall guy was beating my head against the side walk and I had a gun, I think the only logical thing to do would be to use it. Otherwise, why even carry a gun?

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Thu 07/11/13 12:07 PM
If some six foot tall guy was beating my head against the side walk and I had a gun, I think the only logical thing to do would be to use it. Otherwise, why even carry a gun? I agree.. I find it interesting that all the Local Police force who testified , do so for the defense. The Mayor was left out of what should of been separately with the recording was being played to the family. and others said they were taken away from doing their job. That's Big time Govt. interference They Just came in and Took over.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 07/11/13 12:24 PM
Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years. Thirty years for (not-quite)-Manslaughter? Yes, Zimmerman had the gun and he could have aimed for a leg not the heart. yep,for the Leg,especially for the Leg,since the Guy was on top of him,pummeling away! That Leg was at the Other End! all the Eyerolling won't change the fact,that it would have be impossible for Zimmermann to shoot Trayon into the Leg,owing to the relative position they were to each other! Well,maybe someone without any Firearmstraining might have accomplished that virtually impossible feat!

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14988	Thu 07/11/13 12:45 PM Edited by Toodygirl5 on Thu 07/11/13 12:48 PM
Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years. Thirty years for (not-quite)-Manslaughter? Yes, Zimmerman had the gun and he could have aimed for a leg not the heart. yep,for the Leg,especially for the Leg,since the Guy was on top of him,pummeling away! That Leg was at the Other End! all the Eyerolling won't change the fact,that it would have be impossible for Zimmermann to shoot Trayon into the Leg,owing to the relative position they were to each other! Well,maybe someone without any Firearmstraining might have accomplished that virtually impossible feat! Eyerolling means I don't agree with you. We all have our opinions lets see what the jury says. Maybe Zimmerman should get 28 years instead of 30. As far as real Facts who really knows!!

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Thu 07/11/13 01:08 PM
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