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Topic: Zimmerman Murder case
msharmony's photo
Wed 07/10/13 05:46 PM





should not have volunteered to help see the thanks ya get


the fact that they were in a physical altercation shows its not murder
if he wanted to murder him he didnt have to get beat up

he could have just shot him if thats what he wanted

the judge is bias to the point of a new trial should happen if convicted

allowing zimm interest of law enforcement in and

rejecting mart interest in fighting and other interests in

definite bias


the judge has not given instructions, im sure she will follow the law when she does

the judge didnt present the evidence

the judge will not decide the verdict


many
'fights' have ended in murder,, especially if one was trying to not be murdered,,lol

thats the difference between PREMEDITATED and other types of homicide charges,,,,


but not to worry, justice has a history of being on the side of money,,,,,and 'image',,, and the defendant certainly has more of both than the victim or his witnesses,,,



She denied the text evidence on the absurd claim that because there was no way to know with 100% certainty that the texts on the phone owned by Trayvon were sent by him, the jury shouldn’t see them, even though the jury would be able to consider the fact that there was an unreasonable chance that he hadn’t sent them, and even though the defense may have been able to present evidence that they WERE sent by him. In addition, the prosecution team delayed letting the defense team know they had the texts in the first place, in order to prevent the defense from contacting the people Trayvon had sent them to, who could then corroborate that Trayvon had in fact sent them. The judge didn’t care. She had already, before the trial started, denied the defense’s request for a delay in order to do that very corroboration. These texts are very important, and perhaps key, because of the m...

Full article: http://patdollard.com/2013/07/watch-judge-proves-she-is-w...



the texts in question were not relevant,,,lie detector tests show what they show yet they are inadmissable as well

its a judges call,,and I saw the texts,, they wouldnt make a difference as they werent relevant to what happened the night of the death,,,

alookat101's photo
Wed 07/10/13 05:48 PM

Zimmerman should be in jail and all the black ppl in jail should be set free :)
offtopic Let's try to stay with the Topic and not let our political views cloud the issue at hand my fellow man.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/10/13 05:50 PM

Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years.



we will see Toddy,, im doubting it will be more than a slap on the hand if he gets anything

I empathize, I feel he was stupid and did something stupid,, following someone alone at night with a gun,,,he just introduced a dangerous situation by his action and someone died,,,,could have all been avoided,, and i believe there should be some legal culpability involved,,,,,


I dont know if Id agree with 30 years, there are targeted and more vicious killings which get less,,,,but I absolutely believe he should be charged and serve some time,, or else they can do what nicole simpsons family did and take it to a court that requires less of a strict standard and make sure he is held legally responsible that way,,,

adj4u's photo
Wed 07/10/13 05:52 PM
Published on May 28, 2013

Judge denies delay, bars evidence in George Zimmerman trial
A Florida judge ruled that George Zimmerman's defense team cannot mention Trayvon Martin's suspension from school, prior marijuana use, text messages or past fighting during opening statements at next month's trial.
http://feeds.nbcnews.com/c/35002/f/65...


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prosecution did not turn over discovery evidence in a timely manner

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Judge refuses to delay trial in Trayvon Martin killing
A Florida Judge refused to delay the trial of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Trayvon Martin . The judge ruled that the trial will begin as scheduled on June 10.
http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/~r/usato...

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/10/13 05:59 PM
what , only 15 months between someone dying and someone being tried for it,,,?


well, thats kind of awful isnt it,,,frustrated

adj4u's photo
Wed 07/10/13 06:01 PM
With the ruling, the jury will learn that in July 2009 Zimmerman's application to be a Prince William, Va., police officer was rejected, and that in March 2010 he applied for a police ride-along.

The ruling also means the jury will see Zimmerman's homework he did toward an associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was set to graduate in spring 2012, the jury will learn. They'll also learn that Zimmerman had access to literature about how to "excel as a witness" and the theory behind Florida's stand-your-ground and self-defense law.



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why is this relevant

this judge should be removed

she shows definite bias

adj4u's photo
Wed 07/10/13 06:05 PM

what , only 15 months between someone dying and someone being tried for it,,,?


well, thats kind of awful isnt it,,,frustrated



well maybe the evidence should have been shared in a prompt and timely manner


many trials took much longer at prosecutions request

robert blake

and

o j

to name a couple

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/10/13 06:06 PM

With the ruling, the jury will learn that in July 2009 Zimmerman's application to be a Prince William, Va., police officer was rejected, and that in March 2010 he applied for a police ride-along.

The ruling also means the jury will see Zimmerman's homework he did toward an associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was set to graduate in spring 2012, the jury will learn. They'll also learn that Zimmerman had access to literature about how to "excel as a witness" and the theory behind Florida's stand-your-ground and self-defense law.



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why is this relevant

this judge should be removed

she shows definite bias



its relevant because of STATEMENTS HE CHOSE TO GIVE< before the trial, to a reporter (Cant think of his name),,, it shows inconsistency because he claimed to have never heard of stand your ground

although he had a history with law enforcement and CRIMINAL JUSTICE studies,,,

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 07/10/13 06:10 PM


Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years.



we will see Toddy,, im doubting it will be more than a slap on the hand if he gets anything

I empathize, I feel he was stupid and did something stupid,, following someone alone at night with a gun,,,he just introduced a dangerous situation by his action and someone died,,,,could have all been avoided,, and i believe there should be some legal culpability involved,,,,,


I dont know if Id agree with 30 years, there are targeted and more vicious killings which get less,,,,but I absolutely believe he should be charged and serve some time,, or else they can do what nicole simpsons family did and take it to a court that requires less of a strict standard and make sure he is held legally responsible that way,,,


"T" was 17 and did not have a gun. Many people that get off lesser time for Murder, should by right, should have got longer time. Imo

adj4u's photo
Wed 07/10/13 06:13 PM



How long will this take to go to trial?
The average length of time it takes for a case to go to trail varies. The more serious (rape, murder, etc.) cases take longer, averaging from 1 to 3 years. The average time for misdemeanor cases is about 6 months.


http://www.23rdda.org/victimassistance.html

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/10/13 07:40 PM
so his took 15 months

oj was at trial 6 months after nicole died


15 months is a pretty good prep time,,,

no photo
Wed 07/10/13 08:53 PM


With the ruling, the jury will learn that in July 2009 Zimmerman's application to be a Prince William, Va., police officer was rejected, and that in March 2010 he applied for a police ride-along.

The ruling also means the jury will see Zimmerman's homework he did toward an associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was set to graduate in spring 2012, the jury will learn. They'll also learn that Zimmerman had access to literature about how to "excel as a witness" and the theory behind Florida's stand-your-ground and self-defense law.



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why is this relevant

this judge should be removed

she shows definite bias



its relevant because of STATEMENTS HE CHOSE TO GIVE< before the trial, to a reporter (Cant think of his name),,, it shows inconsistency because he claimed to have never heard of stand your ground

although he had a history with law enforcement and CRIMINAL JUSTICE studies,,,


depending how far along he was in his CJ classes or even had he finished , the coursework may not have included detailed info on stand your ground or even a passing mention because he would have been getting legal theory...tort prep...brief prep - theoretical and general classes most likely

but being on neighborhood watch with a gun makes me think he had at least heard about it from that practical expereince

however, if he listens as well as my ex husband.....lol

who knows

and that's the problem with this case there are too many ????

who knows's to consider

think what u want but u can't obtain a legal conviction on cultural or racial loyalties, opinion or speculation

heck I even think snowden's prosecution is illegal

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 07/11/13 02:14 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 07/11/13 02:17 AM

Zimmerman had a gun and he sterotyped "T"! Zimmerman was a bit fearful so he used his gun. The murder could have been avoided. Zimmerman should get a lesser charge than manslaughter, but he should get at least 30 years.
Thirty years for (not-quite)-Manslaughter?spock whoa

msharmony's photo
Thu 07/11/13 07:00 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 07/11/13 07:02 AM



With the ruling, the jury will learn that in July 2009 Zimmerman's application to be a Prince William, Va., police officer was rejected, and that in March 2010 he applied for a police ride-along.

The ruling also means the jury will see Zimmerman's homework he did toward an associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was set to graduate in spring 2012, the jury will learn. They'll also learn that Zimmerman had access to literature about how to "excel as a witness" and the theory behind Florida's stand-your-ground and self-defense law.



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why is this relevant

this judge should be removed

she shows definite bias



its relevant because of STATEMENTS HE CHOSE TO GIVE< before the trial, to a reporter (Cant think of his name),,, it shows inconsistency because he claimed to have never heard of stand your ground

although he had a history with law enforcement and CRIMINAL JUSTICE studies,,,


depending how far along he was in his CJ classes or even had he finished , the coursework may not have included detailed info on stand your ground or even a passing mention because he would have been getting legal theory...tort prep...brief prep - theoretical and general classes most likely

but being on neighborhood watch with a gun makes me think he had at least heard about it from that practical expereince

however, if he listens as well as my ex husband.....lol

who knows

and that's the problem with this case there are too many ????

who knows's to consider

think what u want but u can't obtain a legal conviction on cultural or racial loyalties, opinion or speculation

heck I even think snowden's prosecution is illegal



understandable, except his professor, who was very pleasant and warm to him during court, testified he taught stand your ground and z was one of his best students,,,

and conviction will be based upon jury instruction

I believe there is enough to show ill will in the state of mind,,that he called this kid he didn't know so many names on the 911 call, the aggravation with the idea that this kid would 'get away' (from what?)

and then that he was combative with him while he was on his phone call,,,,,,,

and then the fact that the kid is dead

,,,but it will be the jurors with the last word

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 07/11/13 08:33 AM

The media wants a guilty verdict. They don't care about right or wrong, they want press!

But they aren't trying or judging the case now are they?

But there is a problem when the judge takes sides.....!

Judge Confronts Zimmerman in Testy Exchange

The tension escalated as another of Zimmerman’s defense attorneys, Mark O’Mara, was overheard asking under his breath, “What is going on?”

Kathi Belich, a journalist following the trial for a local news channel, tweeted her surprise at the line of questioning, writing “I have never seen that in more than 30 years of court reporting.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/353105/judge-confronts-zimmerman-testy-exchange-dimitrios-halikias

msharmony's photo
Thu 07/11/13 08:38 AM
30 years of reporting,,,? so she is part of the media which wants 'press'?


right?


I was involved in a court case personally myself, judge also asked that creep if he was gonna testify,,, much ado about nothing,,,surprised a seasoned reporter never has seen that in 30 years when I saw it in my one and only court case,,,,,lol

InvictusV's photo
Thu 07/11/13 09:09 AM
We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse..

Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking..




msharmony's photo
Thu 07/11/13 09:13 AM

We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse..

Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking..






Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved

but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,,

InvictusV's photo
Thu 07/11/13 09:28 AM


We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse..

Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking..






Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved

but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,,


you are ok with the state being able to move the goal post at the end of the trial?

msharmony's photo
Thu 07/11/13 09:29 AM



We are going to court and charging you with second degree murder, then when we realize that we are going to probably not win a conviction we now want the judge to grant the option of the jury to consider convicting you of manslaughter or child abuse..

Maybe they can get him for talking on the cell phone while walking..






Im guessing not, since aggravated assault was not approved

but lesser charges work that way, and manslaughter will be included,,,


you are ok with the state being able to move the goal post at the end of the trial?

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