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. . . any kind of group prayer if it is a public rather than private group is inappropriate.
That above-quoted claim is a subjective claim. I have been discussing what the U.S. Constitution permits and doesn't permit. Nothing in the First Amendment prohibits a group public prayer involving the general public. ...if the citizens of town put together a community festival and someone got up on a pedestal and conducted a group prayer, that I would object to.
Then perhaps you shouldn't attend such a festival. Even if a festival is held on public property, it will still have private funding. There is a difference between objecting to something because it is unconstitutional (which I have done) and objecting to something because it conflicts with your personal beliefs. |
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. . . any kind of group prayer if it is a public rather than private group is inappropriate.
That above-quoted claim is a subjective claim. I have been discussing what the U.S. Constitution permits and doesn't permit. Nothing in the First Amendment prohibits a group public prayer involving the general public. ...if the citizens of town put together a community festival and someone got up on a pedestal and conducted a group prayer, that I would object to.
Then perhaps you shouldn't attend such a festival. Even if a festival is held on public property, it will still have private funding. There is a difference between objecting to something because it is unconstitutional (which I have done) and objecting to something because it conflicts with your personal beliefs. I agree completely. One is against the law, and the other is just inappropriate and rude. As I said, there is no law against being rude. LOL If there were, I'd be in jail. 
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Folks, we might as well let this thread die. The best way to do that is by not participating. 
Muslims can jack up they call to prayer ghetto blasters all over the cities. Why is no one but me offended? Why aren't they sued to shet da' fck up? They forcing the public tho listen to that trash. Why are they allowed a pass and other public open verbal religious displays are condemned? |
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Folks, we might as well let this thread die. The best way to do that is by not participating.
Muslims can jack up they call to prayer ghetto blasters all over the cities. Why is no one but me offended? Why aren't they sued to shet da' fck up? They forcing the public tho listen to that trash. Why are they allowed a pass and other public open verbal religious displays are condemned? Ghetto blasters? I think they can be arrested for disturbing the peace. If not, then the Christians should get out their ghetto blasters and follow them around doing the same.
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Folks, we might as well let this thread die. The best way to do that is by not participating.
Muslims can jack up they call to prayer ghetto blasters all over the cities. Why is no one but me offended? Why aren't they sued to shet da' fck up? They forcing the public tho listen to that trash. Why are they allowed a pass and other public open verbal religious displays are condemned? You try to turn every thread into a discussion about muslims. Why are you so obsessed with muslims? Which US cities are they doing the call to prayer all over "ghetto blasters?" |
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? I don't understand the question. I was not aware that "the United States" had a list of "recognized religions." Of course they do. If they didn't everyone would invent their own religion for tax exempt status... Um.... no they don't. We are allowed to invent any religion we like. That's were religions come from. We invent them.
your wrong 
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Folks, we might as well let this thread die. The best way to do that is by not participating.
Muslims can jack up they call to prayer ghetto blasters all over the cities. Why is no one but me offended? Why aren't they sued to shet da' fck up? They forcing the public tho listen to that trash. Why are they allowed a pass and other public open verbal religious displays are condemned? Ghetto blasters? I think they can be arrested for disturbing the peace. If not, then the Christians should get out their ghetto blasters and follow them around doing the same.
Ghetto blast, I know, it's and ancient term. Has more punch than break out their Ipods.
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Edited by
willing2
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Folks, we might as well let this thread die. The best way to do that is by not participating.
Muslims can jack up they call to prayer ghetto blasters all over the cities. Why is no one but me offended? Why aren't they sued to shet da' fck up? They forcing the public tho listen to that trash. Why are they allowed a pass and other public open verbal religious displays are condemned? You try to turn every thread into a discussion about muslims. Why are you so obsessed with muslims? Which US cities are they doing the call to prayer all over "ghetto blasters?" Islam is a religion, no? Why would you exepmt them from loud and rude crowd? Brooklyn, New York, many, many, many other cities. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lBbIQyLB1OUThat is much bigger than any Ghetto Blaster I have heard.
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Islam is a religion, no? Why would you exepmt them from loud and rude crowd?
Brooklyn, New York, many, many, many other cities. Where did I say I exempted them from anything? I asked you why you were obsessed and which US cities you were talking about. I think hearing it on loud speakers would be just as annoying as hearing other prayers on loud speakers. |
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Jeanniebean
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Fri 04/05/13 07:17 PM
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? I don't understand the question. I was not aware that "the United States" had a list of "recognized religions." Of course they do. If they didn't everyone would invent their own religion for tax exempt status... Um.... no they don't. We are allowed to invent any religion we like. That's were religions come from. We invent them.
your wrong
All you have to do to be a religion or start one is create a non-profit organization based on a belief, get ordained by any legitimate church, and to have your own church, have meetings, and do some charity work. No, they don't have a list that you can't get on pretty easy. Paul Twitchell, founded Eckankar after writing some books, gaining a following and filing for a non-profit status. He ordained himself and claimed to be the representative of God for the entire universe. He was on the list...as a legitimate religion. All "religions" begin as "cults" including Christianity. |
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Islam is a religion, no? Why would you exepmt them from loud and rude crowd?
Brooklyn, New York, many, many, many other cities. Where did I say I exempted them from anything? I asked you why you were obsessed and which US cities you were talking about. I think hearing it on loud speakers would be just as annoying as hearing other prayers on loud speakers. No one is suing them for not abiding by our Constitution. Why not? |
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Islam is a religion, no? Why would you exepmt them from loud and rude crowd?
Brooklyn, New York, many, many, many other cities. Where did I say I exempted them from anything? I asked you why you were obsessed and which US cities you were talking about. I think hearing it on loud speakers would be just as annoying as hearing other prayers on loud speakers. No one is suing them for not abiding by our Constitution. Why not? I haven't sued anyone, so I'm not the one to ask that. You still haven't told us why you're obsessed with muslims and try to turn every topic into something about them. |
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Islam is a religion, no? Why would you exepmt them from loud and rude crowd?
Brooklyn, New York, many, many, many other cities. Where did I say I exempted them from anything? I asked you why you were obsessed and which US cities you were talking about. I think hearing it on loud speakers would be just as annoying as hearing other prayers on loud speakers. No one is suing them for not abiding by our Constitution. Why not? I haven't sued anyone, so I'm not the one to ask that. You still haven't told us why you're obsessed with muslims and try to turn every topic into something about them. He hates Muslims. (That could be called being anti-semitic because essentially, Most Muslims are Semitics.) No offense meant to him of course. I get called anti-Semitic for criticizing Zionism. |
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? I don't understand the question. I was not aware that "the United States" had a list of "recognized religions." Of course they do. If they didn't everyone would invent their own religion for tax exempt status... Um.... no they don't. We are allowed to invent any religion we like. That's were religions come from. We invent them.
your wrong
All you have to do to be a religion or start one is create a non-profit organization based on a belief, get ordained by any legitimate church, and to have your own church, have meetings, and do some charity work. No, they don't have a list that you can't get on pretty easy. Paul Twitchell, founded Eckankar after writing some books, gaining a following and filing for a non-profit status. He ordained himself and claimed to be the representative of God for the entire universe. He was on the list...as a legitimate religion. All "religions" begin as "cults" including Christianity. US has recognized religions according to the government. i never said how difficult or easy it was. You said the didnt have it, thus u r wrong |
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Edited by
willing2
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Fri 04/05/13 07:30 PM
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Islam is a religion, no? Why would you exepmt them from loud and rude crowd?
Brooklyn, New York, many, many, many other cities. Where did I say I exempted them from anything? I asked you why you were obsessed and which US cities you were talking about. I think hearing it on loud speakers would be just as annoying as hearing other prayers on loud speakers. No one is suing them for not abiding by our Constitution. Why not? I haven't sued anyone, so I'm not the one to ask that. You still haven't told us why you're obsessed with muslims and try to turn every topic into something about them. I don't see the point in excluding any religion from being loud and obnoxious. Folks want to sue over quietly done public prayer and not a damn thing is said about the loud and obnoxious ghetto blasting the Islamists do. Not one fckin' thing about hate. Why are all my posts referred to as hate instead of focusing on the public rude and unconstitutional ghetto blasting. That is pushing a faith off on others, IMO. |
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I don't see the point in excluding any religion from being loud and obnoxious.
Folks want to sue over quietly done public prayer and not a damn thing is said about the loud and obnoxious ghetto blasting the Islamists do. Not one fckin' thing about hate. Why are all my posts referred to as hate instead of focusing on the public rude and unconstitutional ghetto blasting. That is oushing faith off on others, IMO. Probably because you try to turn every thread into something against muslims. That would be the reason people think you hate them. |
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I don't see the point in excluding any religion from being loud and obnoxious.
Folks want to sue over quietly done public prayer and not a damn thing is said about the loud and obnoxious ghetto blasting the Islamists do. Not one fckin' thing about hate. Why are all my posts referred to as hate instead of focusing on the public rude and unconstitutional ghetto blasting. That is oushing faith off on others, IMO. Probably because you try to turn every thread into something against muslims. That would be the reason people think you hate them. Are your posts about Christians praying because you hate them? I have seen other religions pointed out here. Why are those posters not called haters? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 04/05/13 07:35 PM
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? I don't understand the question. I was not aware that "the United States" had a list of "recognized religions." Of course they do. If they didn't everyone would invent their own religion for tax exempt status... Um.... no they don't. We are allowed to invent any religion we like. That's were religions come from. We invent them.
your wrong
All you have to do to be a religion or start one is create a non-profit organization based on a belief, get ordained by any legitimate church, and to have your own church, have meetings, and do some charity work. No, they don't have a list that you can't get on pretty easy. Paul Twitchell, founded Eckankar after writing some books, gaining a following and filing for a non-profit status. He ordained himself and claimed to be the representative of God for the entire universe. He was on the list...as a legitimate religion. All "religions" begin as "cults" including Christianity. US has recognized religions according to the government. i never said how difficult or easy it was. You said the didnt have it, thus u r wrong Their 'list' is easy to get on so its NO BIG DEAL REALLY. They only care about the corporate status of the organization anyway. Any non-profit organization can claim to be a church, and a church still must contribute a certain amount of charity to society in order to maintain their non profit status. It does not matter if you call yourself a church.... it is the corporate status that the government looks at. Every church has to be a corporation no matter what "religion" they claim to be. |
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You didn't answer my question. what do you think would actually happen IN A REAL LIFE SITUATION if a skull and bones member who worships Moloch demands to say his prayer? Or what if a Muslim member demands to say his prayer? The entire meeting could be taken up with everyone saying their prayers. It is either that, or pick one specific religion and force everyone in attendance to listen to a prayer to a god they don't believe in. Nope, it should not be allowed. Is that a religion recognized by the united states? I don't understand the question. I was not aware that "the United States" had a list of "recognized religions." Of course they do. If they didn't everyone would invent their own religion for tax exempt status... Um.... no they don't. We are allowed to invent any religion we like. That's were religions come from. We invent them.
your wrong
All you have to do to be a religion or start one is create a non-profit organization based on a belief, get ordained by any legitimate church, and to have your own church, have meetings, and do some charity work. No, they don't have a list that you can't get on pretty easy. Paul Twitchell, founded Eckankar after writing some books, gaining a following and filing for a non-profit status. He ordained himself and claimed to be the representative of God for the entire universe. He was on the list...as a legitimate religion. All "religions" begin as "cults" including Christianity. US has recognized religions according to the government. i never said how difficult or easy it was. You said the didnt have it, thus u r wrong Their 'list' is easy to get on so its NO BIG DEAL REALLY. They only care about the corporate status of the organization anyway. Any non-profit organization can claim to be a church, and a church still must contribute a certain amount of charity to society in order to maintain their non profit status. It does not matter if you call yourself a church.... it is the corporate status that the government looks at. Every church has to be a corporation no matter what "religion" they claim to be. Hell. I been ordained fer near 10 years now. Just never sent in the $25.00 fer the paper. Here is a small sample. You even get to name yer own church. Open Ministry: Get Ordained for Free and become a minister today Get ordained for free with the open ministry and become a minister today. ... services, perform all other sacerdotal duties of a minister, or start your own church. www.open-ministry.org/ Free Online Ordination - Become a Minister - Universal Life Church Get ordained online free at the Universal Life Church and become a minister. Perform ... You can even start your own ministry. GET ORDAINED NOW. You don' t ... www.themonastery.org/ordination Benefits Of Online Ordination - Universal Life Church You can start your own church or ministry and people will look upon you with respect when ... We highly recommend you get ordained online with the ULC today! www.ulc.org/ulc-network/benefits-of-online-ordination/ Ordain me now, become a legally ordained minister, 24 hour phone ... Be ordained without delay and start your own church or start your on ministry. ... all the wonderful new opportunities that are open to you after being ordained. www.ordain.org/ |
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I don't see the point in excluding any religion from being loud and obnoxious.
Folks want to sue over quietly done public prayer and not a damn thing is said about the loud and obnoxious ghetto blasting the Islamists do. Not one fckin' thing about hate. Why are all my posts referred to as hate instead of focusing on the public rude and unconstitutional ghetto blasting. That is oushing faith off on others, IMO. Probably because you try to turn every thread into something against muslims. That would be the reason people think you hate them. Are your posts about Christians praying because you hate them? I have seen other religions pointed out here. Why are those posters not called haters? If you've paid attention, I've said I don't care if any people want to pray. They can pray anywhere they want. Do you really think that means I hate them? |
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