Topic: Prop 8 Case Arguments Cast Doubt On Gay Marriage Ban
mightymoe's photo
Tue 03/26/13 06:26 PM






If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


same thing, what are you talking about?

Kleisto's photo
Tue 03/26/13 06:28 PM







If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


same thing, what are you talking about?


what do you mean same thing??? what the hell are YOU talking about dude?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 03/26/13 06:31 PM








If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


same thing, what are you talking about?


what do you mean same thing??? what the hell are YOU talking about dude?


butt sex is butt sex... pretty deviant behavior, no matter what butt...

no photo
Tue 03/26/13 06:48 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Tue 03/26/13 06:56 PM






If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


Both are immoral.

Also I have a problem with the children being put into this debate.

That is just child exploitation.

The children have been forced into the position they are in.

They were conceived hetersexually and forced into homosexual family life.

Then brainwashed into thinking it's ok.
Brainwashed into thinking it's a human right.

Homosexuality is centered around deception.

Kleisto's photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:06 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Tue 03/26/13 07:09 PM







If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


Both are immoral.

Also I have a problem with the children being put into this debate.

That is just child exploitation.

The children have been forced into the position they are in.

They were conceived hetersexually and forced into homosexual family life.

Then brainwashed into thinking it's ok.
Brainwashed into thinking it's a human right.

Homosexuality is centered around deception.


Well I have a problem with children being forced into RELIGION. They're brainwashed into thinking it's right and true, it's centered around deception. They were conceived and forced into religious life. Talk about exploitation, you're one to talk! How do you like that?? Two can play that game!

And homosexuality is only immoral to those brainwashed to think it's so.....

Kleisto's photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:07 PM









If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


same thing, what are you talking about?


what do you mean same thing??? what the hell are YOU talking about dude?


butt sex is butt sex... pretty deviant behavior, no matter what butt...


But again I wasn't arguing for it! I was arguing against it! Can you read????

no photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:25 PM








If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


Both are immoral.

Also I have a problem with the children being put into this debate.

That is just child exploitation.

The children have been forced into the position they are in.

They were conceived hetersexually and forced into homosexual family life.

Then brainwashed into thinking it's ok.
Brainwashed into thinking it's a human right.

Homosexuality is centered around deception.


Well I have a problem with children being forced into RELIGION. They're brainwashed into thinking it's right and true, it's centered around deception. They were conceived and forced into religious life. Talk about exploitation, you're one to talk! How do you like that?? Two can play that game!

And homosexuality is only immoral to those brainwashed to think it's so.....


Christianity...fortifies moral bounderies.
Sexual immorality opens the door to all sorts of other behaviors.


no photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:34 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Tue 03/26/13 07:36 PM
Homosexuality is corrupting our children.

No wonder our youth are so troubled today.

What a selfish society we live in!

Self-gratification at any expense!

That's what you are teaching your children!





msharmony's photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:37 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 03/26/13 07:41 PM


Homosexuality is corrupting our children.

No wonder our youth are so troubled today.

What a selfish society we live in today!

Self-gratification at any expense!

That what you are teaching your children!





we have greyed the lines between love and sex

if all love is good, than any sex that comes from love is good,,,if it is consentual


I dont agree with the philosophy, but it has gained quite a bit of momentum in the years since APA removed homosexuality from its list of sexual deviant behaviors,,,,

I teach my child, just like many people choose diets that arent good for them, many choose lifestyles that are not good for them either

but we should not condemn people for poor choices, only pray that they gain wisdeom to make better choices


bad choices dont equal bad people,, at least not to me....

Kleisto's photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:47 PM









If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


Both are immoral.

Also I have a problem with the children being put into this debate.

That is just child exploitation.

The children have been forced into the position they are in.

They were conceived hetersexually and forced into homosexual family life.

Then brainwashed into thinking it's ok.
Brainwashed into thinking it's a human right.

Homosexuality is centered around deception.


Well I have a problem with children being forced into RELIGION. They're brainwashed into thinking it's right and true, it's centered around deception. They were conceived and forced into religious life. Talk about exploitation, you're one to talk! How do you like that?? Two can play that game!

And homosexuality is only immoral to those brainwashed to think it's so.....


Christianity...fortifies moral bounderies.
Sexual immorality opens the door to all sorts of other behaviors.




Opinion only, and BS it teaches obedience to others, nothing else. You don't need a god damn book or church to teach proper morals and if you do, you got more problems than those things are gonna give you.

Kleisto's photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:52 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Tue 03/26/13 07:56 PM

Homosexuality is corrupting our children.

No wonder our youth are so troubled today.

What a selfish society we live in!

Self-gratification at any expense!

That's what you are teaching your children!


No you wanna know WHY youth are so troubled? Because no one is EDUCATING THEM! Everyone is saying don't do this, don't do that, instead of teaching them how to be RESPONSIBLE! THAT is what the problem is. Banning and shaming NEVER works! And what you're getting is what happens when you use that exclusively, plain and simple. I would know I am a product of your type of thinking and it messed me up for YEARS! No one ever told me a god damn thing except NO, no one taught me how to properly handle what I felt, it was all NO! It doesn't work!

So you wanna help kids? LISTEN to them, EDUCATE them, DON'T dictate to them! Otherwise you beg for rebellion, and that's where they get into trouble because they have no one to guide them. It's as simple as that.

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:56 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 03/26/13 07:58 PM










If the pro-homosexers want this thing to pass, have them include bestiality in the works.

Man-man, woman-woman, man-goat, woman-burro.

Same moral aptitude.


again BULL. Unless you can prove without doubt an animal can consent to such a thing like a human being can, the argument has NO basis in reality whatsoever. NONE, they are NOT the same thing. Same would go for pedophilia too.....god how I love the extreme arguments.....truly.

There are plenty videos around of women doing burros.
Same as men doing burros and goats.
None of them screamed rape or said they wouldn't bump dat a$$.


Can you PROVE they consent? No you can't, so sorry it doesn't work.


just because your moral standards are lower than most peoples doesn't mean everyone has to think like you...




How is defending AGAINST the idea of bestiality being put on the same level as same sex marriage mean I have lower moral standards? that's bass ackwards!


Both are immoral.

Also I have a problem with the children being put into this debate.

That is just child exploitation.

The children have been forced into the position they are in.

They were conceived hetersexually and forced into homosexual family life.

Then brainwashed into thinking it's ok.
Brainwashed into thinking it's a human right.

Homosexuality is centered around deception.


Well I have a problem with children being forced into RELIGION. They're brainwashed into thinking it's right and true, it's centered around deception. They were conceived and forced into religious life. Talk about exploitation, you're one to talk! How do you like that?? Two can play that game!

And homosexuality is only immoral to those brainwashed to think it's so.....


Christianity...fortifies moral bounderies.
Sexual immorality opens the door to all sorts of other behaviors.




Opinion only, and BS it teaches obedience to others, nothing else. You don't need a god damn book or church to teach proper morals and if you do, you got more problems than those things are gonna give you.


books are in animate,, they dont teach,, people teach

and people in and out of religion teach their children the values and standards they choose

bible doesnt force those values on anyone, people CHOOSE the values that make sense to them and they pass them to their children,,,,

obedience is a good thing, without it there is chaos

what is dangerous is obedience without logic or reason or REBELLION Without logic or reason,,,

for instance, if my mom and dad who love me , sacrifice for my sake, and have no reason to want harm to come to me,,,,tell me at 16 that its best for me to finish school before having children

I will (obediently) trust their experience and intentions and that value will be a part of those I consider important as they do

but, if I decide I cant stand them or trust them, and they tell me not to touch the fire, but I insist they should be letting me do whatever I Want and then touch the fire anyway,,, I will most likely get burned,,,as I had no reason to not be obedient except for the sake of rebelling against a rule,,,,

obedience, although to some seems a bad word, is no less than TRUST in the wisdom/authority/experience of whomever is giving direction,,,,

some have so little trust in anyone, they find 'obedience' a foreign and dangerous thing

others who do trust, find obedience quite a necessary and natural part of living within a society as opposed to in a tunnel,,,,

Kleisto's photo
Tue 03/26/13 07:58 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Tue 03/26/13 07:59 PM

obedience is a good thing, without it there is chaos

what is dangerous is obedience without logic or reason


That sums up religion right there, there IS no logic or reason in it.

And on the other it depends who you are obeying.....and why. If it's someone else trying to run your life......I'll pass and make my own choices thanks. Only people who are afraid to take responsibility for their own lives are afraid of that type of freedom.

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/26/13 08:02 PM


obedience is a good thing, without it there is chaos

what is dangerous is obedience without logic or reason


That sums up religion right there, there IS no logic or reason in it.

And on the other it depends who you are obeying.....and why. If it's someone else trying to run your life......I'll pass and make my own choices thanks. Only people who are afraid to take responsibility for their own lives are afraid of that type of freedom.



yeah, no reason to be afraid of 'freedom' , but plenty of reason to fear 'absolute freedom' with billions of people occupying the same earth,,,

having rules which guide the running of a home is not the same as running a life,, anymore than running of a government is the same as running a life

and religion has as much logic as any other institution,,,,,the bible has as much logic as any other 'historical' book,,,,

Kleisto's photo
Tue 03/26/13 08:04 PM



obedience is a good thing, without it there is chaos

what is dangerous is obedience without logic or reason


That sums up religion right there, there IS no logic or reason in it.

And on the other it depends who you are obeying.....and why. If it's someone else trying to run your life......I'll pass and make my own choices thanks. Only people who are afraid to take responsibility for their own lives are afraid of that type of freedom.



yeah, no reason to be afraid of 'freedom' , but plenty of reason to fear 'absolute freedom' with billions of people occupying the same earth,,,

having rules which guide the running of a home is not the same as running a life,, anymore than running of a government is the same as running a life

and religion has as much logic as any other institution,,,,,the bible has as much logic as any other 'historical' book,,,,


********, it's the least logical of any "historical" book out there. People have just been conditioned to think otherwise.

As for the rest I'll say it again, people who are afraid of taking responsibility of their own lives are afraid of absolute freedom. And not saying others won't do bad things, people always do, law or no law, but the ends don't justify the means, not now, not ever.

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/26/13 08:07 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 03/26/13 08:10 PM




obedience is a good thing, without it there is chaos

what is dangerous is obedience without logic or reason


That sums up religion right there, there IS no logic or reason in it.

And on the other it depends who you are obeying.....and why. If it's someone else trying to run your life......I'll pass and make my own choices thanks. Only people who are afraid to take responsibility for their own lives are afraid of that type of freedom.



yeah, no reason to be afraid of 'freedom' , but plenty of reason to fear 'absolute freedom' with billions of people occupying the same earth,,,

having rules which guide the running of a home is not the same as running a life,, anymore than running of a government is the same as running a life

and religion has as much logic as any other institution,,,,,the bible has as much logic as any other 'historical' book,,,,


********, it's the least logical of any "historical" book out there. People have just been conditioned to think otherwise.

As for the rest I'll say it again, people who are afraid of taking responsibility of their own lives are afraid of absolute freedom. And not saying others won't do bad things, people always do, law or no law, but the ends don't justify the means, not now, not ever.


so the ten commandments are not logical? the sermon on the mount? forgiveness, repentance, marriage, death,, all illogical huh?

the book is full of logic, but people who are offended by the rules and guidelines dismiss all of that to pursue their owh moral standards,,,

the ends dont justify the means,,,,,

says someone living amongst the safety of a culture with no 'absolute' freedom,,,,

after all, our constitution could have just said

'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
United States of America.

Article 1.

Every american citizen shall here forward be absolutely free to do anything they want at any time, as long as it doesnt cause destruction to the person or property of others,,,,

PERIOD,,,


LOL

however, its quite a bit lengthier,, because guidelines and lawsz in a SOCIETY is necessary,,,,

no photo
Tue 03/26/13 08:51 PM
I'm planning to marry my arm chair whether the GOV likes it or not

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/26/13 09:00 PM

I'm planning to marry my arm chair whether the GOV likes it or not


lol,,,noone can stop ya,, but dont expect the government to feel obligated to validate such a 'marriage' with licensing,,,,l

Kleisto's photo
Tue 03/26/13 09:31 PM





obedience is a good thing, without it there is chaos

what is dangerous is obedience without logic or reason


That sums up religion right there, there IS no logic or reason in it.

And on the other it depends who you are obeying.....and why. If it's someone else trying to run your life......I'll pass and make my own choices thanks. Only people who are afraid to take responsibility for their own lives are afraid of that type of freedom.



yeah, no reason to be afraid of 'freedom' , but plenty of reason to fear 'absolute freedom' with billions of people occupying the same earth,,,

having rules which guide the running of a home is not the same as running a life,, anymore than running of a government is the same as running a life

and religion has as much logic as any other institution,,,,,the bible has as much logic as any other 'historical' book,,,,


********, it's the least logical of any "historical" book out there. People have just been conditioned to think otherwise.

As for the rest I'll say it again, people who are afraid of taking responsibility of their own lives are afraid of absolute freedom. And not saying others won't do bad things, people always do, law or no law, but the ends don't justify the means, not now, not ever.


so the ten commandments are not logical? the sermon on the mount? forgiveness, repentance, marriage, death,, all illogical huh?

the book is full of logic, but people who are offended by the rules and guidelines dismiss all of that to pursue their owh moral standards,,,

the ends dont justify the means,,,,,

says someone living amongst the safety of a culture with no 'absolute' freedom,,,,

after all, our constitution could have just said

'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
United States of America.

Article 1.

Every american citizen shall here forward be absolutely free to do anything they want at any time, as long as it doesnt cause destruction to the person or property of others,,,,

PERIOD,,,


LOL

however, its quite a bit lengthier,, because guidelines and lawsz in a SOCIETY is necessary,,,,


No because man has a thirst for power.....universal law of not harming another is really the only law you need, anything else is just man trying to control another.

And I will say that there are certain truths in the Bible CERTAIN TRUTHS ONLY, but the rest of it is utter bunk. The idea that God DEMANDS anything of anyone obedience wise with death if you don't comply speaks to a being with an ego complex, not a loving God. That's where the logic ends where that crap begins.

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/26/13 09:37 PM






obedience is a good thing, without it there is chaos

what is dangerous is obedience without logic or reason


That sums up religion right there, there IS no logic or reason in it.

And on the other it depends who you are obeying.....and why. If it's someone else trying to run your life......I'll pass and make my own choices thanks. Only people who are afraid to take responsibility for their own lives are afraid of that type of freedom.



yeah, no reason to be afraid of 'freedom' , but plenty of reason to fear 'absolute freedom' with billions of people occupying the same earth,,,

having rules which guide the running of a home is not the same as running a life,, anymore than running of a government is the same as running a life

and religion has as much logic as any other institution,,,,,the bible has as much logic as any other 'historical' book,,,,


********, it's the least logical of any "historical" book out there. People have just been conditioned to think otherwise.

As for the rest I'll say it again, people who are afraid of taking responsibility of their own lives are afraid of absolute freedom. And not saying others won't do bad things, people always do, law or no law, but the ends don't justify the means, not now, not ever.


so the ten commandments are not logical? the sermon on the mount? forgiveness, repentance, marriage, death,, all illogical huh?

the book is full of logic, but people who are offended by the rules and guidelines dismiss all of that to pursue their owh moral standards,,,

the ends dont justify the means,,,,,

says someone living amongst the safety of a culture with no 'absolute' freedom,,,,

after all, our constitution could have just said

'We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
United States of America.

Article 1.

Every american citizen shall here forward be absolutely free to do anything they want at any time, as long as it doesnt cause destruction to the person or property of others,,,,

PERIOD,,,


LOL

however, its quite a bit lengthier,, because guidelines and lawsz in a SOCIETY is necessary,,,,


No because man has a thirst for power.....universal law of not harming another is really the only law you need, anything else is just man trying to control another.

And I will say that there are certain truths in the Bible CERTAIN TRUTHS ONLY, but the rest of it is utter bunk. The idea that God DEMANDS anything of anyone obedience wise with death if you don't comply speaks to a being with an ego complex, not a loving God. That's where the logic ends where that crap begins.



perception of love is subjective and emotional

has nothing to do with logic

he is a loving and JUST God

consequence, punishment, reward, repentance, ,, are all part of JUSTICE

but many believe only reward and inaction are 'loving'