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I just felt like opening cans of worms today. Do you think government is too involved in our lives when they can say whether or not you can be married? If two people love each other, what's the big deal? How do you think the Supreme Court will rule? I think they will strike down anti-homosexual marriage laws myself, as there is no grounds for them not to be able to marry. The dictionary already includes homosexual couples as married, slowly our society changes. As for me, I hate to see the word 'marriage' changed, but once again I can not put my values on another. So I will not fight this action, I will let God sort it out. Normally I won't touch any topic in this section, but here is one exception. I love the English language, as I have learned it. It is the world's most elastic and creative on-going language on this planet. It evolves and revolves in its adaptability. Hence my opinion on the word and 'classical' meaning of marriage. It is totally irrelevant to even think that 'the old meaning' should be regarded in such a negative way as "I can not put my values on another." OH? All Christians and even those who are not have a duty and obligation to do just that if the society in which they live and are part of to keep it stable from things that just may de-stabilize it. Christians of all denominations have a stronger duty and moral obligation to do this regardless of those wishing to change, alter and potentially de-stabilize your basic form of society, it's historic/ religious origins/ foundations which is Christian, as was the denominations of the majority of those who founded your country. Impose! Set limits! There is absolutely no reason for the homosexual elements of your society to steal the sanctity of the word 'marriage' and totally change its very origin. Let them invent a new word for a totally new legality that will recognize their new status. There are any number of possibilities to form a new term without using and demeaning the word or concept of marriage for Christians anywhere. "Spousal Contract" or Union of Spousal Wedlock"; having a Certificate of Spousal Bond or Conjugality....; Wedlock Contract; Communal Contract of Spousal Conjugality...hold contests for a new term(s), write your ideas down and send it off to that political crook you voted for that is supposed to represent YOU in your House and Senate! New situations should have new words to describe them. English is elastic and flexible; find a new term and leave the word 'marriage' alone. Do your God a favour and do not 'let God do it'; help God out for a change; stop taking the lazy Christian's way out of responsibility. Stand up for both yourselves and your denominational ideals of your God... |
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Christians duty is to stand up for God's Word, for it is not only His spiritual code of conduct but ours. Homosexuality is a sin—the lifestyle is considered abominable by God, not the person, for if they choose they can repent and be transformed by God. I don't go around bashing people in the head with it, but I will speak up about it if the situation arises. The greatest victory the devil gets is when believers don't do or say anything. I’m a curious person so actually have a two part question for you, as the first person to mention it... While marriage obviously has a specific religious significance to you as a Christian, the significance is different for people of other religions, and to those with no religious affiliation at all. Do you feel that only Christians should be allowed to marry? If homosexuality being an abomination is the main reason Christians protest their right to “marry”, then shouldn’t women who wear men’s clothing and people who; sew two kinds of seeds in their soil, wear clothes woven of two different cloth, eat shellfish, re-marry their ex wives who have had another husband, craft molten or graven images, also be denied the legal right to marry? According to the Bible, these and 102 other things are ALL abominations in the eyes of the Lord. I would like to understand why every Christian I know takes more offense to homosexuality than to any other abomination. Might I add it says stone them to death and they don't, so none of them are standing up for the word of God. The Bible explicitly states the exercise of free will, God wants people to come to him of their own volition because He knows forced obedience just harbors resentment and rebellion. The Bible also states judge not, for that is God's province. So we should not judge others who exercise their free will, regardless of how repulsive or deranged from nature it is. God will sort it out. I do not condone homosexuality, but it is not my place to force my beliefs on another who might not believe in God or whatever, etc. The two people involved in the behavior only hurt themselves, imo. It seems as though your views have evolved a bit since this subject has been previously discussed here. Good for you. I can understand people not condoning if they believe it's a sin, but good for not trying to force others to feel the same. Not really. My views are the same, but as a person who believes in freedom for all I just realized I should not put restrictions on another because I don't care for what they are doing. Maybe your views haven't evolved, but you have. That's a good thing. |
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Edited by
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Sat 03/23/13 11:54 AM
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well, one thing people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as total freedom... some laws just need to be there, for the good of the people... i don't care if anyone is gay or not, i just don't see the need for all the "advertising" gay people do... i would like for someone to tell me what the gays cannot get out of common law marriage that others get by being married... Advertising? Do you mean like straight people do by showing/telling people they're straight? yea, the NORMAL thing... |
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I just felt like opening cans of worms today. Do you think government is too involved in our lives when they can say whether or not you can be married? If two people love each other, what's the big deal? How do you think the Supreme Court will rule? I think they will strike down anti-homosexual marriage laws myself, as there is no grounds for them not to be able to marry. The dictionary already includes homosexual couples as married, slowly our society changes. As for me, I hate to see the word 'marriage' changed, but once again I can not put my values on another. So I will not fight this action, I will let God sort it out. I dont think the government is too involved in deciding how it will DEFINE Marriage, that is different from saying who can be married though,,, people can be married without government if they so choose, but if they choose goverment support, validation,,etc,, they need to have government define what will be considered marriage (in the governments eyes) your right, anyone can get married... it's who they marry that is the issue.. and i guess gays want government support with their marriage... lots of love here, huh... |
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well, one thing people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as total freedom... some laws just need to be there, for the good of the people... i don't care if anyone is gay or not, i just don't see the need for all the "advertising" gay people do... i would like for someone to tell me what the gays cannot get out of common law marriage that others get by being married... The only reason they "advertise" is because people judge them. If people stopped JUDGING them, maybe this wouldn't be a problem. Think about it dude....... And short of that, the good of the people line is bunch of bs, most laws that remove a personal right of one person are about CONTROL, not good of the people. How does it personally effect you if gays marry, tell me how. And no that it hurts your moral code doesn't count. Get over yourself. As for common law, you do realize it takes 10 years for that to go into effect......what happens if someone dies or they split before then? SOL? It's not the same at all. maybe you should read more about common law marriage... it may vary from state to state, but i have never heard of ten years... doesn't count? don't try to tell me what counts or doesn't count in my world, if i'm against gays marrying, then i'm against it, and none of your business why... it's mainly pushy people like you that says i have to is one of the main reasons i'm against it. so, get over yourself and don't tell me how or what to think... you wanna go marry your "partner", go for it, but i will never be at one of of these "ignorant" affairs... No it doesn't count, because just cause you get all butthurt over gays marrying, doesn't give you the right to tell them they can't. It's not a damn bit of your concern, so stay out of their lives. They don't tell a straight person they can't marry can they? You are not the center of the universe, others live in it too and they may want to things different from you, deal with it. If you wanna stay prejudiced though feel free, but don't be surprised when people call you on it or push back. in your little mind, you might think it doesn't count, but guess what: your not the only one on the planet... don't even try to shove your beliefs on me, it won't work... thats the problem with gays like you, your so worried about what others think that you cannot function is society because you have this need to be accepted by everyone... another news flash: not everybody cares what the hell you do... i don't, and never will... so you can keep on with the name calling, like a little baby, or you can accept the fact that not everyone on the planet will agree with your viewpoints and stop attacking people that don't agree with them... and by the way, it's not racist, race has nothing to do with this... so you have any other inept names you wanna call me? Why do people assume that those who stick up for gay rights, or who are even just ok with gay people, are gay themselves? does it matter what i think? |
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Let's stop talking about homosexuals and maybe they will go away.
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Let's stop talking about homosexuals and maybe they will go away. lol, thats the advertising i was talking about... |
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Edited by
willing2
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Sat 03/23/13 04:34 PM
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View from the Muslim community on homosexer marriage. The agenda to legalise gay marriage has now become a huge problem. Politicians and celebrities alike are falling over themselves to be seen supporting this abomination which is promoted as the greatest civil rights issue of our time. One would have expected such a major civil rights issue to have made it into the manifestos of the three main political parties; yet a firm commitment was conspicuous by its absence in all three parties’ manifestos. This Same Sex Marriage Bill is not aimed at changing the legislation regarding what marriage is per se, yet it is most definitely aimed at changing a universal Divine law that has been established since the creation of mankind. The gay lobby has invested much time, effort and money in changing the public’s perception of homosexuality and has effectively created a public fear of criticism against this unnatural act with the label of ‘homophobia’. In fact, along with the help of morally degenerate people in society they have terrorised others not to speak out or show any form of objection to their agenda. It is shocking to see a Conservative government, which on one hand is seemingly adamant to “preserve British Values” and morality, then acting cowardly and accepting this fundamental change to the oldest institution known to man: the stability of the society; a stable and natural family unit. During the recent debate about Same Sex Marriage (SSM), there has been a clear absence of the Muslim voice; this is a reflection of the fear within the Muslim community and in particular Muslim institutions to raise their concerns. When the Church of England and the Catholic Church do not cower from questioning the absurdity of the government in its attempt to re-define marriage and when their religious leaders openly oppose this misguided agenda, they are well within their rights to question the lack of a vocal response from the Muslim community. Yet this is more than about how we are perceived by others. Muslims have to be undeniably clear and vocal in opposing this bill. I should make it clear that any Muslims who do not do anything to oppose this bill while he or she can do something even if it is minimal, are sinful and will be questioned about this at the Day of Judgment. You're Muslim now? No. I share their sentiments on anti-homosexing. They are killing homosexers around the globe. Is their right to kill them right? To have an opinion on homosexing, do you have to be one? |
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well, one thing people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as total freedom... some laws just need to be there, for the good of the people... i don't care if anyone is gay or not, i just don't see the need for all the "advertising" gay people do... i would like for someone to tell me what the gays cannot get out of common law marriage that others get by being married... Advertising? Do you mean like straight people do by showing/telling people they're straight? yea, the NORMAL thing... So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... |
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. |
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good. |
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good. That sir, is one great reason to fight against any Muslim majority. PS The NOI is growing in numbers. They are threats to freedoms as well as politicians. |
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Homosexuals, huh?
hmmmmmmmm I'll take my very first thoughts: The majority of women these days look like dudes. Dudes are walking around with breasts. I almost don't care at this point. |
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good. If two people have a relationship that I don't agree with, fine. just keep it away from me. I don't care or want to see it. They don't want to see my relationships nor I theirs. For some reason, they want the public to see and approve theirs? Not. Good grief, how hard is that to understand? |
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good. If two people have a relationship that I don't agree with, fine. just keep it away from me. I don't care or want to see it. They don't want to see my relationships nor I theirs. For some reason, they want the public to see and approve theirs? Not. Good grief, how hard is that to understand? How hard is it to understand that it's not fair to treat them as second class citizens just cause of who they choose to be with? That it's ok for you to go out with your wife or gf on a date, but they can't? And by the way, they are not forcing you to hide your relationship, so don't even try that argument, you are the only one forcing anything here, not them. |
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Let's stop talking about homosexuals and maybe they will go away. lol, thats the same thing some say about bigotry and racism,, only exists because people wont stop talking about it, very silly logic,,,lol |
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good. That sir, is one great reason to fight against any Muslim majority. PS The NOI is growing in numbers. They are threats to freedoms as well as politicians. noi follows islam, but they are not violent unless provoked, which according to all the pro gun people here, should absolutely be their right,,, |
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good. If two people have a relationship that I don't agree with, fine. just keep it away from me. I don't care or want to see it. They don't want to see my relationships nor I theirs. For some reason, they want the public to see and approve theirs? Not. Good grief, how hard is that to understand? How hard is it to understand that it's not fair to treat them as second class citizens just cause of who they choose to be with? That it's ok for you to go out with your wife or gf on a date, but they can't? And by the way, they are not forcing you to hide your relationship, so don't even try that argument, you are the only one forcing anything here, not them. about as many people are 'forced' to hid their sexual preference as are ''forced' to tolerate it,,, thats life there are situaitons where sexual preference has little to do with the environment and doesnt HAVE to be displayed to others,,, unless people are incapable of being friends anymore, its just as easy to carry on without romance in front of others as it is to flaunt and display it and we all have the choice which things we will flaunt, while understanding and accepting the reaction we may get based upon where we are,,,, |
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good. If two people have a relationship that I don't agree with, fine. just keep it away from me. I don't care or want to see it. They don't want to see my relationships nor I theirs. For some reason, they want the public to see and approve theirs? Not. Good grief, how hard is that to understand? How hard is it to understand that it's not fair to treat them as second class citizens just cause of who they choose to be with? That it's ok for you to go out with your wife or gf on a date, but they can't? And by the way, they are not forcing you to hide your relationship, so don't even try that argument, you are the only one forcing anything here, not them. about as many people are 'forced' to hid their sexual preference as are ''forced' to tolerate it,,, thats life there are situaitons where sexual preference has little to do with the environment and doesnt HAVE to be displayed to others,,, unless people are incapable of being friends anymore, its just as easy to carry on without romance in front of others as it is to flaunt and display it and we all have the choice which things we will flaunt, while understanding and accepting the reaction we may get based upon where we are,,,, Ok? 
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So in other words......because two people are in a relationship YOU don't agree with.....they have to hide it from the public entirely? How very loving of you.....for not being a Christian, you sure are acting like a lot of them do on this..... Many countries, they better hide or they wind up hung. And that don't mean as like a horse. This is true, either way though, either hung or just forced away from society in general, neither one is good. If two people have a relationship that I don't agree with, fine. just keep it away from me. I don't care or want to see it. They don't want to see my relationships nor I theirs. For some reason, they want the public to see and approve theirs? Not. Good grief, how hard is that to understand? How hard is it to understand that it's not fair to treat them as second class citizens just cause of who they choose to be with? That it's ok for you to go out with your wife or gf on a date, but they can't? And by the way, they are not forcing you to hide your relationship, so don't even try that argument, you are the only one forcing anything here, not them. about as many people are 'forced' to hid their sexual preference as are ''forced' to tolerate it,,, thats life there are situaitons where sexual preference has little to do with the environment and doesnt HAVE to be displayed to others,,, unless people are incapable of being friends anymore, its just as easy to carry on without romance in front of others as it is to flaunt and display it and we all have the choice which things we will flaunt, while understanding and accepting the reaction we may get based upon where we are,,,, Ok? lost ya? |
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