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some women actaully look very nice with shorter hair and like to style it. Personally I think short hair is too high maintenance. but most of us have outgrown the gene evolution that says we must look nice for men. We look nice for ourselves so it's about time that men outgrow the likes long hair gene seems, once againm a little high school....jmho also perhaps (probably) some of us are interested in men who care more about what we are like on the inside So, if men don't like it, forget men. The problem with it is that we don't out grow our genetic programming for a very long time. Like thousands of years. The reality is that men are generally attracted to certain physical characteristics. Long hair, a hip to waist ratio of 1 to 0.7, firm breasts, clear eyes, blemish free skin. Your philosophy on this matter equals ideology over reality. You seem to think you can attract a man no matter how ugly you make yourself. But, are the men you attract the kind you'd want to get involved with? I know a woman. She's smart, funny, socially gregarious and has a good job. But, she also weighs almost 400 pounds. She can't get a man to sleep with her unless she pays him. Now, is this the fault of men? Seeing as there are many women out there with shorter hair who have boyfriends and husbands, it seems to be fine with many men. Why should women have to cater to the desires you say men have when clearly there are men who are attracted to women with shorter hair as well? GENERALLY! I'm speaking in general terms. As I've already said, the fact that there are exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the rule is untrue. If you took a photo of twin women, one with long hair and the other with short, more men are going to prefer the one with long hair. I'm not talking about exceptions, though, as there are many, many women out there with shorter hair who are dating or married. Oh good lord. I never said women with short hair couldn't find a date. I said women with long hair are more likely to find dates assuming all other things are equal. |
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Oh, so you're speaking for all of us men now on what we find attractive? I said "generally." Long, thick hair is an indicator of several years of good health. A healthy woman is more likely to not only survive pregnancy, but also give birth to healthy children. Therefore, it's makes evolutionary sense for men to be attracted to women with long, thick hair because men that were in the past were more likely to have healthy offspring that lived long enough to have children of their own and pass on the "likes long hair" gene. Long, thick hair is NOT an indicator of good health. They have nothing to do with each other. Yes it is. There are many illnesses that cause hair loss. Although many of them have been almost eliminated in modern cultures. shortfire8521 mentioned that she has such a condition. Her condition is hereditary. It's not an illness. Doesn't matter. The point is that hair loss is often an indication of poor health. |
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some women actaully look very nice with shorter hair and like to style it. Personally I think short hair is too high maintenance. but most of us have outgrown the gene evolution that says we must look nice for men. We look nice for ourselves so it's about time that men outgrow the likes long hair gene seems, once againm a little high school....jmho also perhaps (probably) some of us are interested in men who care more about what we are like on the inside So, if men don't like it, forget men. The problem with it is that we don't out grow our genetic programming for a very long time. Like thousands of years. The reality is that men are generally attracted to certain physical characteristics. Long hair, a hip to waist ratio of 1 to 0.7, firm breasts, clear eyes, blemish free skin. Your philosophy on this matter equals ideology over reality. You seem to think you can attract a man no matter how ugly you make yourself. But, are the men you attract the kind you'd want to get involved with? I know a woman. She's smart, funny, socially gregarious and has a good job. But, she also weighs almost 400 pounds. She can't get a man to sleep with her unless she pays him. Now, is this the fault of men? I know some very good looking men that are dating and even married to what most men would find very unattractive in looks and weight. Beauty to them truly is in the eye of the beholder as they accept these women for their personalities and not the looks. Not every man is that shallow. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule. But, that doesn't mean the rule is untrue as a whole. I'm not talking about the people you know. I'm talking GENERALLY. An attractive looking woman is simply going to have more options when it comes to men than an unattractive one. It's not shallow of men to prefer a healthy woman over an unhealthy one. All the things men find attractive in women's looks are indicators of good health. Preferring a healthy person is not the same as preferring an attractive person. A person can be healthy and still look unattractive. Its all in what you want. Also; there are women in long hair that look haggish. The hair is nice but its not flattering to them. When I have extremely long hair; it makes my face look drawn out, and I look years older. My face simply wasn't made to sport long hair. Also as one poster said; its a busy world out there and some of us don't have time to fuss over long hair. I am very healthy as I eat a high veggie and fruit diet but when my hair is long; it gets very thin and stringy so my hair has nothing to do with my health. When its shorter; it looks healthier and thicker. So, no healthy hair is not an indication of health. Incidentally; balding men are quite healthy. One can be healthy but may lack a certain vitamin or mineral for healthy hair or it may be genetic. This isn't the 1950s where all women had to have long hair to be accepted. Welcome to 2013. If you prefer long hair; then by all means that is your preference but you can't speak for all men anymore than I can speak for all women. |
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Yes it is. There are many illnesses that cause hair loss.
The same illnesses cause the same hair-loss in men, so you must be saying that the majority of us men are looking extremely unhealthy too by keeping our hair short. This point makes the least sense of any of the generalizations you are trying to defend. The question isn't about why men cut their hair. Besides, women are attracted to different things in men than men are attracted to in women. And no I'm not going to get into what those things are in this thread. |
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Ok, I can not reply based on personal experience regarding why woman cut their hair simply because I am not one lol but I can approach the subject from a scientific / sociological analysis. While what you stated, TexasScoundrel, it is true: long healthy hair it is a desirable feature in woman from an evolutionary point of view. Assuming that those features have a decisive impact on a man's choice when it comes to partners would be to underestimate greatly how human Psyche its build. Yes, it is undeniable that our brains are full of preconceptions created to identify better partners but at the end, in modern day society, they are nothing more that evolutionary left overs... much like the wisdom teeth. What i am trying to say is that while it is undeniable that a clear skin, good looking long hair, a good proportion in the hips, etc. have an subconscious impact on how a man chooses his partner, that impact is lower as we become more evolved as individuals and as society. Humans have evolve (socially) to a point that has never been reach by any other animal previously... and certainly physical features that evokes a sense of better chance of survive in a hostile environment are far less influential than lets say, the fact that she has a good personality, a good job and you two share the same hobbies... Unless of course you are a very primal instinct based male... but at that point i would have to ask woman, why do they choose to date a clearly less evolve specimen of man hahaha, which happens...i mean, Red Necks still get laid, right? and they are barely human hahahaha. On the same sense, TexasSxcoundrel, you would have to ask why some man decide not to exercise? When its obvious that a body in good shape indicates to females, from an evolutionary point of view, that the male has better chance of provide through hunting, and better chance to fight aggressors while protecting the family / pack. Yet you still see a great number of skinny and chubby / fat guys that get laid... why? simply because that type of things have cease to be of vital importance in modern world. I'm not saying long hair is the only thing. Obviously it's only a tiny part of a woman's overall ability to attract. What I'm asking is; If a woman knows cutting her hair short will make her less attractive to men (in general), is she saying no to men by cutting her hair? Is she making a conscious effort to become less attractive? |
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Oh, so you're speaking for all of us men now on what we find attractive? I said "generally." Long, thick hair is an indicator of several years of good health. A healthy woman is more likely to not only survive pregnancy, but also give birth to healthy children. Therefore, it's makes evolutionary sense for men to be attracted to women with long, thick hair because men that were in the past were more likely to have healthy offspring that lived long enough to have children of their own and pass on the "likes long hair" gene. Long, thick hair is NOT an indicator of good health. They have nothing to do with each other. Yes it is. There are many illnesses that cause hair loss. Although many of them have been almost eliminated in modern cultures. shortfire8521 mentioned that she has such a condition. Her condition is hereditary. It's not an illness. Doesn't matter. The point is that hair loss is often an indication of poor health. So, all men who are balding are losing their hair because of poor health? |
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some women actaully look very nice with shorter hair and like to style it. Personally I think short hair is too high maintenance. but most of us have outgrown the gene evolution that says we must look nice for men. We look nice for ourselves so it's about time that men outgrow the likes long hair gene seems, once againm a little high school....jmho also perhaps (probably) some of us are interested in men who care more about what we are like on the inside So, if men don't like it, forget men. The problem with it is that we don't out grow our genetic programming for a very long time. Like thousands of years. The reality is that men are generally attracted to certain physical characteristics. Long hair, a hip to waist ratio of 1 to 0.7, firm breasts, clear eyes, blemish free skin. Your philosophy on this matter equals ideology over reality. You seem to think you can attract a man no matter how ugly you make yourself. But, are the men you attract the kind you'd want to get involved with? I know a woman. She's smart, funny, socially gregarious and has a good job. But, she also weighs almost 400 pounds. She can't get a man to sleep with her unless she pays him. Now, is this the fault of men? Seeing as there are many women out there with shorter hair who have boyfriends and husbands, it seems to be fine with many men. Why should women have to cater to the desires you say men have when clearly there are men who are attracted to women with shorter hair as well? GENERALLY! I'm speaking in general terms. As I've already said, the fact that there are exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the rule is untrue. If you took a photo of twin women, one with long hair and the other with short, more men are going to prefer the one with long hair. I'm not talking about exceptions, though, as there are many, many women out there with shorter hair who are dating or married. Oh good lord. I never said women with short hair couldn't find a date. I said women with long hair are more likely to find dates assuming all other things are equal. What you were asking is why women cut their hair short if it makes them unattractive to men. What I was saying was that there are many men out there who are clearly attracted to women with shorter hair. |
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Ok, I can not reply based on personal experience regarding why woman cut their hair simply because I am not one lol but I can approach the subject from a scientific / sociological analysis. While what you stated, TexasScoundrel, it is true: long healthy hair it is a desirable feature in woman from an evolutionary point of view. Assuming that those features have a decisive impact on a man's choice when it comes to partners would be to underestimate greatly how human Psyche its build. Yes, it is undeniable that our brains are full of preconceptions created to identify better partners but at the end, in modern day society, they are nothing more that evolutionary left overs... much like the wisdom teeth. What i am trying to say is that while it is undeniable that a clear skin, good looking long hair, a good proportion in the hips, etc. have an subconscious impact on how a man chooses his partner, that impact is lower as we become more evolved as individuals and as society. Humans have evolve (socially) to a point that has never been reach by any other animal previously... and certainly physical features that evokes a sense of better chance of survive in a hostile environment are far less influential than lets say, the fact that she has a good personality, a good job and you two share the same hobbies... Unless of course you are a very primal instinct based male... but at that point i would have to ask woman, why do they choose to date a clearly less evolve specimen of man hahaha, which happens...i mean, Red Necks still get laid, right? and they are barely human hahahaha. On the same sense, TexasSxcoundrel, you would have to ask why some man decide not to exercise? When its obvious that a body in good shape indicates to females, from an evolutionary point of view, that the male has better chance of provide through hunting, and better chance to fight aggressors while protecting the family / pack. Yet you still see a great number of skinny and chubby / fat guys that get laid... why? simply because that type of things have cease to be of vital importance in modern world. I'm not saying long hair is the only thing. Obviously it's only a tiny part of a woman's overall ability to attract. What I'm asking is; If a woman knows cutting her hair short will make her less attractive to men (in general), is she saying no to men by cutting her hair? Is she making a conscious effort to become less attractive? LoL i don't want to go over this again hahaha, what i originally replied already answer your question in its full, you just have to consciously read it. But to keep it short and simple: Question: "Is she making a conscious effort to become less attractive?" / Answer: "no". |
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What you were asking is why women cut their hair short if it makes them unattractive to men. What I was saying was that there are many men out there who are clearly attracted to women with shorter hair. I have already agreed that women with short hair can and do find men that want to date them. But, this has nothing to do with the question I'm asking. Maybe it would help if I were more vague. If a woman changed something about her appearance that she know would make her less attractive to men, is she saying no to men by making such a change. |
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Yes it is. There are many illnesses that cause hair loss.
The same illnesses cause the same hair-loss in men, so you must be saying that the majority of us men are looking extremely unhealthy too by keeping our hair short. This point makes the least sense of any of the generalizations you are trying to defend. The question isn't about why men cut their hair. Besides, women are attracted to different things in men than men are attracted to in women. And no I'm not going to get into what those things are in this thread. You already are getting into it. I'll agree to avoid all those details, but I will say let's just drop the health argument. When it comes to attraction, both sexes are more influenced by other things, such as culture, tradition, media, etc. than they are about what is or isn't a sign of good health. For example, you can argue about obesity being unhealthy and therefor the reason most men aren't attracted to overweight women. However, many of those same men are attracted to women who are bone-thin to a clearly unhealthy, even sickly and life-threatening point. Is that a sign of good health? No. If we went by the "good health" argument, the majority would prefer women with at least a little chub on their bodies over those who look like skeletons with pretty faces with 10lbs of makeup, but that is not the case. You can continue to justify what you and the majority of men may be attracted to with an argument about some natural attraction to what's "good" or "healthy", but I will continue to disagree. Attraction is mostly psychological, and is influenced by too many constantly changing factors to claim that any preferences are really "natrual" or the "rule". |
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In some cultures larger women are considered to be more atractive.
Honestly, I get so bored with the sweeping generalisations posters like you keep basing your arguments on. All the things that men find atractive are not indicators of good health. That's just false. What does someone finding women with small noses for example have to do with health? Absolutely nothing. |
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Oh, so you're speaking for all of us men now on what we find attractive? I said "generally." Long, thick hair is an indicator of several years of good health. A healthy woman is more likely to not only survive pregnancy, but also give birth to healthy children. Therefore, it's makes evolutionary sense for men to be attracted to women with long, thick hair because men that were in the past were more likely to have healthy offspring that lived long enough to have children of their own and pass on the "likes long hair" gene. Long, thick hair is NOT an indicator of good health. They have nothing to do with each other. Yes it is. There are many illnesses that cause hair loss. Although many of them have been almost eliminated in modern cultures. shortfire8521 mentioned that she has such a condition. Her condition is hereditary. It's not an illness. Doesn't matter. The point is that hair loss is often an indication of poor health. It was your example so it obviously did matter. You are incorrect to say that hair loss is often an indication of poor health. It would be more correct to say that it is rarely an indication of poor health. |
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What you were asking is why women cut their hair short if it makes them unattractive to men. What I was saying was that there are many men out there who are clearly attracted to women with shorter hair. I have already agreed that women with short hair can and do find men that want to date them. But, this has nothing to do with the question I'm asking. Maybe it would help if I were more vague. If a woman changed something about her appearance that she know would make her less attractive to men, is she saying no to men by making such a change. A woman changes her appearance because she wants to be become more attractive. Its merely your perspective that she makes herself less attractive by cutting her hair. |
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Ok, I can not reply based on personal experience regarding why woman cut their hair simply because I am not one lol but I can approach the subject from a scientific / sociological analysis. While what you stated, TexasScoundrel, it is true: long healthy hair it is a desirable feature in woman from an evolutionary point of view. Assuming that those features have a decisive impact on a man's choice when it comes to partners would be to underestimate greatly how human Psyche its build. Yes, it is undeniable that our brains are full of preconceptions created to identify better partners but at the end, in modern day society, they are nothing more that evolutionary left overs... much like the wisdom teeth. What i am trying to say is that while it is undeniable that a clear skin, good looking long hair, a good proportion in the hips, etc. have an subconscious impact on how a man chooses his partner, that impact is lower as we become more evolved as individuals and as society. Humans have evolve (socially) to a point that has never been reach by any other animal previously... and certainly physical features that evokes a sense of better chance of survive in a hostile environment are far less influential than lets say, the fact that she has a good personality, a good job and you two share the same hobbies... Unless of course you are a very primal instinct based male... but at that point i would have to ask woman, why do they choose to date a clearly less evolve specimen of man hahaha, which happens...i mean, Red Necks still get laid, right? and they are barely human hahahaha. On the same sense, TexasSxcoundrel, you would have to ask why some man decide not to exercise? When its obvious that a body in good shape indicates to females, from an evolutionary point of view, that the male has better chance of provide through hunting, and better chance to fight aggressors while protecting the family / pack. Yet you still see a great number of skinny and chubby / fat guys that get laid... why? simply because that type of things have cease to be of vital importance in modern world. I'm not saying long hair is the only thing. Obviously it's only a tiny part of a woman's overall ability to attract. What I'm asking is; If a woman knows cutting her hair short will make her less attractive to men (in general), is she saying no to men by cutting her hair? Is she making a conscious effort to become less attractive? LoL i don't want to go over this again hahaha, what i originally replied already answer your question in its full, you just have to consciously read it. But to keep it short and simple: Question: "Is she making a conscious effort to become less attractive?" / Answer: "no". Wow, that was so easy wasn't it? Why are so few able to just answer the question? On a side note, I have dyslexia. The way you wrote before is difficult for me to read because it all sort of runs together (you didn't space things into paragraphs). This isn't your problem, it's mine. If I didn't read it all carefully enough, I'm sorry and will try to do better in the future. Every post deserves to be read and understood. |
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What you were asking is why women cut their hair short if it makes them unattractive to men. What I was saying was that there are many men out there who are clearly attracted to women with shorter hair. I have already agreed that women with short hair can and do find men that want to date them. But, this has nothing to do with the question I'm asking. Maybe it would help if I were more vague. If a woman changed something about her appearance that she know would make her less attractive to men, is she saying no to men by making such a change. We've covered this already. YOu may find it unattractive, but clearly many other men don't. So, I don't see that women cutting their hair is making them unattractive to men. Perhaps to you, but to all men? No, of course not. So no, I don't think women making this change are saying no to men in general. Just those who specifically don't find short hair attractive, like you. |
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We've covered this already. YOu may find it unattractive, but clearly many other men don't. So, I don't see that women cutting their hair is making them unattractive to men. Perhaps to you, but to all men? No, of course not. So no, I don't think women making this change are saying no to men in general. Just those who specifically don't find short hair attractive, like you.
Alright then, let's try making it more personal. A woman is married to a man. She knows he is very fond of her long hair. But, she decides to cut it off anyway. She knows this will make her less attractive to him. So, is this a conscious effort on her part to become less attractive in his eyes? |
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What I'm asking is; If a woman knows cutting her hair short will make her less attractive to men (in general), is she saying no to men by cutting her hair? Is she making a conscious effort to become less attractive? If a man says really stupid things, is he actually making an effort to be less attractive to women? |
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Unlikely. Generally speaking, people don't make changes to their appearance to become unattractive. Rather, they desire that change for whatever reason, whether they will like it more or just want to try a new style. Someone else's preference isn't enough reason to stop them, as they most likely want that person or people in general to prioritize their inner qualities rather than outer to begin with. The same goes for both sexes.
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We've covered this already. YOu may find it unattractive, but clearly many other men don't. So, I don't see that women cutting their hair is making them unattractive to men. Perhaps to you, but to all men? No, of course not. So no, I don't think women making this change are saying no to men in general. Just those who specifically don't find short hair attractive, like you.
Alright then, let's try making it more personal. A woman is married to a man. She knows he is very fond of her long hair. But, she decides to cut it off anyway. She knows this will make her less attractive to him. So, is this a conscious effort on her part to become less attractive in his eyes? You'd have to ask a woman who has done that. |
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Some of us are simply not blessed with thick, beautiful hair and we deal with it the best we can.
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