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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Mon 12/31/12 01:34 PM
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Two Mature consensual adults do not get all heated up ready for sex and then one Yells "NO"!!  Notice I said Mature!!! You couldn't be more wrong....and for many women, it's not a laughing matter... That is Your Opinion. This whole thread is not really funny. What is, that a woman puts herself in a position for sex then she doesnt want to have it. Do not put yourself in the Position until ready to have sex. duh... This is not about a Rape. Everything is relative....there are many reasons a woman or a man would say no after sex is initiated....Think! Ask all the questions before hand like mature adults should. There are many reasons to abort mutually consensual sex acts....Could you give me a complete list of "all the questions" please?...Key word here is complete.. Key words are, We disagree! No list to be posted here. I have my OWN personal questions. |
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Two Mature consensual adults do not get all heated up ready for sex and then one Yells "NO"!! Notice I said Mature!!! You couldn't be more wrong....and for many women, it's not a laughing matter... That is Your Opinion. This whole thread is not really funny. What is, that a woman puts herself in a position for sex then she doesnt want to have it. Do not put yourself in the Position until ready to have sex. duh... This is not about a Rape. Everything is relative....there are many reasons a woman or a man would say no after sex is initiated....Think! Ask all the questions before hand like mature adults should. There are many reasons to abort mutually consensual sex acts....Could you give me a complete list of "all the questions" please?...Key word here is complete.. Key words are, We disagree! Everyonne is has their own Opinions here. Yes, we totally disagree, but you said, "There are not many reasons. Ask all the questions before hand like mature adults should."...You're saying if you ask "ALL" the questions before agreeing to have sex, you reduce or eliminate the need to say no or to abort the sex act..So again, what are the questions mature adults should ask before agreeing to have sex with someone?... |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Mon 12/31/12 02:56 PM
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Yes, we totally disagree, but you said, "There are not many reasons. Ask all the questions before hand like mature adults should."...You're saying if you ask "ALL" the questions before agreeing to have sex, you reduce or eliminate the need to say no or to abort the sex act..So again, what are the questions mature adults should ask before agreeing to have sex with someone?... What I said was don't put yourself in that position. Again we disagree on this topic. Maybe some agree, I am not One of them. |
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And after all the personal issues that are sited and excuses that are used....it still comes down to the fact that No means no AND it matters not what actions have taken place before, how someone was dressed, how hot they got you, etc...
No means no. Men can stop just as well as a woman can at any point. And they should be required to with all punishment applicable for not doing so. Regardless to whatever thoughts they have for the person telling them no, there is no reason for rape other than a violent act perpetrated against a woman by someone who hates women. |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Mon 12/31/12 03:21 PM
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Yes, we totally disagree, but you said, "There are not many reasons. Ask all the questions before hand like mature adults should."...You're saying if you ask "ALL" the questions before agreeing to have sex, you reduce or eliminate the need to say no or to abort the sex act..So again, what are the questions mature adults should ask before agreeing to have sex with someone?... What I said was don't put yourself in that position. Again we disagree on this topic. Maybe some agree, I am not One of them. If you can't list "all" the questions YOU CLAIM mature adults should ask before consenting to sex in order to prevent saying no after it is initiated, just say so... |
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And after all the personal issues that are sited and excuses that are used....it still comes down to the fact that No means no AND it matters not what actions have taken place before, how someone was dressed, how hot they got you, etc... No means no. Men can stop just as well as a woman can at any point. And they should be required to with all punishment applicable for not doing so. Regardless to whatever thoughts they have for the person telling them no, there is no reason for rape other than a violent act perpetrated against a woman by someone who hates women. this is basically correct right here - just as you've said. Therefore a little known fact (actually I always thought it was widely known - apparently not). Rape is not a sex crime, it is a crime of violence carried out via the sexual action as a weapon of power and control. The perpetrator is more than a mysogynist he is a dangerous and violent offender.....if it weren't sex it could be a firearm. His goal is to assault and harm. possibly kill. This is why someone will continue to be sexually excited after his partner has said no. he has already made the decision to commit a violent crime. An normal man will not want to continue a sex act with a woman who is protesting and indicating that she does not want him. So rather than a sexual act it is at this point a crime of violence - as assault and sometimes a murder - via the sex act. Women who are raped are also murdered often and nearly always beaten physically, and always abused psychologically thru fear/control if not visibly beaten. a rapist is a dangerous criminal - this point has been somewhat understated on here. One who condones rape in any form is also potentially dangerous. So read the comments on here carefully. consider them a warning and be careful who you meet. there are several on here I would not touch with a 10 ft pole even tho we have had some past amicable discussions....no more...no chance. |
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And after all the personal issues that are sited and excuses that are used....it still comes down to the fact that No means no AND it matters not what actions have taken place before, how someone was dressed, how hot they got you, etc... No means no. Men can stop just as well as a woman can at any point. And they should be required to with all punishment applicable for not doing so. Regardless to whatever thoughts they have for the person telling them no, there is no reason for rape other than a violent act perpetrated against a woman by someone who hates women. this is basically correct right here - just as you've said. Therefore a little known fact (actually I always thought it was widely known - apparently not). Rape is not a sex crime, it is a crime of violence carried out via the sexual action as a weapon of power and control. The perpetrator is more than a mysogynist he is a dangerous and violent offender.....if it weren't sex it could be a firearm. His goal is to assault and harm. possibly kill. This is why someone will continue to be sexually excited after his partner has said no. he has already made the decision to commit a violent crime. An normal man will not want to continue a sex act with a woman who is protesting and indicating that she does not want him. So rather than a sexual act it is at this point a crime of violence - as assault and sometimes a murder - via the sex act. Women who are raped are also murdered often and nearly always beaten physically, and always abused psychologically thru fear/control if not visibly beaten. a rapist is a dangerous criminal - this point has been somewhat understated on here. One who condones rape in any form is also potentially dangerous. So read the comments on here carefully. consider them a warning and be careful who you meet. there are several on here I would not touch with a 10 ft pole even tho we have had some past amicable discussions....no more...no chance. Willow and Sweet, I am in total agreement and thank you for saying... 
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Edited by
AndyBgood
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Mon 12/31/12 05:31 PM
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And after all the personal issues that are sited and excuses that are used....it still comes down to the fact that No means no AND it matters not what actions have taken place before, how someone was dressed, how hot they got you, etc... No means no. Men can stop just as well as a woman can at any point. And they should be required to with all punishment applicable for not doing so. Regardless to whatever thoughts they have for the person telling them no, there is no reason for rape other than a violent act perpetrated against a woman by someone who hates women. this is basically correct right here - just as you've said. Therefore a little known fact (actually I always thought it was widely known - apparently not). Rape is not a sex crime, it is a crime of violence carried out via the sexual action as a weapon of power and control. The perpetrator is more than a mysogynist he is a dangerous and violent offender.....if it weren't sex it could be a firearm. His goal is to assault and harm. possibly kill. This is why someone will continue to be sexually excited after his partner has said no. he has already made the decision to commit a violent crime. An normal man will not want to continue a sex act with a woman who is protesting and indicating that she does not want him. So rather than a sexual act it is at this point a crime of violence - as assault and sometimes a murder - via the sex act. Women who are raped are also murdered often and nearly always beaten physically, and always abused psychologically thru fear/control if not visibly beaten. a rapist is a dangerous criminal - this point has been somewhat understated on here. One who condones rape in any form is also potentially dangerous. So read the comments on here carefully. consider them a warning and be careful who you meet. there are several on here I would not touch with a 10 ft pole even tho we have had some past amicable discussions....no more...no chance. Willow and Sweet, I am in total agreement and thank you for saying... Is this aimed at me? I have to wonder considering the text in red... Again when did I actually condone rape? I never did. Saying someone deserves what they get when their actions lead to their suffering is different from a person who does all the right things and is still attacked or someone who was stalked. so just in case this is aimed at me there are two issues here, One is Libelous slander. I don't like people who do this using such a argument present above to express this. It may apply to me if A) I did have a prison record let alone a rap sheet of any kind. I actually have a very clean slate thank you! B) It may also apply if I said women just had it coming in the first place. All I said was a woman that sets herself up to be raped and does get raped got what she deserved! if you did not set yourself up for it then guess what. C) It might VAUGELY apply if I really did condone wanton acts of violence but this is my life style. I never raise my hand first. I however do hit last and I don't stop until my opponent stays down begging for mercy or I beat them into unconsciousness for having the brass to attack me. So for me using my strength against others? PLEASE! Just becasue I am Draconian means nothing here! Now let us qualify something here, Just becasue I am talking to you does not mean I have ANY sexual interest in you! You or ANYONE ELSE for that matter. Like I have said before, if you need to be scared of me or any other man for that matter keep stepping. You are wasting the time of good men here! I cannot stand being around people who are scared of me. I don't need your fear stinking up my karma pool! We are all needful creatures. But likewise some of us are stupid creatures. What about the concept of play smart, not stupid don't any of you want to get? Nope, instead of following my recommendation and trying to turn this into a positive thing all I am getting is this treatment. I think I could say this is Hen Pecking! I feel this conduct qualifies since I see the same tired tangent tossed around. OH GOD NO, ANOTHER ANIMAL COMPARISON WAS LET LOOSE! |
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Is this aimed at me? I have to wonder considering the text in red... Again when did I actually condone rape? I never did. Saying someone deserves what they get when their actions lead to their suffering is different from a person who does all the right things and is still attacked or someone who was stalked. so just in case this is aimed at me there are two issues here, One is Libelous slander. I don't like people who do this using such a argument present above to express this. It may apply to me if A) I did have a prison record let alone a rap sheet of any kind. I actually have a very clean slate thank you! B) It may also apply if I said women just had it coming in the first place. All I said was a woman that sets herself up to be raped and does get raped got what she deserved! if you did not set yourself up for it then guess what. C) It might VAUGELY apply if I really did condone wanton acts of violence but this is my life style. I never raise my hand first. I however do hit last and I don't stop until my opponent stays down begging for mercy or I beat them into unconsciousness for having the brass to attack me. So for me using my strength against others? PLEASE! Just becasue I am Draconian means nothing here! Now let us qualify something here, Just becasue I am talking to you does not mean I have ANY sexual interest in you! You or ANYONE ELSE for that matter. Like I have said before, if you need to be scared of me or any other man for that matter keep stepping. You are wasting the time of good men here! I cannot stand being around people who are scared of me. I don't need your fear stinking up my karma pool! We are all needful creatures. But likewise some of us are stupid creatures. What about the concept of play smart, not stupid don't any of you want to get? Nope, instead of following my recommendation and trying to turn this into a positive thing all I am getting is this treatment. I think I could say this is Hen Pecking! I feel this conduct qualifies since I see the same tired tangent tossed around. OH GOD NO, ANOTHER ANIMAL COMPARISON WAS LET LOOSE! I swore..I wouldn't be on this thread again! its your anger that makes us afraid of you....of what YOU would be capable of. Rape is not for the sex. Its the power. Who are rapists? ...they are angry guys who feel powerless If a woman dares tease him with her feminine wiles..he'll show her! He'll just take it! So there... And you're basically saying to this guy " I understand you bro " that is my fear. |
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Is this aimed at me? I have to wonder considering the text in red... Again when did I actually condone rape? I never did. Saying someone deserves what they get when their actions lead to their suffering is different from a person who does all the right things and is still attacked or someone who was stalked. so just in case this is aimed at me there are two issues here, One is Libelous slander. I don't like people who do this using such a argument present above to express this. It may apply to me if A) I did have a prison record let alone a rap sheet of any kind. I actually have a very clean slate thank you! B) It may also apply if I said women just had it coming in the first place. All I said was a woman that sets herself up to be raped and does get raped got what she deserved! if you did not set yourself up for it then guess what. C) It might VAUGELY apply if I really did condone wanton acts of violence but this is my life style. I never raise my hand first. I however do hit last and I don't stop until my opponent stays down begging for mercy or I beat them into unconsciousness for having the brass to attack me. So for me using my strength against others? PLEASE! Just becasue I am Draconian means nothing here! Now let us qualify something here, Just becasue I am talking to you does not mean I have ANY sexual interest in you! You or ANYONE ELSE for that matter. Like I have said before, if you need to be scared of me or any other man for that matter keep stepping. You are wasting the time of good men here! I cannot stand being around people who are scared of me. I don't need your fear stinking up my karma pool! We are all needful creatures. But likewise some of us are stupid creatures. What about the concept of play smart, not stupid don't any of you want to get? Nope, instead of following my recommendation and trying to turn this into a positive thing all I am getting is this treatment. I think I could say this is Hen Pecking! I feel this conduct qualifies since I see the same tired tangent tossed around. OH GOD NO, ANOTHER ANIMAL COMPARISON WAS LET LOOSE! I swore..I wouldn't be on this thread again! its your anger that makes us afraid of you....of what YOU would be capable of. Rape is not for the sex. Its the power. Who are rapists? ...they are angry guys who feel powerless If a woman dares tease him with her feminine wiles..he'll show her! He'll just take it! So there... And you're basically saying to this guy " I understand you bro " that is my fear. two stupid people do something stupid together... Punish one but not the other? First of all what makes you think teasing men is acceptable? There is being playful but a stone cold cocqu tease is not what I would consider safe behavior. Rape is likewise about person gratification. No act of selfishness is not without its need to feed the ego as well! And here you bring up power. So emotional rape is just as acceptable? A lot of women use sex to give them power over men. Who are you trying to kid here? You wield power but it is taken away. Power is an illusion. Likewise you appear to confuse conviction and passion with anger... You clearly don't know me well at all! |
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Oh no..I respect passion and conviction! Especially if I don't agree with the point...I like to hear other view points! But come on ..... teasing is just cause for rape? I get your point...I do. You cant wave temptation and expect everyone to follow the rules.
But that's the law..now isn't it? Its a safe bet that ladies aren't making it a habit to rub..entice and turn on guys...then run away.. Leaving him hard and horny! The bare ugly truth..... he wants it...you got it...he will take it. There is no intellectual argument to pretty this up. |
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I do somewhat see the opposing side of this argument... that is, you have to feel sorry for the guy who is charged or rightly accused of rape where it is kind of gray...
perhaps flirted with heavily and got started then asked to stop half way through it for god knows whatever reason... where it was not really violent and that sort of thing. If told to stop or 'no' and he continues it is rape clearly after this point. Still kind of feel sorry, and somewhat de-criminalizes their actions in certain scenarios that matches this criteria. Today many people (women often) use rape accusations that kind of talk out the side of their mouth. Twice I have been accused of rape once I have no clue what shes talking about the other would have (her and her bf were breaking up and we almost had sex and the bf accused me) had an argument had we had sex becuase she was not quite as into it after we went to bed as she was when she was tearing off her clothes and running around the house with her panties on. Still could have argued rape becuase she was not half as gung ho about it in bed as she was trapsing through the house in her g-string.. still would not have been rape though unless she had said no. Point here is many women use this as a way of stabbing some poor bastard in the back that did not actually rape her just to get a pity party. I have heard of this WAY more then I have been around an actual rape (that I know about). |
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Edited by
teebee79
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Mon 12/31/12 08:36 PM
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I do somewhat see the opposing side of this argument... that is, you have to feel sorry for the guy who is charged or rightly accused of rape where it is kind of gray... perhaps flirted with heavily and got started then asked to stop half way through it for god knows whatever reason... where it was not really violent and that sort of thing. If told to stop or 'no' and he continues it is rape clearly after this point. Still kind of feel sorry, and somewhat de-criminalizes their actions in certain scenarios that matches this criteria. Today many people (women often) use rape accusations that kind of talk out the side of their mouth. Twice I have been accused of rape once I have no clue what shes talking about the other would have (her and her bf were breaking up and we almost had sex and the bf accused me) had an argument had we had sex becuase she was not quite as into it after we went to bed as she was when she was tearing off her clothes and running around the house with her panties on. Still could have argued rape becuase she was not half as gung ho about it in bed as she was trapsing through the house in her g-string.. still would not have been rape though unless she had said no. Point here is many women use this as a way of stabbing some poor bastard in the back that did not actually rape her just to get a pity party. I have heard of this WAY more then I have been around an actual rape (that I know about). False allegations ARE NOT THE NORM. Do you know the full procedure to accuse someone of rape! You cant just point and then take a trip! Not that false allegations don't happen...but its few and far between. My advice to any man...who is hell bent to have sex with some chick bouncing around in a g string..Get a full verbal..yes! |
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Edited by
sweetestgirl11
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Mon 12/31/12 08:40 PM
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no means no
the only time I'd be sympathetic is were he falsely accused for vengeful motives - it happens but not often and the authorities can usually rat out that rat fairly quickly and it does not happen often. problem with it is that when it does happen it makes it more difficult than it already is to prosecute the valid instances. and these few cases where a woman is lying should not detract from the seriousness of the offense where it is actually committed and don't forget the victims are not always women and it is always violent - even if the force is simply the weight of ones body, the fear that won;t let us fight back is violent, the relentlessness and disregard of someones humanity and violation integrity and privacy is a violence there is no justification for a false accusation, agreed. it is always upsetting when someone is falsely accused of any criminal offense or wrongdoing but no still means no |
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Not that false allegations don't happen...but its few and far between. Totally disagree! Your taking my statement slightly out of context by saying "the authories" can usually find these ppl.. true by the time something is said to the police it usually weeds out many false accusations (fear of making a false accusation to the police will prevent alot of it)... and true the police can often catch someone lying or simply sense they might be getting lied to. In real life situations have heard far more pointing that I thought were complete and total bs or knew that it was then I know of an actual rape occuring. |
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Not that false allegations don't happen...but its few and far between. Totally disagree! Your taking my statement slightly out of context by saying "the authories" can usually find these ppl.. true by the time something is said to the police it usually weeds out many false accusations (fear of making a false accusation to the police will prevent alot of it)... and true the police can often catch someone lying or simply sense they might be getting lied to. In real life situations have heard far more pointing that I thought were complete and total bs or knew that it was then I know of an actual rape occuring. See what I am up against? Some of these women just do not want to get it. They don't want to get the fact they can and do use sex as a weapon too! |
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No means no, whenever it is said.
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My advice to any man...who is hell bent to have sex with some chick bouncing around in a g string..Get a full verbal..yes! Your painting a negative picture of this situation. Totally not hell bent on having sex with her. Actually had some restraint as she was in the middle of a break up. She was heating up to me for about a week or two before this occured. her x even kind of approached it in his own in -direct way. Noticed the same thing. Soon as she came home she took one look at me and her clothes were on the floor before she even made it to the kitchen from the front door. She barged in the bathroom looked right at my dingy and invited me into to bed with her a few minutes after that. Did not have sex... its a moot point. Would have had an argument if we had had sex becuase she was not quite as into it as she was a moment before. But still realistically would not have been rape. |
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My advice to any man...who is hell bent to have sex with some chick bouncing around in a g string..Get a full verbal..yes! Your painting a negative picture of this situation. Totally not hell bent on having sex with her. Actually had some restraint as she was in the middle of a break up. She was heating up to me for about a week or two before this occured. her x even kind of approached it in his own in -direct way. Noticed the same thing. Soon as she came home she took one look at me and her clothes were on the floor before she even made it to the kitchen from the front door. She barged in the bathroom looked right at my dingy and invited me into to bed with her a few minutes after that. Did not have sex... its a moot point. Would have had an argument if we had had sex becuase she was not quite as into it as she was a moment before. But still realistically would not have been rape. |
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Women do not use sex as a weapon.
Women's sexuality has been feared and controlled by men for a long time but that does not make it a weapon, Men who fear a woman's sexuality are the only ones who would consider it a weapon. A sexual woman is just that a sexual woman, no different than a sexual man. Her demonization is a result of the misogyny of the past and her mistreatment. |
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