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I'm not saying that this will happen here in America, but it happened in Turkey, and in Germany: Genocide.
But first they took the guns. Learn from History: As a prelude to the coming action, Turks disarmed the entire Armenian population under the pretext that the people were naturally sympathetic toward Christian Russia. Every last rifle and pistol was forcibly seized, with severe penalties for anyone who failed to turn in a weapon. Quite a few Armenian men actually purchased a weapon from local Turks or Kurds (nomadic Muslim tribesmen) at very high prices so they would have something to turn in. At this time, about forty thousand Armenian men were serving in the Turkish Army. In the fall and winter of 1914, all of their weapons were confiscated and they were put into slave labor battalions building roads or were used as human pack animals. Under the brutal work conditions they suffered a very high death rate. Those who survived would soon be shot outright. For the time had come to move against the Armenians. The decision to annihilate the entire population came directly from the ruling triumvirate of ultra-nationalist Young Turks. The actual extermination orders were transmitted in coded telegrams to all provincial governors throughout Turkey. Armed roundups began on the evening of April 24, 1915, as 300 Armenian political leaders, educators, writers, clergy and dignitaries in Constantinople (present day Istanbul) were taken from their homes, briefly jailed and tortured, then hanged or shot. Read the entire story of genocide. http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/armenians.htm |
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its just common sense that fewer guns will equal fewer gun crimes It is just common sense that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones. It is just common sense that the earth stands still and the sun, stars and planets revolve around it. It is just common sense that photons can be waves or particles, but not both. It is just common sense that it doesn't matter if you change doors in the Monte Hall Problem. In all these cases, observation and/or experiment has refuted the "common sense" assumption. In similar fashion, the examples of Kennesaw and Switzerland refute the idea that fewer guns means fewer crimes. we are such a desensitized culture with so much paranoia and vigilantaism,, that widespread availability of such guns is more dangerous than helpful,, in my opinion If you think its bad now, just wait until thy've been removed. Switzerland was used as an example, but what isnt mentioned is that Switzerland has mandatory 'militia' training between 20 and 30 years of age, and it is mostly those with such training (and probably more able to grasp the reality of their power) who carry weapons Very true, and that should be the mandated duty of every American as well. For one thing, it would cure a lot of your country's social ills. Half of the swedish people have guns and know how to use them. in america, its much easier for he/she who feels like he/she has the capacity to be dirty harry to get a gun and use it on others for me, thats a problem,,, That's a problem for everyone, but it's the fault of the people themselves for allowing it to happen in the first place. From a very young age ALL children should be taught the safe handling & use of firearms and the awesome power & responsibility that goes with them as part of their basic education. good thing switzerland waits till they have better reaonsing skills to start training them at 'very young' ages, I dont think all the training in the world can really help them grasp the full power of guns and death,,,, I would NEVER put a gun in my childs hands,, but thats just me |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 12/17/12 10:01 PM
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Guns are already in your children's hands with all the violent video games of war all the children are playing with.
Today, YOUNG (20 yrs old) real people are killing children with remotely operated drones controlled by young people using a computer, thousands of miles from their targets. He probably played video games growing up. Now he is killing real people with his skills. So your children already have guns in their hands. ___________________________________________________ 'Did we just kill a kid?': The moment drone operator who assassinated Afghans with the push of a button on a computer in the U.S. realized he had vaporized a child... and could not go on Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249252/Brandon-Bryant-Drone-operator-followed-orders-shoot-child--decided-quit.html#ixzz2FNdvfMC7 A former U.S. drone operator has opened up about the toll of killing scores of innocent people by pressing a button from a control room in New Mexico. Brandon Bryant, 27, from Missoula, Montana, spent six years in the Air Force operating Predator drones from inside a dark container. But, after following orders to shoot and kill a child in Afghanistan, he knew he couldn't keep doing what he was doing and quit the military. Realist news http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaLC5UXiVrA&feature=em-uploademail |
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Im not speaking in the context of 'toys'
Im speaking (writing) in the context of 'weapons' (tools that actually are capable of taking life) |
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Im not speaking in the context of 'toys' Im speaking (writing) in the context of 'weapons' (tools that actually are capable of taking life) Actually, I think this might be part of the problem with the young (video gaming) people today. They grow up fantasizing that the toys they play with are shoot-em-up, death dealing weapons and become desensitized to the transition, feeling that actually using death dealing weapons is pretty much just playing another video game. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 12/17/12 11:12 PM
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Im not speaking in the context of 'toys' Im speaking (writing) in the context of 'weapons' (tools that actually are capable of taking life) Actually, I think this might be part of the problem with the young (video gaming) people today. They grow up fantasizing that the toys they play with are shoot-em-up, death dealing weapons and become desensitized to the transition, feeling that actually using death dealing weapons is pretty much just playing another video game. I think it could be a factor, but a small one even when I grew up,, boys played with gi joes and had pretend wars and battles,, and Im sure in other western countries with little gun crime the adolescents are equally intrigued with the gaming technology I think it has more to do with an AMERICAN mentality and the change in the cultural/family values and dynamics that seems to be different than the mentality/cultural values/family values in other countreis (especially concerning the value of life),,,I think our kids are learning something different from a young age than others kids,, and I dont think the difference is in their games imho |
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Im not speaking in the context of 'toys' Im speaking (writing) in the context of 'weapons' (tools that actually are capable of taking life) Actually, I think this might be part of the problem with the young (video gaming) people today. They grow up fantasizing that the toys they play with are shoot-em-up, death dealing weapons and become desensitized to the transition, feeling that actually using death dealing weapons is pretty much just playing another video game. I think it could be a factor, but a small one even when I grew up,, boys played with gi joes and had pretend wars and battles,, and Im sure in other western countries with little gun crime the adolescents are equally intrigued with the gaming technology I think it has more to do with an AMERICAN mentality that seems to be different than the mentality in other countreis concerning the value of life,,,I think our kids are learning something different from a young age than others kids,, and I dont think the difference is in their games imho Canada is no different, except maybe a few years behind in the decadence. What makes North American society relatively unique sociologically speaking is our reliance on video sensory input from a very early age. We grow up in front of a TV that totally desensitizes us to violence of all kinds, ruins out attention spans, and basically tells us how we should think (as little as possible), TV alone blurs the distinction between reality and fantasy, as it numbs our minds to critical thought. Then we gravitate to video games, already with a zombie-like subconscious, uncritical acceptance of the action before our eyes. The miracle is that anyone can think at all by the time they are twelve. |
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Im not speaking in the context of 'toys' Im speaking (writing) in the context of 'weapons' (tools that actually are capable of taking life) Actually, I think this might be part of the problem with the young (video gaming) people today. They grow up fantasizing that the toys they play with are shoot-em-up, death dealing weapons and become desensitized to the transition, feeling that actually using death dealing weapons is pretty much just playing another video game. I think it could be a factor, but a small one even when I grew up,, boys played with gi joes and had pretend wars and battles,, and Im sure in other western countries with little gun crime the adolescents are equally intrigued with the gaming technology I think it has more to do with an AMERICAN mentality that seems to be different than the mentality in other countreis concerning the value of life,,,I think our kids are learning something different from a young age than others kids,, and I dont think the difference is in their games imho Canada is no different, except maybe a few years behind in the decadence. What makes North American society relatively unique sociologically speaking is our reliance on video sensory input from a very early age. We grow up in front of a TV that totally desensitizes us to violence of all kinds, ruins out attention spans, and basically tells us how we should think (as little as possible), TV alone blurs the distinction between reality and fantasy, as it numbs our minds to critical thought. Then we gravitate to video games, already with a zombie-like subconscious, uncritical acceptance of the action before our eyes. The miracle is that anyone can think at all by the time they are twelve. but there are social differences in places like Canada and Switzerland in the USA, 26 percent of children are raised by single parents compared to 16 percent in Canada and about 16 percent in Canada in the USA, there are 88 guns owned for every 100 citizens compared to 30 in Canada and 45 in Switzerland in the USA, in 2011, we had 43 death row executions Canada, and Switzerland 0 in the USA, 23 percent of known pregnancies end in abortion Canada is conparable Switzerland is merely 12.4 percent ,,,there is some essential 'cultural' difference in how life is viewed that seems to surpass adolescent interest in video games,,, |
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but there are social differences in places like Canada and Switzerland Of course…There will always be social differences between demographics. There are for instance major social differences between adjacent rich/poor neighbourhoods that would dwarf the differences between most countries. in the USA, there are 88 guns owned for every 100 citizens compared to 30 in Canada and 45 in Switzerland I haven't checked, but its probably true that US per capita ownership of cars, boats planes and big screen TVs is about double that of Canada or Switzerland too, but that's just a function of American consumerism and its (former) prosperity. in the USA, in 2011, we had 43 death row executions Canada, and Switzerland 0 The US (sadly) still executes people. Most countries have abolished the death penalty. Nobody has been hanged in Canada since 1968. there is some essential 'cultural' difference in how life is viewed that seems to surpass adolescent interest in video games,,, There will always be variables to take into account. Please bear inmind that I was only venturing my opinion on the video mentality being a plausible factor. My opinion is worth no more nor less than anyone else's. |
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its just common sense that fewer guns will equal fewer gun crimes It is just common sense that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones. It is just common sense that the earth stands still and the sun, stars and planets revolve around it. It is just common sense that photons can be waves or particles, but not both. It is just common sense that it doesn't matter if you change doors in the Monte Hall Problem. In all these cases, observation and/or experiment has refuted the "common sense" assumption. In similar fashion, the examples of Kennesaw and Switzerland refute the idea that fewer guns means fewer crimes. we are such a desensitized culture with so much paranoia and vigilantaism,, that widespread availability of such guns is more dangerous than helpful,, in my opinion If you think its bad now, just wait until thy've been removed. Switzerland was used as an example, but what isnt mentioned is that Switzerland has mandatory 'militia' training between 20 and 30 years of age, and it is mostly those with such training (and probably more able to grasp the reality of their power) who carry weapons Very true, and that should be the mandated duty of every American as well. For one thing, it would cure a lot of your country's social ills. Half of the swedish people have guns and know how to use them. in america, its much easier for he/she who feels like he/she has the capacity to be dirty harry to get a gun and use it on others for me, thats a problem,,, That's a problem for everyone, but it's the fault of the people themselves for allowing it to happen in the first place. From a very young age ALL children should be taught the safe handling & use of firearms and the awesome power & responsibility that goes with them as part of their basic education. good thing switzerland waits till they have better reaonsing skills to start training them at 'very young' ages, I dont think all the training in the world can really help them grasp the full power of guns and death,,,, I would NEVER put a gun in my childs hands,, but thats just me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knabenschiessen |
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 and more like them waiting in the Wings,and some gone into History. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 12/18/12 09:10 AM
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More people need to be like Stossel and care about facts.
Nothing any of our politicians are talking about now would have prevented this incident. That alone should cause pause. The conversation should be a tactical one, but sadly only politics is on the agenda. |
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Im not speaking in the context of 'toys' Im speaking (writing) in the context of 'weapons' (tools that actually are capable of taking life) My point is, Msharmony, that it is not a very large step from a killing video game and the operation of a drone that kills real people. |
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All citizens can be armed now, you see what happens, right?
Stupidity.... We have a gun problem in this country and some idiots want to put more guns in mix. |
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We had another murder suicide here today. Bet it was a gun.
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 12/18/12 10:43 AM
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All citizens can be armed now, you see what happens, right? Stupidity.... We have a gun problem in this country and some idiots want to put more guns in mix. My statement is exactly the opposite of yours, but mine is actually true, where as yours is not. All citizens cannot be legally armed now, see what happens? We had another murder suicide here today. Bet it was a gun. Bet it was a human with that gun . . . Illogic, and hyperbole, and not a point to be made anywhere at all! |
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We had another murder suicide here today. Bet it was a gun. People do kill each other. People do commit suicide. If there were no guns, they would find another way to do it. Guns don't kill people, people do. |
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We had another murder suicide here today. Bet it was a gun. People do kill each other. People do commit suicide. If there were no guns, they would find another way to do it. Guns don't kill people, people do. More NRA garbage that helps this **** happen.... 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 12/18/12 11:00 AM
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What irks me is the Press. They declare "this is such an unspeakable crime!" Then all they do is speak about it. Every other channel has some diatribe about it.
And they are threatening to arrest anyone on Facebook or social media sites who have an opinion about it that does not jive with the media. What??? http://www.infowars.com/facebook-suspends-account-for-questioning-official-narrative-on-shooting/ Now they are attempting to suppress alternative theories of the unspeakable crime, and they can't even get the facts strait themselves. What has happened to freedom of speech? Okay, I think the guy was drugged. I think someone put him up to it. Probably hypnotized him to do it. He looked hypnotized. He looked about the same as that guy who shot up the Movie theater. Now lets see them come arrest me for my alternative conspiracy theory or opinion. Now every shooting that happens anywhere will be snatched up by the media and used to promote the gun control agenda. Its disgraceful. I encourage people to turn off their television sets and stop listening to that mind bending crap being spewed out by politicians and media whores. I encourage people to come up with their own theories and post them on facebook just to spite this ridiculous crackdown on freedom of speech. |
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