I keep reading this theory that 'gun free zones' invite more gun violence

but noone has yet provided any 'evidence' or numbers to back up the statement


I did a little (Very little, more is welcomed) on mass killings and found this timeline (Starting with 1996 since that year has been referenced)

02/09/1996
clifton mccree killed coworkers in municipal trailer
ft lauderdale, fl


09/15/1997
Arthur Wise killed coworkers at R E Phelon Co
Aiken, SC


12/18/1997
Arturo Reyes killed coworkers at maintenance yard in
Orange, CA



03/06/1998
Matthew Beck Killed superiors at Connecticut Lottery Headquarters
Newington Connecticut


03/24/1998
Mitchell Scott Johnson and Andrew Douglas Golden killed students and teachers at Westside Middle School
Jonesboro, AK


05/21/1998
Kipland Kinkel killed his parents AT HOME and students at his school thurston HS
Springfield Oregon


04/20/1999
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 39 at columbine HS
Littleton Colorado

07/29/199
Mark Barton killed employees at two seperate day trading firms
Atl, GA

09/15/1999
Larry Ashbrook killed members at Wedgewood Baptist Church
Ft Worth , TX

11/2/1999
Byron Uyesugi killed workers inside Xerox building
honolulu, HI

12/30/1999
Silvio Leybo gunned down coworkers at Radisson Bay Harbor Inn
Tampa Fl

12/26/2000
Michael McDermott killed coworkers at Edgewater Technology
Wakefield Massachussetts


02/05/2001
William Baker kills coworkers at Navistar
Melrose Park, IL


07/08/2003
Douglas Williams kills coworkers at Lockheed Martin
Meridian, MS


12/8/2004
Nathan Gale kills four and injurs eight at a concert
Columbus OH

3/12/2005
Terry Ratzman
killed church members at a Sheraton Hotel
Brookfield Wisconsin

3/21/2005
Jeffrey Weise killed two at GRANDFATHERS HOME, and more at Red Lake Senior HS

01/30/2006
Jennifer San Marco killed a neighbor AT THEIR HOME and 6 employees at the mail processing plant
Goleta CA

03/25/2006
Kyle Huff killed partygoers at a RAVE
Capitol Hill, WA


11/2/2006
Charles Roberts kills five children in Amish Classroom
Lancaster County , PA

02/12/2007
Sulejman Tolovia kills patrons at Trolley Square Shopping Center
Salt Lake City , UT

04/16/2007
SungHeui Cho opened fire at Virginia Tech,
Blacksburg VA

10/7/2007
Tyler PEterson goes off inside an apartment building
Crandon, WI

12/5/2007
Robert Hawkins opens fire at Westroads Mall
Omaha, NE

2/7/2008
Charles Thorton goes on rampage inside city hall
Kirkwood, Missouri

2/14/2008
Steven Kazmierczak opens fire in N Illinois University
Chicago, IL

06/25/2008
Wesley Higden shot employees of Atlantis Plastics
Henderson, KY

03/29/2009
Rob Stewart opened fire at a nursing home
Carthage, NC

04/3/2009
Jiverly Wong opened fire at a civic center for immigrants
Binghamton, NY

11/5/2009
Nidal Hassan opens fire on an Army base
Ft Hood, TX

11/29/2009
Maurice clemmons kills officers at a coffee shop
PArkland, WA


8/3/2010
Omar Burton kills coworkers at Hartford Beer
Manchester, CT

1/8/2011
Jared Loughner
opened fire in a safeway parking lot
Tucson, AZ


9/6/2011
Eduardo Sencion opened fire at an IHOP restaurant
Carson City, NV

10/14/2011
Scott Dekraii opened fire in a Hair Salon
Seal Beach, CA

2/22/2012
Jeong Soo Paek killed employees of a hair salon

04/02/2012
One Goh killed students at Oikos University
Oakland, CA

05/20/2012
IAn Stawicki gunned down four at Seattle Cafe
Seattle, WA


07/20/2012
James Holmes opened fire in movie theater
aurora, CO

08/05/2012
Michael Paige opened fire in a Sikh temple
Creek, Wisconsin

09/27/2012
Andrew Engeldenger killed coworkers at Accent Signage

12/14/2012
Adam Lanza killed mother AT HER HOME, and then students at Sandy Hook Elementary school


I count 43 mass killings


schools 9
malls 2
gov buildings 5
workplace 12
church 3
random 12

what these numbers say to me is there is no clear 'evidence' that 'gun free zones' are any less safe than any other area where there are disgruntled workers, or people who cant control their emotions,,,,

gun enthusiasts have a hard time convincing people that criminals will get guns no matter what but yet the designation of the place their victims are will matter to them,,,,


Im not quite sure if there is a way to have 'evidence' that gun free zones invite more violence,,,Im not sure what the comparative value would be to prove such a theory,,,

Not that they will need it but your little gun isn't going to do much to a little missile dropped strategically. So yea blow your own head off might be better and you will be a hero in your own mind.

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They will concentrate on populated disturbed areas with their drones. I won't be there so I'm not worried.

I don't own a gun. But I know plenty of people who do.

You sound like a scared rabbit.

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But gun bullshyte is a mental unwellness that has infected this country for many generations. It is a sickness. For real. They are not mentally well.

No fear, just know the facts.

I don't need to be afraid of my government I work to make it what it is.

I don't fear much of anything. That is why I am not mentally unwell enough to need a gun.

Guns are not mentally well?

What are you saying?

Hey if you can talk everyone in the entire world, including the military to give up all the guns, and end war all over the earth be my guest.

Until then, there are nasty evil people in the world that commit genocide upon innocent people. How sick is that?

The first step in this process is the confiscation of all their guns. Therefore, I don't think anyone is going to listen to your opinion.

We have a right and a duty to protect ourselves and our families.

Well good for you. If you feel you would be dangerous with a gun then you probably should not have one.

But if you are actually saying that anyone who has a gun or needs a gun is mentally unwell, then you should start a campaign to disarm all the policemen in the country.

Oh and don't forget the military men and women. They must be mentally unwell also.

We live in a world of war. Those without guns don't last long and are probably not free for long either.

That's just the way it is.

as soon as someone tells me more about how criminals care whether someplace is 'gun free'


especially the suicidal ones, which a large portion of mass murderers are,,,

There ya' go!! Now, ya' got it.

Gun Free Zones are an easy target for the loons.

Don't want to see more victims, arm the teachers and allow citizens to openly pack the weapon of their choosing.

I will tell you then.

In Dothan Alabama every grandmother has a gun in her purse. A concealed weapons permit was about ten dollars.

There was VERY LITTLE CRIME in that town.

My own mother-in-law had a gun in her purse and a man attempted to rob her at a stop light with a knife. He must have been from out of town.

She reached in her purse and pulled out her gun.

He ran.

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What counts as "proof" to you? There are whole books dedicated to this subject. Start with "More Guns, Less Crime". http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355724685&sr=8-1&keywords=more+guns%2C+less+crime

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wasnt the doer a 'citizen'

werent the five cops in the restaurant armed AND TRAINED?

werent there plenty of armed personell on the ARMY BASE ?

more arms doesnt stop violence, it adds to the violence

maybe that is relief based upon whom the violence is aimed at,, but once the lives begin being taken, the end count is never a relief to me

and , especially in situations like this, noone is gonna STOP a person with set targets from taking out some of them, no matter how fast they are,,,

So get rid of speed limits criminals will just go as fast as they want too. Get rid of assault laws might as well criminals will break the law anyway.

for every book that has a theory about how more guns equals less crime

there is a book that refutes it

thats possible because numbers are easily manipulated and there is no other CLEAR PROOF,,

as listed before the states with highest percentage of gun ownership are as follows

•1. Wyoming - 59.7%
•2. Alaska - 57.8%
•3. Montana - 57.7%
•4. South Dakota - 56.6%
•5. West Virginia - 55.4%
•6. Mississippi - 55.3%
•6. Idaho - 55.3%
•6. Arkansas - 55.3%
•9. Alabama - 51.7%
•10. North Dakota - 50.7


and the states with highest GUN VIOLENCE (per capita)


1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50


notice that of the top ten highest gun violence 6 of the ten states made the top ten MOST PERMISSIVE GUN LAWS

and out of that same top ten highest gun violence

5 of those states had the highest percentage of gun ownership


so, its not so clearcut that 'more guns equals less crime'

Then how do you explain Kennesaw Georgia? I have posted links to stories on it time after time and NOT ONE of any of the anti-gun people has even touched it, let alone try to explain it.

Here once again is a link explaining Kennesaw.:

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/gun-town-usa-25-years-murder-free/28388/

I think I know why nobody in the anti-gun camp has touched the Kennesaw issue...It is the proof and example that disproves the theory that more guns are bad and less guns are good. It becomes obvious that if federal gun legislation were similar to the Kennesaw city ordinance, the entire country would be a safer place to live...period.

This of course begs the question...If it is true, then why is federal gun legislation deliberately placing the public in harms way instead of promoting gun use to increase public safety as the city of Kennesaw did? This is a question you should be asking the people in Washington. Obviously, there is a reason they introduce "laws" inimical to the public interest...What is that reason?

I'm rather afraid that if they told you the REAL reason they'd like to disarm the public EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE EITHER LEAVING THE COUNTRY OR ARMING YOURSELVES TO THE TEETH.

In your lifetime, your government has never given you reason to trust them. For God's sake, don't trust them on this one!

There are lots of places with and without guns which are murder free!



Also there are lots of places with horrible murders which are gun free!!

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/342399



Restricted access to heavy arms is always good but the real problem is
lack of mental health care and poor education on how to handle and
use weapons.

We already have restricted access to weapons and many laws relating
to that. The problem is those who do not respect these laws and
those who have homocidal and or suicidal tendencies.

See the mass stabbing attack in china for example or the poisonings
of cult followers etc. Hey I am open to better restrictions of
firearms but it is dishonest to use the tragedy in CT to revive
the debate on gun control. It will be recognized as a fraud and discredit the cause.

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School Stabbings Focus Attention On China's Mental Health Care System

Intl Business Times
BY Michelle FlorCruz | December 15 2012 2:39 PM


A number of knife-wielding attacks on children in various schools across China have occurred in recent years, underlining the shortcomings of the nation's mental health care system.
School Stabbings Focus Attention On China's Mental Health Care System.

State-run news agency Xinhua has reported that Min Yingjun, 36, was arrested after he went on a stabbing rampage that left children and an elderly woman injured as they were walking to school on Friday morning. A post on Weibo, China's top microblogging site that's similar to Twitter, described the "vicious incident" that unfolded.

"One mental patient charged into a group of students on their way to school, hacked and injured one resident and 22 students," the post read.

http://www.ibtimes.com/school-stabbings-focus-attention-chinas-mental-health-care-system-938335