How can they NOT launch out of a populated area?...Gaza is the most densely populated region on earth. Israel dropped leaflets telling the citizens of gaza to avoid coming into close proximity of the violent extremists they were targeting. When people are packed together like sardines, where are they to go to comply with those instructions?

Presumably, they had nowhere to go but their homes, but it appears they weren't safe there either, as Israel has bombed some private homes, killing their occupants. Are these "surgical strikes" against terrorists, or a campaign of terror bombing by Israel?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html?_r=1&

Since Israel claims to be a Jewish state, maybe we should get the opinion of some Jewish people about the matter of Israel's attack on Gaza.:

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/20121115.cfm

So,why should they launch Rockets at all?
Where were the goddamn Demonstrations about the yearlong Rocket-Bombardment out of Gaza!
Tell me!
Where?

Oh Pallywood,
Oh Pallywood...........

Actually, Israel does warn civilians and does attack only those who
directly fire at them and Israel only directly attacka ammunition depots
and launchers. It is Hamas who purposefully attacks civilians and who
callously launch attacks next to innocent civilians to get them under
retaliatory fire. Disgusting.

And, Hamas could stop anytime and avoid further bloodshed but they
choose to continue to kill both Israelis and Palestinians.

To resist the illegal occupation of their land by a self-declared occupying state having no respect for international law that refuses to even move back to the Green Line?


As I understand it, the Jews against Zionism assert that the Zionist Regime shouldn't even be there in the first place. In terms of the general population's lack of sympathy for Israel, it's kinda hard to consider a bunch of people reduced to firing rocks & badly made roman candles as any kind of a credible threat to a nation with a huge, well-equipped army, and scads of sophisticated weaponry, including about 200 or more nukes, especially when that state spends its days on the West Bank cutting down Palestinian olive trees, tearing down their homes and ousting them from their own land to build illegal settlements.

Abbas is playing nice nice and still getting raped by Israel.

Keep your eye on the big gold dome... once it comes down, it's all over!

Maybe you ought to read res.242!
Then come back to us!
Besides,Gaza is not occupied!
Even Hamas denies it is occupied by Israel!
So,ho come Rockets out of unoccupied Gaza,and none out of Judea and Samaria!
Besides,moving back has to be negotiated by both sides under the Conditions set by Res.242!
Can't wait until 29th Nov.

We're pretty busy going over all of these resolutions below...
Why don't you post Res.242 in it's entirety?




Resolution 106: "...condemns Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...recommends Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...urges Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "...condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "...calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "...deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "...condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation"
Resolution 259: "...deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "...condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "...condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...demands immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...deplores Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon"
Resolution 444: "...deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "...expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "...reiterates that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are null and void"
Resolution 478: "...censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
Resolution 484: "...declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is null and void and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters"
Resolution 587: "...takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians"
Resolution 607: "...calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 608: "...deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 641: "...deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 672: "...condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount"
Resolution 673: "...deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations"
Resolution 681: "...deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 694: "...deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return"
Resolution 726: "...strongly condemns Israel's deportation of Palestinians"
Resolution 799: "...strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return."

what a surprise!
You were busy with Trash-Resolutions!

Yes,Jews against Zionism!
Hosts of the Iranian President!
God I love those Jokes!

I took your advice and looked at UN Security Council Res. 242. Here it is:

U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 242 
NOVEMBER 22, 1967
The Security Council,
Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,
Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,
Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:
Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
Affirms further the necessity
For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;
For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;
Requests the Secretary General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;
Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.


While I know Israel argues that it doesn't have to withdraw from ALL the conquered territories, it's a poor argument, and not in keeping with international law, or the spirit of the resolution, which clearly emphasizes "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of (ANY) territory by war". So Occupied Palestine (or any portion thereof), by international law, CANNOT be legally annexed by Israel (neither can East Jerusalem). Therefore the building of ANY Israeli settlements on occupied land is clearly an egregious breach of international law, as is Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people.
Israel is now the preeminent military power in the Middle East and clearly has no logical excuse for occupying Palestinian land for "security" reasons and certainly no lawful excuse for allowing such inhumane treatment of people with a lawful, hereditary claim to that land.

I also note another breach of Res. 242 in the attack (in international waters) by Israeli forces on the Mavi Marmara which resulted in the murder of nine aid workers. Israel can claim till it's blue in the face that it was "defending itself", but the simple fact is that it was an act of piracy and state terror committed on the high seas in clear breach of the law of nations and international maritime law. So much for "guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area."

So when is Israel going to to meet the conditions set by Res. 242 in 1967? I would have thought that 45 years might have been enough time to do that, but hey…maybe I'm kinda impatient; I know these things take time…

Should Obama support Israel against Gaza? That's a tough call for him to make. From all the UN resolutions and Israel's flagrant disregard for them (as well as for the UN itself), I dare say that the UN opposes Israel's entirely disproportional attack on Gaza. On the other hand, Israel's stranglehold on Washington is pretty tight.

Obama is currently selling out the American people to both the UN and Israel, but he can't keep sucking up to both. No man can serve two masters. He's gonna have to decide right quick which one owns him and his country.

How many logical fallacies can one cram into a post?

Note the rhetoric: "badly-made Roman Candles"

and the question remains!
Why Rockets out of Gaza,where Israel left from,yet none from Judea and Samaria that still has an Israeli presence?
So,how much is that much vaunted Land For Peace Deal worth?
IMO it's total Trash!
Neither PA,and especially Hamas have the slightest intent in adhering to it!

Can't wait for Nov.29th!
Hope some cool heads prevail in the UN,otherwise its bye-bye 242 and all the Oslo-Agreements plus all the other ones!

Shhh! You're not supposed to mention the rockets! They don't fit into the narrative. Remember, they are only "Roman Candles".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket

Well now, let's see..... The United States has conducted hundreds of drone missions in Pakistan since 2004.

Do they count as "Rockets?" Why isn't Pakistan launching an all out war against us? Oh that right... we are only killing and targeting "the bad guys."

Not true.....
sometimes our drones are not so smart.


Editor's note: Mirza Shahzad Akbar is Reprieve legal fellow in Pakistan, Director and Founder of Foundation for Fundamental Rights and a practicing human rights lawyer in Islamabad. He represents a number of families of victims affected by drone strikes.

Islamabad (CNN) -- On March 17, 2011 a drone attack killed at least 40 members of a Wazir tribal Jirga, which was resolving a land ownership dispute among sub-tribes in Waziristan, a mountainous region in northwest Pakistan, according to local media reports.

The reports claimed the Jirga was not the intended target and the predator was chasing a car before finally executing five people without any trial or due process near the Jirga. While this predator was hovering in the area, sophisticated cameras allegedly picked up images of a bigger gathering. Without appearing to have any intelligence or knowledge of its target, it fired four more missiles at the congregation.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/opinion/pakistan-drone-attacks-akbar/index.html

And Obama said on National News in regards to Israel and Gaza:

"There's no country on earth that would tolerate missiles reigning down on its citizens from outside it borders."

Here listen if you don't believe me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvGRIVr1G8&feature=youtu.be

So apparently he does know its wrong.

What Hamas is doing by shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel
is indeed wrong by any standard and we all know it. We also know that
such terrorists must be confronted and stopped with targeted attacks
like those used via drones in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen.

This is a perfectly consistent and morally justified position and
confronting the terrorists and eliminating them is effective and
lets everyone see that we will not tolerate terrorist intimidation
or attempts to deny our freedoms in the name of backwards Islamic
fundamentalism and petty religious bigotry.

You better hope Obama never suspects you of being a terrorist. I understand you only need to be a suspect. There are no trials.

...Israel

Isn't that what the British said shortly after Irgun terrorists bombed the King David Hotel in 1946? Ah, who am I kidding... Either they didn't say it, or they were just full of righteous indignation & hot air, gutless cowards that they were.

Israel was created by terrorism, and requires the continued use of state terror to kill or drive out the indigenous people of Palestine so they can finish stealing a land that was never rightfully theirs. Good thing the middle east isn't a beauty contest, because I'm pretty sure Israel blew the "Miss Congeniality" award.