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The so called "myth" made the papers:
"The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards." According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." Exerpts: (Different reports of different white vans) What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel. But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html Yeh, right.... the are "myths." ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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![]() No dancing or celebrating. Just people in the streets who were like everyone else in NY watching in horror as the World Trade Center Towers collapsed due to the heinous Al-Qaeda radical Islamist terror attacks on 911. |
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![]() No dancing or celebrating. Just people in the streets who were like everyone else in NY watching in horror as the World Trade Center Towers collapsed due to the heinous Al-Qaeda radical Islamist terror attacks on 911. Not according to witnesses. You were not there. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Sun 11/18/12 08:20 PM
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![]() No dancing or celebrating. Just people in the streets who were like everyone else in NY watching in horror as the World Trade Center Towers collapsed due to the heinous Al-Qaeda radical Islamist terror attacks on 911. Not according to witnesses. You were not there. Re-read the witness accounts, you are wrong. They never said anything about dancing. They just saw mideastern looking men watching the towers burn. Of course everyone in NY area was watching the towers burn and collapse. But there was no evidence of celebration or dancing or any such nonsense. Nothing like that was described by the original witnesses including the woman who reported it or the police officers who arrived and described the men and their watching the events unfold like everybody else. ![]() |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Sun 11/18/12 10:37 PM
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![]() No dancing or celebrating. Just people in the streets who were like everyone else in NY watching in horror as the World Trade Center Towers collapsed due to the heinous Al-Qaeda radical Islamist terror attacks on 911. Exactly, blown out of proprtion by anti-semites (as usual). ![]() However, this subject is off-topic. |
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Mon 11/19/12 12:45 AM
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To get us back on topic, I thought it might be best to get an IDF soldier's view regarding Gaza.:
http://xrepublic.tv/node/1042 Granted, he's talking about the 2009 conflict, but I see no appreciable difference between that one and the current one, so I'd be inclined to think his views are still valid. |
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![]() No dancing or celebrating. Just people in the streets who were like everyone else in NY watching in horror as the World Trade Center Towers collapsed due to the heinous Al-Qaeda radical Islamist terror attacks on 911. Not according to witnesses. You were not there. 'nuff said! |
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In yet another attempt to bring us back to topic and foster meaningful discussion, I found this newscast pertaining to the CURRENT conflict in the gaza Strip.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayD_rm1Vls&feature=player_embedded |
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In yet another attempt to bring us back to topic and foster meaningful discussion, I found this newscast pertaining to the CURRENT conflict in the gaza Strip.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayD_rm1Vls&feature=player_embedded Yes, It is horrible. All the fault of Hamas. If Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other terrorist groups in Gaza were not launching rockets into Israeli cities and towns then none of this would have happened. The Israeli's have been forced to destroy the rockets, launchers, and attack those trying to kill innocent Israelis. I hope Israel succeeds quickly in destroying the terrorist stockpiles of weapons and eliminating the Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders who are responsible for these heinous attacks. Hamas is also using their own men women and children as human shields. Hamas bears sole responsibility for this bloodshed. Tjere is hope however. Hamas can put a stop to it today by unilaterally stopping the rocket attacks on Israel. Hopefully they will lay down their arms renounce violence and start again to build a meaningful peace alongside Israel. |
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In yet another attempt to bring us back to topic and foster meaningful discussion, I found this newscast pertaining to the CURRENT conflict in the gaza Strip.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayD_rm1Vls&feature=player_embedded Yes, It is horrible. All the fault of Hamas. Didn't Max Blumenthal say in the interview that Israel broke the truce by first killing a Palestinian child? (I've heard this from other sources as well.) Are you alleging that he's lying for some reason? Why would he do that? |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Mon 11/19/12 08:25 AM
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In yet another attempt to bring us back to topic and foster meaningful discussion, I found this newscast pertaining to the CURRENT conflict in the gaza Strip.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayD_rm1Vls&feature=player_embedded Yes, It is horrible. All the fault of Hamas. Didn't Max Blumenthal say in the interview that Israel broke the truce by first killing a Palestinian child? (I've heard this from other sources as well.) Are you alleging that he's lying for some reason? Why would he do that? Good old Pallywood! Put you Civilians in harms way,then cry Crocodile-Tears when they get hurt! |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Mon 11/19/12 10:00 AM
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In yet another attempt to bring us back to topic and foster meaningful discussion, I found this newscast pertaining to the CURRENT conflict in the gaza Strip.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayD_rm1Vls&feature=player_embedded Yes, It is horrible. All the fault of Hamas. If Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other terrorist groups in Gaza were not launching rockets into Israeli cities and towns then none of this would have happened. The Israeli's have been forced to destroy the rockets, launchers, and attack those trying to kill innocent Israelis. I hope Israel succeeds quickly in destroying the terrorist stockpiles of weapons and eliminating the Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders who are responsible for these heinous attacks. Hamas is also using their own men women and children as human shields. Hamas bears sole responsibility for this bloodshed. There is hope however. Hamas can put a stop to it today by unilaterally stopping the rocket attacks on Israel. Hopefully they will lay down their arms renounce violence and start again to build a meaningful peace alongside Israel. Didn't Max Blumenthal say in the interview that Israel broke the truce by first killing a Palestinian child? (I've heard this from other sources as well.) Are you alleging that he's lying for some reason? Why would he do that? Good old Pallywood! Put you Civilians in harms way,then cry Crocodile-Tears when they get hurt! ![]() Hamas can put a stop to it today by unilaterally stopping the rocket attacks on Israel. Hopefully they will lay down their arms renounce violence and start again to build a meaningful peace alongside Israel. http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558826_10151094281252261_2001764453_n.jpg |
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In yet another attempt to bring us back to topic and foster meaningful discussion, I found this newscast pertaining to the CURRENT conflict in the gaza Strip.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayD_rm1Vls&feature=player_embedded Yes, It is horrible. All the fault of Hamas. Didn't Max Blumenthal say in the interview that Israel broke the truce by first killing a Palestinian child? (I've heard this from other sources as well.) Are you alleging that he's lying for some reason? Why would he do that? Good old Pallywood! Put you Civilians in harms way,then cry Crocodile-Tears when they get hurt! How do you know it was Hamas and not Islamic Jihad that fired those rockets? What makes you think Hamas wasn't intent on holding to the truce (at least until that child was killed by the IDF)? If a bunch of Mafia hoods out of New York came up to Canada and "whacked" a few Canadians, would Canada be justified in bombing the bejesus out of New York City and killing innocents to protect Canada from those New York Terrorists? |
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If a bunch of Mafia hoods out of New York came up to Canada and "whacked" a few Canadians, would Canada be justified in bombing the bejesus out of New York City and killing innocents to protect Canada from those New York Terrorists?
The new policy of the NWO will no doubt be to nuke any city that harbors any, no matter how small, terrorist cell. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Mon 11/19/12 10:31 AM
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In yet another attempt to bring us back to topic and foster meaningful discussion, I found this newscast pertaining to the CURRENT conflict in the gaza Strip.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ayD_rm1Vls&feature=player_embedded Yes, It is horrible. All the fault of Hamas. Didn't Max Blumenthal say in the interview that Israel broke the truce by first killing a Palestinian child? (I've heard this from other sources as well.) Are you alleging that he's lying for some reason? Why would he do that? Good old Pallywood! Put you Civilians in harms way,then cry Crocodile-Tears when they get hurt! How do you know it was Hamas and not Islamic Jihad that fired those rockets? What makes you think Hamas wasn't intent on holding to the truce (at least until that child was killed by the IDF)? If a bunch of Mafia hoods out of New York came up to Canada and "whacked" a few Canadians, would Canada be justified in bombing the bejesus out of New York City and killing innocents to protect Canada from those New York Terrorists? ![]() And,you really want to tell me that HAMAS,controlling Gaza is unaware what it's Factions are doing? ![]() Hamas makes "no distinctions between Jews, Zionists, and Israelis,"[61] which means their war is not about ending the Jewish "occupation" of Palestine but rather ridding the planet of Jews. As British academic Beverley Milton-Edwards noted, "The Hamas view of the Jewish people is not drawn solely from the pages of the Qur'an and Hadith [sayings and actions by Muhammad]. Its myopia is also the product of Western anti-Semitic [primarily Nazi] influences."[62] As a modern Islamist, jihadist movement, Hamas is defined by a distinctively modern mutation of Islamic hatred of Jews as exemplified in the writings of the Muslim Brotherhood's most influential jihadist ideologue, Sayyid Qutb. Qutb was known for quoting Islamic sources in his diatribes against the Jews to show that they are rejected by God and that on judgment day they shall "taste suffering through fire."[63] In his infamous essay "Our Struggle with the Jews," he quotes passages from the Qur'an, including, "You will surely find the worst enemies of the Muslim to be the Jews and the polytheists" (5:82), to show that "the Jews have confronted Islam with enmity from the moment that the Islamic state was established in Medina."[64] He continues with: "Everywhere the Jews have been they have committed unprecedented abominations."[65] Qutb's invocation of scripture and his use of a revisionist history are in keeping with a modern current in anti-Semitism, particularly when combined with his claim that the aim of world Jewry is to "penetrate into the body politic of the whole world and then … be free to perpetuate their evil designs."[66] This fear of a world Jewish conspiracy is distinctively modern, and the Muslim Brotherhood has bought into it. The preamble of Hamas's charter quotes Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna's statement that "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it."[67] When Banna made his assertion, the Jewish state did not yet exist, so the reference to Israel is a reference to the Jewish people. Hamas understands itself to be functioning not merely as a political or religious movement but as the incarnation of God's governance of the universe. Article 1 in its charter states that Hamas is "based on the common coordinated and interdependent conceptions of the laws of the universe." Accordingly, Hamas's deeds and aspirations are a reflection of God's laws of the universe. The organization extends its reach into a realm beyond that of the Nazis: Whereas the Nazis insisted on the purity of blood, the jihadists insist on the purity of their very being since what is at stake is the ultimate annihilation of the Jewish presence in the world.[68] As Banna put it, in its pure form, Islam regulates all of being—"the affairs of men in this world and the next"[69]—so that "the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood is pure and unsullied, unblemished by any stain."[70] Relying upon a famous hadith, article 7 of the charter states, "The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: 'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews [killing the Jews], when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'" Nature itself rebels against the existence of the Jews: Natural law, therefore, requires the eradication of the Jews. Thus there can be no compromise, no peace with the Jewish state which, by definition, is an evil and unnatural entity. For Hamas then, the issue of Palestine is not about land or the "right of return" or what shall be the capital of the future state, it is about universal, revealed truth and is beyond negotiation. This explains why initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion…. There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through jihad.[71] Article 15 states that "it is necessary that scientists, educators and teachers, information and media people, as well as the educated masses, especially the youth and sheikhs of the Islamic movements, should take part in the operation of awakening [the masses]." Thus it ends with the refrain from the famous collection of hadith by the renowned, ninth-century Muslim scholar al-Bukhari: "I will assault and kill, assault and kill, assault and kill [the Jews]."[72] Hamas also echoes Hitler's assertion that "only the greatness of the sacrifices will win new fighters for the cause"[73] when it proclaims that a good Muslim mother must indoctrinate her children for "religious duties in preparation for the role of fighting awaiting them."[74] Such a call to arms has, in recent years, transformed murder into martyrdom: The jihadist's ticket to paradise must be purchased not with his own blood but with Jewish blood. Hamas's view of the Jew as a pervasive, all-powerful presence that threatens humanity echoes Hitler's insistence that the Jew is an "invisible wire puller" who by stealth conspires to rule the world.[75] It also underlies their view of the Jew as a threat not only to the Arabs of Palestine but to all of humanity, as stated in article 22: Jews "were behind the French Revolution, the communist revolution, and most of the revolutions … They formed secret societies … They were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries … There is no war going on anywhere without having their finger in it." The Jew is behind every war—a belief shared by Hamas and Hitler. Therefore, the Jews are the source of every evil, a point reiterated in article 28: "The Zionist invasion [of the world] is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil… They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character, and annihilating Islam … Israel, Judaism, and Jews challenge Islam and the Muslim people." Article 32 takes the theme a step further: "When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion … Leaving the circle of struggle with Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who does that." The invocation of the Protocols as a proof text is, of course, a method also employed by the Nazis bringing to mind Banna's assertion that he had learned much from the Nazis about the use of propaganda. In Hamas's worldview, evil is rooted not only in the Jews but in Judaism itself. Unlike the rest of humanity, the Jew can be neither redeemed nor rehabilitated, any more than one could make Satan into a saint. The only way to liberate humanity is to cast the satanic Jew into hell, and, as the embodiment of God on earth, Hamas takes the lead in that endeavor: Hamas is humanity's savior. To abandon its mission would be to renounce its followers' place in paradise. Conclusion Politicians who are entrusted with securing the peace in the Middle East fail to see reality. Inasmuch as negotiators will not name the evil they confront, they remain blind to it. Enjoying the complicity of the media, leaders in the Obama administration and elsewhere refuse to refer to Islamist fascists as either Islamists or as fascists. Such a position reflects an inexcusable, willful ignorance of the history, religion, culture, and languages that go into the making of modern jihadism. What must be understood above all is this: Hamas and Fatah have developed a theological and ideological justification that precludes any negotiations that would lead to a lasting peace with a Jewish state. At best, one can expect an application of the PLO's phased strategy, which gives the illusion of peace without renouncing its goal of Jewish extermination. Neither Hamas nor Fatah can agree in good faith to any peace with the Jews since in their eyes to do so would amount to treason or apostasy or both. What then is to be done beyond naming the evil? Simply stated, Islamist jihadism must be eliminated, and given their ideological stances, neither Hamas nor Fatah can be a viable partner in peace; therefore, their removal from power is a prerequisite to any future for Israelis and Palestinians alike. Whether the present revolutionary turmoil sweeping the Arab world will produce such a result remains to be seen. David Patterson is Hillel Feinberg Chair in Holocaust studies at the University of Texas at Dallas. This article is based on research done for his book A Genealogy of Evil: Anti-Semitism from Nazism to Islamic Jihad (Cambridge University Press, 2011). They are Swine for Launching out of populated Areas,knowing exactly that some of their own will get hurt or killed,but accepting it for "The Cause"! Despicable Swine! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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They are using the citizens of Gaza as human shields.
They don't really care about those poor people. |
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They are using the citizens of Gaza as human shields. They don't really care about those poor people. Apparently neither does Israel. |
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They are using the citizens of Gaza as human shields. They don't really care about those poor people. Apparently neither does Israel. ![]() |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 11/19/12 11:01 AM
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They are using the citizens of Gaza as human shields. They don't really care about those poor people. Apparently neither does Israel. ![]() I would call the authorities. I would not launch a major attack on my neighbors and their children. |
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