Topic: 15 States have filed to secede from US
msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 11:40 AM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 11/13/12 11:41 AM



It's the gullible who buy the gov't talking points and their sponsored word presses that amaze me!

ALL veterans were put on the watch list along with people who carry a bible, a copy of the constitution, guns and ammo literature, prepper literature, and a bumper sticker can get you stopped and searched (that will never be admitted except on hidden camera videos.... and there are many!)!

Why would the government fear returning Veterans?

More will end up homeless, rejected by the VA, Baker acted, divorced and lose their children than will ever turn on the very nation that sent them into harms way and then treats them like they are terrorists rather than help them adapt back to civilian life or family counseling to help them keep their families alive.

Returning Veterans are less of a threat to this nation than the government, politicians and congressmen who plot and plan to destroy it every day. I personally cannot believe that our government could stoop to such a low level but then I am reminded of the Gulf of Tonkin, JFK, Ruby Ridge, Waco, 911 and on and on and on…..

More commit suicide than EVER before!

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/18/army-suicides-hit-all-time-high/


first off, the 'terrorist watch list' is not viewable by the common public, so I dont know whose names are on it nor does anyone on this thread

BUT

I do recall there being a bulletin , redistributed from a similar bulletin released under BUSH to local lawn enforcement officials
stating that military experience was often sought after by extremists
and that returning vets may be approached


this is FAR from all vets being placed on a terrorist watchlist


It was Nasty Piglousey who put returning vets in the "highest" catagory along with white supremists, survivalists, extremists and militia groups. The NBP was never mentioned, MEK and other foreign entities were removed, but not vets.

It was published in a DHS memo to law enforcement, released by a whistleblower/Oath Keeper, and enhanced the status of returning vets to "highest" probability.


if you say so,,


still no proof they are on a terrorist WATCHLIST for being vets though

and still not a NEW memo since it was similarly released after 9/11 and under Bush

its a no brainer that in a militia group, military experience would have the 'highest' preference in recruiting


TBRich's photo
Tue 11/13/12 11:50 AM
Actually, all you have to do is check out the situation in Colorado, where violence committed by vets is at a crisis level. Most of this is kept quiet. I would not be surprised if the Government put returning vets on a watch list, they have developed separate courts for them (similar to drug courts) in some areas.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:22 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 11/13/12 12:26 PM
As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf from the link below....

http://rtr.org/pages/Tracking-Secession

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:24 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 11/13/12 12:25 PM


As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



no photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:27 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 11/13/12 12:28 PM

As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

javascript:makeNewWindow();



I've heard this same strange tale before. Months ago.
I doubt if anything comes of it even it it is true.




Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:29 PM



As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:29 PM


As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

javascript:makeNewWindow();



I've heard this same strange tale before. Months ago.
I doubt if anything comes of it.






it makes good news


a minority of people in any state can sign their name on a piece of paper to make their complaint more national, and its newsworthy


looking at the numbers who didnt vote obama in any of those states is just as relevant a way to know that not everyone supported his election,,,,,

,,,when was the last time everyone supported a presidential candidate by the way?.....oh yeah,, NEVER...lol

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:31 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 11/13/12 12:32 PM




As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:36 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 11/13/12 12:37 PM





As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when faced with fact and truth and you fail to prevail in the argument!

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:38 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 11/13/12 12:39 PM






As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:42 PM







As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:43 PM








As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.



Ive actually never mentioned the word 'majority' in any of my posts

racism is as 'legitimate' as is discontent over a candidates defeat

y has the discussion been made about only the racism ? not my doing certainly,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:46 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 11/13/12 12:47 PM









As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.



Ive actually never mentioned the word 'majority' in any of my posts

racism is as 'legitimate' as is discontent over a candidates defeat

y has the discussion been made about only the racism ? not my doing certainly,,,




NOT YOUR DOING? You are the one who brought it up!

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

I don't see any mention of race in the petition at all!

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:47 PM










As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.



Ive actually never mentioned the word 'majority' in any of my posts

racism is as 'legitimate' as is discontent over a candidates defeat

y has the discussion been made about only the racism ? not my doing certainly,,,




NOT YOUR DOING? You are the one who brought it up!





I also brought up that people are upset about their candidate not winning

out of the two options given,, why was RACISM turned into the topic?

not my doing,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:50 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 11/13/12 12:52 PM











As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.



Ive actually never mentioned the word 'majority' in any of my posts

racism is as 'legitimate' as is discontent over a candidates defeat

y has the discussion been made about only the racism ? not my doing certainly,,,




NOT YOUR DOING? You are the one who brought it up!





I also brought up that people are upset about their candidate not winning

out of the two options given,, why was RACISM turned into the topic?

not my doing,,,


Over 60% of registered voters DIDN'T vote because they didn't like either candidate offered and figured a 3rd party didn't stand a chance.

Wouldn't you think that might have a little something to do with this issue?

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 12:53 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 11/13/12 12:54 PM












As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.



Ive actually never mentioned the word 'majority' in any of my posts

racism is as 'legitimate' as is discontent over a candidates defeat

y has the discussion been made about only the racism ? not my doing certainly,,,




NOT YOUR DOING? You are the one who brought it up!





I also brought up that people are upset about their candidate not winning

out of the two options given,, why was RACISM turned into the topic?

not my doing,,,


Over 60% of registered voters DIDN'T vote because they didn't like either candidate offered and knew a 3rd party didn't stand a chance.

Wouldn't you think that might have a little something to do with this issue?



I may consider that as possibly affecting this too

except that the petitions didnt start with the election process in which those candidates were put before the nation,, but AFTER one of those candidates was chosen,,,

which would point to some reason BESIDES mere discontent with the choices,,,

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Tue 11/13/12 12:58 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 11/13/12 01:01 PM













As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.



Ive actually never mentioned the word 'majority' in any of my posts

racism is as 'legitimate' as is discontent over a candidates defeat

y has the discussion been made about only the racism ? not my doing certainly,,,




NOT YOUR DOING? You are the one who brought it up!





I also brought up that people are upset about their candidate not winning

out of the two options given,, why was RACISM turned into the topic?

not my doing,,,


Over 60% of registered voters DIDN'T vote because they didn't like either candidate offered and knew a 3rd party didn't stand a chance.

Wouldn't you think that might have a little something to do with this issue?



I may consider that as possibly affecting this too

except that the petitions didnt start with the election process in which those candidates were put before the nation,, but AFTER one of those candidates was chosen,,,

which would point to some reason BESIDES mere discontent with the choices,,,


Again, you are making assumptions not based on fact!

Can you guarantee the same would not have happened if Robme had won with those who voted considering that 60% of voters were dissatisfied with either choice?

TBRich's photo
Tue 11/13/12 01:03 PM
I don't know about you, but I had at least four choices for president on my ballot and you don't see me flipping out that Jill Stein didn't win

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/13/12 01:08 PM














As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.



Ive actually never mentioned the word 'majority' in any of my posts

racism is as 'legitimate' as is discontent over a candidates defeat

y has the discussion been made about only the racism ? not my doing certainly,,,




NOT YOUR DOING? You are the one who brought it up!





I also brought up that people are upset about their candidate not winning

out of the two options given,, why was RACISM turned into the topic?

not my doing,,,


Over 60% of registered voters DIDN'T vote because they didn't like either candidate offered and knew a 3rd party didn't stand a chance.

Wouldn't you think that might have a little something to do with this issue?



I may consider that as possibly affecting this too

except that the petitions didnt start with the election process in which those candidates were put before the nation,, but AFTER one of those candidates was chosen,,,

which would point to some reason BESIDES mere discontent with the choices,,,


Again, you are making assumptions not based on fact!

Can you guarantee the same would not have happened if Robme had won with those who voted considering that 60% of voters were dissatisfied with either choice?





I cant 'guarantee' anything

as I stated before, of those who dont vote Im going to use logic to presume they are not satisfied with the choice they are given

Im going o take that logic a bit FURTHER to presume such a voice of objection to the choices would be made whe the choices were FIST presented

as opposd to after a choice is made

I would be very surprised if the same actions would have resulted from a Romney victory



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Tue 11/13/12 01:09 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 11/13/12 01:12 PM












As of Tuesday morning, 34 of 50 states are petitioning President Obama for peaceful secession from the United States of America. That number was only 23 yesterday. That is more than half of the states in America.


It's unclear whether these petitions are a nod to dissatisfaction that some think may soon match Civil War proportion,or not.


However, the utter contempt for the Obama administration indicated by this petition drive, which appears to be on its way to all fifty states, is very clear.

I will try to post the link with automatic updates.... it's and active pdf

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Av5qr_Sj6opddGVLT2M1ckhJOTZnSl9Hek5LRDRXSnc&toomany=true



more tantrums,,,the WE THE PEOPLE option that was IMPLEMENTED BY OBAMAS ADMINISTRATION,,lol

that there are people in every state who are racist is not new
that there are people in every state who are disenchanted when their candidate doest win is nothing new

the WE THE PEOPLE venue in which a few dozen or a few thousand people in a state can make their objections national knowledge,, is new,,,

shows lots of petitions for lots of things,, how many actually have the significant amount of signatures is another story



Why do you insist on playing the race card everty time there is opposition to your beloved Obozo?

You would make this issue about race and not policy?! noway



race is not a card, and I dont play anything 'everytime' Obama is the target of a thread

I Respond with my own opinion, like everyone else does..


why would people refuse to admit that race is one of the issues,, I also posted that many people are upset their candidate didnt win...


Im not one to avoid the elephant in the room because it makes people uncomfortable

I have said before, when I Can find no thing this president has supported or done that no president before him has done,, and then I compare the reaction to THOSE PResidents and this one,, the only DIFFERENCE that stands out is the race

so obviously, for some of these people protesting so much more adamantly than ever before,, race is an issue


Because most are above racism, don't consider it an issue of mention, or are so buried under bad policy they could care less!

Only some few wish to lable every dissent on his administartation a matter of racism. Seems to me a cry of desperation when when fact and truth fail to prevail in the argument!


dissent has always existed, the EXTREMES of the dissent are whats more unique, as is the race of the current president,,,


how do you know what others are feeling? ID concede the point if the ONLY issue I mentioned was race, but race was but one issue



an issue that apparently makes some extremely defensive and uncomfortable for some reason,,,


But you are assuming to speak for the majority on cause rather than offering a legitimate contest, with fact, as to the reasons.

It is your opinion only, not mine, so you are already 1/2 wrong in your asumptions.



Ive actually never mentioned the word 'majority' in any of my posts

racism is as 'legitimate' as is discontent over a candidates defeat

y has the discussion been made about only the racism ? not my doing certainly,,,




NOT YOUR DOING? You are the one who brought it up!





I also brought up that people are upset about their candidate not winning

out of the two options given,, why was RACISM turned into the topic?

not my doing,,,


Over 60% of registered voters DIDN'T vote because they didn't like either candidate offered and figured a 3rd party didn't stand a chance.

Wouldn't you think that might have a little something to do with this issue?


and where is the 60 percent from?

if there wree 120 odd million votes, that would mean there are 200 million registered voters...Id be surprised if it was that high,, but I will research it,,,


this source says 180 million registered, which would mean about 2/3 DID vote,,,