The Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.






Sentence two, would actually make it illegal for a state to secede. Because by doing so, they would be "mak(ing) or enforc(ing) any law which shall abridge the privleges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

At least I would assume if they tried to pass a law to secede, it would infringe upon those rights, as they would be saying that any resident of the state was no longer American.

Im with you on that point singmesweet! Ive met people like that you do not agree with me so your unamerican or somethings wrong with you

Let em go. Herd em all into Alaska and let em have it. They will lose their US citizenship anyway. All the benefits of being a citizen will be gone and we can treat em as hostile. Use the military to keep em in line.

No sense in fighting with em, if they don't want to be here, let em go.

I appreciate my citizenship here too much to want to leave here.

Especially like them, because a black man is president

And then determine Seceders have WMD (oil) and bomb it up a bit and take it back and teach em democracy like we do other places that are hostile.

I would like to see all the red states secede.

They can't have the property they sit on since it is part of the US of A.

The CSA did not secede over slavery. There were slaves in the North at the time the Civil war started, and Lincoln's purpose in the war was to prevent Southern independence rather than slave emancipation.

Lincoln himself said "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause."

Permission ain't gonna be forthcoming anyway. And even Rick Perry is now saying that he believes in the Union. Nice of him, that.

All talk, that's all it is. Just like the people who swear they're going to move to Canada if so-and-so gets elected. Hardly anyone actually does. I even said it to myself when George W was first elected, but surprise! the country even made it through those 8 years.

But now you have Carter/Bush rolled into one on Steroids!

its like people saying they lose weight to be fit and not to look nice

if they could look nice without being fit, they would not try to be fit

yet, ITS increasingly difficult to be fit if you are obese,, so obesity IS a motivation to lose weight

just as slavery was a primary MOTIVATION behind threats to secede

The one in Nevada has over 5,000 signatures. I checked an hour ago and it was at 4,000. I honestly think this is going to go nowhere but it's an awesome statement.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-nevada-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/3ff8v0HR

Here is the Nevada one!

http://mises.org/daily/6029/Rethinking-the-American-Union

snip>Hume proposed a large republic composed of 100 small republics. Laws passed by the national senate required ratification by a majority of the constituent republics. In essence, Hume thought, the advantages of small size could in this way be joined to the greater fighting power of a large state.

Hume's ideas, along with similar views by other writers, influenced the founders of the American republic; and here we arrive at the second of the two major contentions of this book. It is that America was founded not as a centralized Leviathan but as a federation of republics, each of which retains intact its sovereign power, except on matters delegated to the national government. Each state, on this view, retains the right to leave the federation, should it deem that the national government (or the other states) has sufficiently violated its rights. The 11 Southern states that seceded in 1861 thus acted legally, whether or not they were wise to do so.<snip

snip>Kent Masterton Brown, in his long and learned contribution to the book, very forcefully defends this position. As he points out,

The Constitution is an agreement "between the States so ratifying the same" [quoting the Constitution]. It has parties — the States. Each of the parties agreed to surrender some powers in exchange for receiving a "common defense" and some regulation of commerce between the States when it was necessary.… Each party retains the right to rescind its ratification of the Constitution if there is a material breach by other States or by the federal government created by the Constitution.… The framers and ratifiers of the Constitution unquestionably understood it to be a "compact." Not only did the document, in form, contain all the elements of a contract, but the prevailing political thought of revolutionary America underscored the fact that written constitutions were "compacts." (pp. 42–43)<snip

Why don't those who are so unhappy with America find a country that suits their needs better and move there?

but what other countries have the freedom of whinging and whining AND holding on to all your stuff?

most other 'free' countries have some level of the dreaded socialism in their system

Why don't those so willing to allow their freedoms and every aspect of their existence to be controlled by an out of control, corporate/banker sponsored gov't, stand up and defend her in her hour of greatest need instead of allowing her to be destroyed from within?

Everyone has an opinion, only 2% of Americans defend your right and ability to enjoy it.... our service men and women.

These same returning men and women are now higher on the terrorist watch list of our DHS than MEK or the Muslim Brotherhood.... which have now been removed under this administration.

By SARAH PARNASS ABC news
Nov. 12, 2012

A petition for Texas to secede from the union, submitted to the White House, reached the number of signatures needed to draw comment from the Obama administration today.

The petition appeared on a section of the White House website called "We the People" that invites users with a U.S. zip code to submit or sign petitions about policy changes they would like to see. A petition must reach 25,000 signatures within 30 days for the administration to comment on it.

The petition to "Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government," was submitted on Friday of last week. Just three days later, it zoomed past the 25,000 mark at 3:22 p.m. today and kept going.

In order to sign a petition, users must register with the site using a valid email address and entering their zip code. The site's terms of participation indicates it has mechanisms in place to block spam, but it does not say anything about verifying zip codes or state residency.

Many signatures on the petition came from Texas, but some also claimed to be from other states, including Flagstaff, Ariz., Pinebluff, Ark., and Rio Rancho, N.M. Some did not publicly list their residency.
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At least 17 other states have similar petitions to the Texas secession request on the We the People forum including New Jersey, New York, Montana, Colorado, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina, Oregon and Michigan. The closest behind Texas was Louisiana with 15,617 signatures.

so the states who didnt get their way want to take their ball and leave the playground?

interesting

hope the door doesnt split them,,,,,,,,,

Those service men and women voluntarily serve the country. They choose to do so. Do you often tell people that they should do that?