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again what are you talking about? He was separated from God because of your sin, because of my sin, because of everyone's sin. Which he then defeated and returned to his father in Heaven. He is no longer separated from God. Was only separated for that little time being. doesn't matter what reasons you try to conjure up..the facts are that according to the bible the Father forsaken Jesus, which clearly means that they are not one ... Again funches, please listen lol. They were not one at the time of Jesus feeling forsaken. He had been separated from the Father because of the world's sin separating him from the Father. He then defeated the sin for us all and rose from the grave the third day. Cowboy...are the Father and Jesus two seperate beings? Yeah lol, wow never thought I ever see/hear someone ask that question. That is why Jesus refers to his father in third person, my father this, my father that, I do the will of the father and not my own, ect. The father and Jesus are one spiritually, in their desires, in their goals, in how they do things. It's not like the father says they should do this, but Jesus is like "well iiiiiii don't know, maybe we should...". No, they are in agreement with one another, they are one. Cowboy....are they two seperate beings...yes or no? Yes they are two separate being, no one ever said they were one being. They are one God, they are one with their will/desires, and plans. They are one with their love for mankind, they operate as one, and so forth. Heck, there's one area that specifically shows they are two separate beings. When Jesus was on the cross, and the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased". |
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How does that prove that? Does it say Jeremiah was there in the beginning? No,Word. it doesn't mention the name Jesus either.....that's because before anyone was formed in the womb,they existed as The Word, a part of God..until they popped out of the womb and became Flesh |
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again what are you talking about? He was separated from God because of your sin, because of my sin, because of everyone's sin. Which he then defeated and returned to his father in Heaven. He is no longer separated from God. Was only separated for that little time being. doesn't matter what reasons you try to conjure up..the facts are that according to the bible the Father forsaken Jesus, which clearly means that they are not one ... Again funches, please listen lol. They were not one at the time of Jesus feeling forsaken. He had been separated from the Father because of the world's sin separating him from the Father. He then defeated the sin for us all and rose from the grave the third day. Cowboy...are the Father and Jesus two seperate beings? Yeah lol, wow never thought I ever see/hear someone ask that question. That is why Jesus refers to his father in third person, my father this, my father that, I do the will of the father and not my own, ect. The father and Jesus are one spiritually, in their desires, in their goals, in how they do things. It's not like the father says they should do this, but Jesus is like "well iiiiiii don't know, maybe we should...". No, they are in agreement with one another, they are one. Cowboy....are they two seperate beings...yes or no? Yes they are two separate being, no one ever said they were one being. They are one God, they are one with their will/desires, and plans. They are one with their love for mankind, they operate as one, and so forth. Heck, there's one area that specifically shows they are two separate beings. When Jesus was on the cross, and the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased". you said that God is only a title of authority and not a "being" ...which is why they are not "one" but two seperate being |
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How does that prove that? Does it say Jeremiah was there in the beginning? No,Word. it doesn't mention the name Jesus either.....that's because before anyone was formed in the womb,they existed as The Word, a part of God..until they popped out of the womb and became Flesh Jesus "popping" out of the womb has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being God or not, or him having anything to do with Jeremiah. With Jesus it specifically says "The Word became flesh". It does not say about Jeremiah. Jesus is the Word in the flesh, he was there in the beginning with God, he was God. |
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again what are you talking about? He was separated from God because of your sin, because of my sin, because of everyone's sin. Which he then defeated and returned to his father in Heaven. He is no longer separated from God. Was only separated for that little time being. doesn't matter what reasons you try to conjure up..the facts are that according to the bible the Father forsaken Jesus, which clearly means that they are not one ... Again funches, please listen lol. They were not one at the time of Jesus feeling forsaken. He had been separated from the Father because of the world's sin separating him from the Father. He then defeated the sin for us all and rose from the grave the third day. Cowboy...are the Father and Jesus two seperate beings? Yeah lol, wow never thought I ever see/hear someone ask that question. That is why Jesus refers to his father in third person, my father this, my father that, I do the will of the father and not my own, ect. The father and Jesus are one spiritually, in their desires, in their goals, in how they do things. It's not like the father says they should do this, but Jesus is like "well iiiiiii don't know, maybe we should...". No, they are in agreement with one another, they are one. Cowboy....are they two seperate beings...yes or no? Yes they are two separate being, no one ever said they were one being. They are one God, they are one with their will/desires, and plans. They are one with their love for mankind, they operate as one, and so forth. Heck, there's one area that specifically shows they are two separate beings. When Jesus was on the cross, and the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased". you said that God is only a title of authority and not a "being" ...which is why they are not "one" but two seperate being Yes I TOTALLY agree with you there Funches. They are two separate beings, NO ONE EVER said they weren't. Again, the word translated from the original language when Jesus says "The father and I are one" is referring to ideals/goals/direction/ideas/love/will/ect. |
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How does that prove that? Does it say Jeremiah was there in the beginning? No,Word. it doesn't mention the name Jesus either.....that's because before anyone was formed in the womb,they existed as The Word, a part of God..until they popped out of the womb and became Flesh Jesus "popping" out of the womb has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being God or not, or him having anything to do with Jeremiah. With Jesus it specifically says "The Word became flesh". It does not say about Jeremiah. Jesus is the Word in the flesh, he was there in the beginning with God, he was God. everyone was there in the beginning....everyone was with God....everyone was God ....if everyone was not God..then where did they come from? |
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How does that prove that? Does it say Jeremiah was there in the beginning? No,Word. it doesn't mention the name Jesus either.....that's because before anyone was formed in the womb,they existed as The Word, a part of God..until they popped out of the womb and became Flesh Jesus "popping" out of the womb has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being God or not, or him having anything to do with Jeremiah. With Jesus it specifically says "The Word became flesh". It does not say about Jeremiah. Jesus is the Word in the flesh, he was there in the beginning with God, he was God. everyone was there in the beginning....everyone was with God....everyone was God ....if everyone was not God..then where did they come from? No, not everyone was in the beginning, not everyone was with God, not everyone was God in the beginning. That is why it says "I formed you in the womb". He is not referring to specifically and seclusively to your physical form. |
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again what are you talking about? He was separated from God because of your sin, because of my sin, because of everyone's sin. Which he then defeated and returned to his father in Heaven. He is no longer separated from God. Was only separated for that little time being. doesn't matter what reasons you try to conjure up..the facts are that according to the bible the Father forsaken Jesus, which clearly means that they are not one ... Again funches, please listen lol. They were not one at the time of Jesus feeling forsaken. He had been separated from the Father because of the world's sin separating him from the Father. He then defeated the sin for us all and rose from the grave the third day. Cowboy...are the Father and Jesus two seperate beings? Yeah lol, wow never thought I ever see/hear someone ask that question. That is why Jesus refers to his father in third person, my father this, my father that, I do the will of the father and not my own, ect. The father and Jesus are one spiritually, in their desires, in their goals, in how they do things. It's not like the father says they should do this, but Jesus is like "well iiiiiii don't know, maybe we should...". No, they are in agreement with one another, they are one. Cowboy....are they two seperate beings...yes or no? Yes they are two separate being, no one ever said they were one being. They are one God, they are one with their will/desires, and plans. They are one with their love for mankind, they operate as one, and so forth. Heck, there's one area that specifically shows they are two separate beings. When Jesus was on the cross, and the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased". you said that God is only a title of authority and not a "being" ...which is why they are not "one" but two seperate being Yes I TOTALLY agree with you there Funches. They are two separate beings, NO ONE EVER said they weren't. Again, the word translated from the original language when Jesus says "The father and I are one" is referring to ideals/goals/direction/ideas/love/will/ect. and that is why the phrase "The Father and I are one" is why Jesus is a puppet...because he has no "Will" seperate from The Father even through he is a "seperate being" from the Father |
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How does that prove that? Does it say Jeremiah was there in the beginning? No,Word. it doesn't mention the name Jesus either.....that's because before anyone was formed in the womb,they existed as The Word, a part of God..until they popped out of the womb and became Flesh Jesus "popping" out of the womb has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being God or not, or him having anything to do with Jeremiah. With Jesus it specifically says "The Word became flesh". It does not say about Jeremiah. Jesus is the Word in the flesh, he was there in the beginning with God, he was God. everyone was there in the beginning....everyone was with God....everyone was God ....if everyone was not God..then where did they come from? No, not everyone was in the beginning, not everyone was with God, not everyone was God in the beginning. That is why it says "I formed you in the womb". He is not referring to specifically and seclusively to your physical form. if everyone is not from God...then where are they from? |
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How does that prove that? Does it say Jeremiah was there in the beginning? No,Word. it doesn't mention the name Jesus either.....that's because before anyone was formed in the womb,they existed as The Word, a part of God..until they popped out of the womb and became Flesh Jesus "popping" out of the womb has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being God or not, or him having anything to do with Jeremiah. With Jesus it specifically says "The Word became flesh". It does not say about Jeremiah. Jesus is the Word in the flesh, he was there in the beginning with God, he was God. everyone was there in the beginning....everyone was with God....everyone was God ....if everyone was not God..then where did they come from? No, not everyone was in the beginning, not everyone was with God, not everyone was God in the beginning. That is why it says "I formed you in the womb". He is not referring to specifically and seclusively to your physical form. if everyone is not from God...then where are they from? They are created in the womb. They come from God in the long run as he is whom creates them/us. But we are not formed until we are formed in the whom. We do not exist till then. |
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again what are you talking about? He was separated from God because of your sin, because of my sin, because of everyone's sin. Which he then defeated and returned to his father in Heaven. He is no longer separated from God. Was only separated for that little time being. doesn't matter what reasons you try to conjure up..the facts are that according to the bible the Father forsaken Jesus, which clearly means that they are not one ... Again funches, please listen lol. They were not one at the time of Jesus feeling forsaken. He had been separated from the Father because of the world's sin separating him from the Father. He then defeated the sin for us all and rose from the grave the third day. Cowboy...are the Father and Jesus two seperate beings? Yeah lol, wow never thought I ever see/hear someone ask that question. That is why Jesus refers to his father in third person, my father this, my father that, I do the will of the father and not my own, ect. The father and Jesus are one spiritually, in their desires, in their goals, in how they do things. It's not like the father says they should do this, but Jesus is like "well iiiiiii don't know, maybe we should...". No, they are in agreement with one another, they are one. Cowboy....are they two seperate beings...yes or no? Yes they are two separate being, no one ever said they were one being. They are one God, they are one with their will/desires, and plans. They are one with their love for mankind, they operate as one, and so forth. Heck, there's one area that specifically shows they are two separate beings. When Jesus was on the cross, and the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased". you said that God is only a title of authority and not a "being" ...which is why they are not "one" but two seperate being Yes I TOTALLY agree with you there Funches. They are two separate beings, NO ONE EVER said they weren't. Again, the word translated from the original language when Jesus says "The father and I are one" is referring to ideals/goals/direction/ideas/love/will/ect. and that is why the phrase "The Father and I are one" is why Jesus is a puppet...because he has no "Will" seperate from The Father even through he is a "seperate being" from the Father No, it's just means his will is one with the father. That he has the same desires and wants. |
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They are created in the womb. They come from God in the long run as he is whom creates them/us. But we are not formed until we are formed in the whom. We do not exist till then. Jeremiah 1:5 is proof that Jeremiah existed before the womb .... and if everyone is from God and with God and was God before they became Flesh...that is why everyone was once The Word |
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again what are you talking about? He was separated from God because of your sin, because of my sin, because of everyone's sin. Which he then defeated and returned to his father in Heaven. He is no longer separated from God. Was only separated for that little time being. doesn't matter what reasons you try to conjure up..the facts are that according to the bible the Father forsaken Jesus, which clearly means that they are not one ... Again funches, please listen lol. They were not one at the time of Jesus feeling forsaken. He had been separated from the Father because of the world's sin separating him from the Father. He then defeated the sin for us all and rose from the grave the third day. Cowboy...are the Father and Jesus two seperate beings? Yeah lol, wow never thought I ever see/hear someone ask that question. That is why Jesus refers to his father in third person, my father this, my father that, I do the will of the father and not my own, ect. The father and Jesus are one spiritually, in their desires, in their goals, in how they do things. It's not like the father says they should do this, but Jesus is like "well iiiiiii don't know, maybe we should...". No, they are in agreement with one another, they are one. Cowboy....are they two seperate beings...yes or no? Yes they are two separate being, no one ever said they were one being. They are one God, they are one with their will/desires, and plans. They are one with their love for mankind, they operate as one, and so forth. Heck, there's one area that specifically shows they are two separate beings. When Jesus was on the cross, and the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased". you said that God is only a title of authority and not a "being" ...which is why they are not "one" but two seperate being Yes I TOTALLY agree with you there Funches. They are two separate beings, NO ONE EVER said they weren't. Again, the word translated from the original language when Jesus says "The father and I are one" is referring to ideals/goals/direction/ideas/love/will/ect. and that is why the phrase "The Father and I are one" is why Jesus is a puppet...because he has no "Will" seperate from The Father even through he is a "seperate being" from the Father No, it's just means his will is one with the father. That he has the same desires and wants. that's what a puppet is....his desires and wants are the exact same as the puppet master |
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They are created in the womb. They come from God in the long run as he is whom creates them/us. But we are not formed until we are formed in the whom. We do not exist till then. Jeremiah 1:5 is proof that Jeremiah existed before the womb .... and if everyone is from God and with God and was God before they became Flesh...that is why everyone was once The Word Again, has no reference to the Word. And does not say Jeremiah was with God in the beginning. Does not say anything about Jeremiah in the beginning nor any reference of him about being in the beginning in any of the scriptures. God did not create Jeremiah in the beginning. Please Funches, stay on track here. |
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again what are you talking about? He was separated from God because of your sin, because of my sin, because of everyone's sin. Which he then defeated and returned to his father in Heaven. He is no longer separated from God. Was only separated for that little time being. doesn't matter what reasons you try to conjure up..the facts are that according to the bible the Father forsaken Jesus, which clearly means that they are not one ... Again funches, please listen lol. They were not one at the time of Jesus feeling forsaken. He had been separated from the Father because of the world's sin separating him from the Father. He then defeated the sin for us all and rose from the grave the third day. Cowboy...are the Father and Jesus two seperate beings? Yeah lol, wow never thought I ever see/hear someone ask that question. That is why Jesus refers to his father in third person, my father this, my father that, I do the will of the father and not my own, ect. The father and Jesus are one spiritually, in their desires, in their goals, in how they do things. It's not like the father says they should do this, but Jesus is like "well iiiiiii don't know, maybe we should...". No, they are in agreement with one another, they are one. Cowboy....are they two seperate beings...yes or no? Yes they are two separate being, no one ever said they were one being. They are one God, they are one with their will/desires, and plans. They are one with their love for mankind, they operate as one, and so forth. Heck, there's one area that specifically shows they are two separate beings. When Jesus was on the cross, and the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased". you said that God is only a title of authority and not a "being" ...which is why they are not "one" but two seperate being Yes I TOTALLY agree with you there Funches. They are two separate beings, NO ONE EVER said they weren't. Again, the word translated from the original language when Jesus says "The father and I are one" is referring to ideals/goals/direction/ideas/love/will/ect. and that is why the phrase "The Father and I are one" is why Jesus is a puppet...because he has no "Will" seperate from The Father even through he is a "seperate being" from the Father No, it's just means his will is one with the father. That he has the same desires and wants. that's what a puppet is....his desires and wants are the exact same as the puppet master Sorry Funches, but a puppet has no desires, no wants. It automatically does what the puppet master forces it to do. It doesn't act on it's own, out of it's own desires. It's actually not even the puppet doing anything, but the puppet master doing everything even down to the voice. |
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Again, has no reference to the Word. And does not say Jeremiah was with God in the beginning. Does not say anything about Jeremiah in the beginning nor any reference of him about being in the beginning in any of the scriptures. God did not create Jeremiah in the beginning. Please Funches, stay on track here. God didn't create Jesus in the beginning....check the scriptures...you won't find the name "Jesus" anywhere in Genesis ... Jesus like Jeremiah like everyone, was in the beginning "The Word" until they became or become seperated from God by being born in the flesh |
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Sorry Funches, but a puppet has no desires, no wants. It automatically does what the puppet master forces it to do. It doesn't act on it's own, out of it's own desires. It's actually not even the puppet doing anything, but the puppet master doing everything even down to the voice. yep, that's exactly what Jesus was doing this is why I asked you for a passage from the bible in which Jesus did his own Will apart from the father ....this will prove that he is not a puppet ..... so ...er.. can you provide one? |
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Again, has no reference to the Word. And does not say Jeremiah was with God in the beginning. Does not say anything about Jeremiah in the beginning nor any reference of him about being in the beginning in any of the scriptures. God did not create Jeremiah in the beginning. Please Funches, stay on track here. God didn't create Jesus in the beginning....check the scriptures...you won't find the name "Jesus" anywhere in Genesis ... Jesus like Jeremiah like everyone, was in the beginning "The Word" until they became or become seperated from God by being born in the flesh The Word is a singular noun, it is not Words and is not referring to more then one being. The ONLY place it refers to the Word becoming flesh is with Jesus. And again, show where there's evidence EVERYONE was with God in the beginning. I can show where just the Word was in the beginning with God and man/woman was created later. |
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Sorry Funches, but a puppet has no desires, no wants. It automatically does what the puppet master forces it to do. It doesn't act on it's own, out of it's own desires. It's actually not even the puppet doing anything, but the puppet master doing everything even down to the voice. yep, that's exactly what Jesus was doing this is why I asked you for a passage from the bible in which Jesus did his own Will apart from the father ....this will prove that he is not a puppet ..... so ...er.. can you provide one? Again what in the world are you talking about Funches? Jesus did the will of the father on his own, his desire to do the will of the father. Not because he had no other choice lol. What does one gain by doing their own will above another? They only gain for themselves, that is a bit selfish Funches. Do you only do your will and not the will of others? |
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Again, has no reference to the Word. And does not say Jeremiah was with God in the beginning. Does not say anything about Jeremiah in the beginning nor any reference of him about being in the beginning in any of the scriptures. God did not create Jeremiah in the beginning. Please Funches, stay on track here. God didn't create Jesus in the beginning....check the scriptures...you won't find the name "Jesus" anywhere in Genesis ... Jesus like Jeremiah like everyone, was in the beginning "The Word" until they became or become seperated from God by being born in the flesh The Word is a singular noun, it is not Words and is not referring to more then one being. The ONLY place it refers to the Word becoming flesh is with Jesus. And again, show where there's evidence EVERYONE was with God in the beginning. I can show where just the Word was in the beginning with God and man/woman was created later. Man is also a singular noun...and refers to a race of people ...therefore The Word refers to those not yet in the flesh |
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