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msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/07/12 08:39 AM
we have become too dependent upon the 'instant' media anyway,,, Perhaps, one day, they will recall Al Gore's internet and only allow MSNBS to deliver the news. That would make for a much nicer world, no? as Ive noted many times before, there is no era in american history without injustices and obstacles,,so Im not for eliminating technology at all because it has many perks Im just of the belief that TOO much of anything can be bad and we currently have just TOO much instant misinformation passing off as facts and setting a foundation for a mass dependency upon the technology to do all the work, leaving us actually weaker and less while having the illusion that we have become faster and smarter,,,

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Sun 10/07/12 09:10 AM
msharmony...It's not easy to "say nothing" and walk-away from a potential "fight." But if someone is engaging in non-stop sarcasm or "slurs" (or snide remarks) I don't consider the person a "fair and balanced" or truly open-minded debating partner...I just feel that it's best to walk-away and leave someone like this "be." I'm not afraid of "fighting." In the old days I could be quite a "rebel-rouser!" (Self-righteous?)...I was very idealistic and believed that the world might come to an end if I didn't "convert" everyone around to my beliefs and my way of thinking!...Today I tend to "pick" and "choose" my fights. (But to be honest I think that "fighting" is pretty stupid today and a waste of time.)...I enjoy open-ended discussions where everyone takes a more modest approach. (Me too!) How about you?...I agree with you about satire! Sometimes it's healthy to take a step-back and see some humor in life! So we don't "crack-up!"....Have to leave for awhile. I'm going to a local Christian church with a friend to see how far the pastor will take his political endorsements today. (And to observe the reactions of his "flock.") I'd attend all the services in the area if I could just to hear what is being "said" today!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/07/12 09:37 AM Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/07/12 09:45 AM
msharmony...It's not easy to "say nothing" and walk-away from a potential "fight." But if someone is engaging in non-stop sarcasm or "slurs" (or snide remarks) I don't consider the person a "fair and balanced" or truly open-minded debating partner...I just feel that it's best to walk-away and leave someone like this "be." I'm not afraid of "fighting." In the old days I could be quite a "rebel-rouser!" (Self-righteous?)...I was very idealistic and believed that the world might come to an end if I didn't "convert" everyone around to my beliefs and my way of thinking!...Today I tend to "pick" and "choose" my fights. (But to be honest I think that "fighting" is pretty stupid today and a waste of time.)...I enjoy open-ended discussions where everyone takes a more modest approach. (Me too!) How about you?...I agree with you about satire! Sometimes it's healthy to take a step-back and see some humor in life! So we don't "crack-up!"....Have to leave for awhile. I'm going to a local Christian church with a friend to see how far the pastor will take his political endorsements today. (And to observe the reactions of his "flock.") I'd attend all the services in the area if I could just to hear what is being "said" today! I dont like to 'fight' either and I also try to walk away once a subject has run its course/gets redundant where I get stuck, is in the knowledge that so many read these threads even though they dont participate, I feel the urge to give some BALANCE of perspective,, not for the arguments sake, but just to offer information in an attempt to counter misinformation and so those who merely read, have more to consider than just one side or one set of opinions and facts,,, the event you speak of sounds interesting enjoy the experience,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sun 10/07/12 10:09 AM
Liberals and balance are contradictory terms. Barry and Robme are both elitist trash. MSM is pure misinformation and only interested in their own agenda and ratings.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/07/12 10:13 AM
Liberals and balance are contradictory terms. Barry and Robme are both elitist trash. MSM is pure misinformation and only interested in their own agenda and ratings. balance is not a political term Obama and Romney are not both elitist, one bypassed practicing law to organize in chicagos impoverished communities the other bypassed going to war to teach french folks about mormonism ,,,ID say they are in different classes financially and culturally MSM gives information across the spectrum, depending upon which shows are watched and who is sponsoring them,, so they also have a balance that you just have to look for by not obsessing too much on any one channel/commentator/show,,,,

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Sun 10/07/12 02:37 PM
msharmony...Things have seemed a bit lopsided in the political section of this forum..Sometimes I post in another forum and there is more of a mix and balance in their political section...Some (but not all) of the conservatives in the other forum have regrets that Romney became the nominee. (And they state "why.")...There are some "pot-shotters" on the other forum but there is deeper analysis at times too...Anyway good that you try to add some balance here...The pastor of the church I went to didn't go overboard with political endorsements today...Everyone is directed to check-out a web-site that lists each candidate's voting record in regard to "right to life" issues and their support for Israel etc. Of course Romney seems like the clear choice on the site...I hope church-goers don't think that their pastor or minister "speaks for God" when it comes to who to support for president! What do you think?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/07/12 02:41 PM
msharmony...Things have seemed a bit lopsided in the political section of this forum..Sometimes I post in another forum and there is more of a mix and balance in their political section...Some (but not all) of the conservatives in the other forum have regrets that Romney became the nominee. (And they state "why.")...There are some "pot-shotters" on the other forum but there is deeper analysis at times too...Anyway good that you try to add some balance here...The pastor of the church I went to didn't go overboard with political endorsements today...Everyone is directed to check-out a web-site that lists each candidate's voting record in regard to "right to life" issues and their support for Israel etc. Of course Romney seems like the clear choice on the site...I hope church-goers don't think that their pastor or minister "speaks for God" when it comes to who to support for president! What do you think? ahh, thats a tricky question because each candidate is an equally flawed person and there is no clear candidate that is more 'christian' or righteous than the other in my opinion I think it is a pastors place to instruct and guide in regards to what the bible teaches on issues like the value of life, and sexual relations,family, love,,etc,,, and I think the pastor should address it only from the standpoint of the issue without assigning it one way or another to a political candidate,,,

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Sun 10/07/12 03:24 PM
msharmony...Things have seemed a bit lopsided in the political section of this forum..Sometimes I post in another forum and there is more of a mix and balance in their political section...Some (but not all) of the conservatives in the other forum have regrets that Romney became the nominee. (And they state "why.")...There are some "pot-shotters" on the other forum but there is deeper analysis at times too...Anyway good that you try to add some balance here...The pastor of the church I went to didn't go overboard with political endorsements today...Everyone is directed to check-out a web-site that lists each candidate's voting record in regard to "right to life" issues and their support for Israel etc. Of course Romney seems like the clear choice on the site...I hope church-goers don't think that their pastor or minister "speaks for God" when it comes to who to support for president! What do you think? ahh, thats a tricky question because each candidate is an equally flawed person and there is no clear candidate that is more 'christian' or righteous than the other in my opinion I think it is a pastors place to instruct and guide in regards to what the bible teaches on issues like the value of life, and sexual relations,family, love,,etc,,, and I think the pastor should address it only from the standpoint of the issue without assigning it one way or another to a political candidate,,,

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Sun 10/07/12 10:45 PM
msharmony...Things have seemed a bit lopsided in the political section of this forum..Sometimes I post in another forum and there is more of a mix and balance in their political section...Some (but not all) of the conservatives in the other forum have regrets that Romney became the nominee. (And they state "why.")...There are some "pot-shotters" on the other forum but there is deeper analysis at times too...Anyway good that you try to add some balance here...The pastor of the church I went to didn't go overboard with political endorsements today...Everyone is directed to check-out a web-site that lists each candidate's voting record in regard to "right to life" issues and their support for Israel etc. Of course Romney seems like the clear choice on the site...I hope church-goers don't think that their pastor or minister "speaks for God" when it comes to who to support for president! What do you think? ahh, thats a tricky question because each candidate is an equally flawed person and there is no clear candidate that is more 'christian' or righteous than the other in my opinion I think it is a pastors place to instruct and guide in regards to what the bible teaches on issues like the value of life, and sexual relations,family, love,,etc,,, and I think the pastor should address it only from the standpoint of the issue without assigning it one way or another to a political candidate,,, I agree...It seems like some Christian churches and groups are directly linked to the Republican party these days...I guess it's tied to abortion and same-sex marriage issues etc. I'm still adjusting to the Republican party being tied to religious concerns. Ths wasn't the case when I was younger.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Sun 10/07/12 10:54 PM
How do you feel about the way politics is discussed today?.. I don't think we're going to be able to find solutions to our problems if all we do is "sling mud" and point fingers at each other. (And "trash" the other "side.") But that is how Obama and the Democrats win elections. Obama has some of the best ones in the business working for his campaign.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 10/08/12 01:53 AM
How do you feel about the way politics is discussed today?.. I don't think we're going to be able to find solutions to our problems if all we do is "sling mud" and point fingers at each other. (And "trash" the other "side.") But that is how Obama and the Democrats win elections. Obama has some of the best ones in the business working for his campaign.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 10/08/12 07:29 AM
How do you feel about the way politics is discussed today?.. I don't think we're going to be able to find solutions to our problems if all we do is "sling mud" and point fingers at each other. (And "trash" the other "side.") But that is how Obama and the Democrats win elections. Obama has some of the best ones in the business working for his campaign. The very next day, Hussein, instead of doing his job, out selling more BS, started his speach with, that was not Mitt Romney up in da' house.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 10/08/12 07:38 AM
How do you feel about the way politics is discussed today?.. I don't think we're going to be able to find solutions to our problems if all we do is "sling mud" and point fingers at each other. (And "trash" the other "side.") But that is how Obama and the Democrats win elections. Obama has some of the best ones in the business working for his campaign. also,the Alinsky-Principles are a huge help!

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Mon 10/08/12 08:23 AM
Who is going to be turned into the "biggest joke?" Obama or Romney?...Or both of them? And our entire political system?...It's easy to become negative and disillusioned. And "burnt-out" in general...I don't want to get stuck in negativity to the point that I view everyone and everything as a "big joke." (And nothing else!) But I don't want to be naive either...I try to avoid hanging-out with people who have become totally "burnt-out." (When it comes to anything in life.)...I get "down." I have moments when I sink into despair and lose hope. And feel like organizing a "lynch mob" and going after anyone who has let me "down."...But I don't want to stay in this "mental state" forever and ever. (Because it just doesn't "feel good" to be totally negative and "burnt-out" 24/7 day after day.)

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 10/08/12 12:00 PM
Who is going to be turned into the "biggest joke?" Obama or Romney?...Or both of them? And our entire political system?...It's easy to become negative and disillusioned. And "burnt-out" in general...I don't want to get stuck in negativity to the point that I view everyone and everything as a "big joke." (And nothing else!) But I don't want to be naive either...I try to avoid hanging-out with people who have become totally "burnt-out." (When it comes to anything in life.)...I get "down." I have moments when I sink into despair and lose hope. And feel like organizing a "lynch mob" and going after anyone who has let me "down."...But I don't want to stay in this "mental state" forever and ever. (Because it just doesn't "feel good" to be totally negative and "burnt-out" 24/7 day after day.) I feel ya Green I find laughter is better for the health though, than arguing and beating ones head against a wall my laugh, btw, was not because I consider things a joke, but because I found it hilarious that the response to your post about the nonsense of finger pointing was IMMEDIATELY someone doing more of the same,,, sorry, ,,,your point is actually right on point and I wasnt trying to make a joke of it at all,,,

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 10/08/12 02:34 PM
Who is going to be turned into the "biggest joke?" Obama or Romney?...Or both of them? And our entire political system?...It's easy to become negative and disillusioned. And "burnt-out" in general...I don't want to get stuck in negativity to the point that I view everyone and everything as a "big joke." (And nothing else!) But I don't want to be naive either...I try to avoid hanging-out with people who have become totally "burnt-out." (When it comes to anything in life.)...I get "down." I have moments when I sink into despair and lose hope. And feel like organizing a "lynch mob" and going after anyone who has let me "down."...But I don't want to stay in this "mental state" forever and ever. (Because it just doesn't "feel good" to be totally negative and "burnt-out" 24/7 day after day.) Both MSM candidates are scum-bucket losers not even fit to chum for sharks with.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Mon 10/08/12 02:40 PM
Who is going to be turned into the "biggest joke?" Obama or Romney?...Or both of them? And our entire political system?...It's easy to become negative and disillusioned. And "burnt-out" in general...I don't want to get stuck in negativity to the point that I view everyone and everything as a "big joke." (And nothing else!) But I don't want to be naive either...I try to avoid hanging-out with people who have become totally "burnt-out." (When it comes to anything in life.)...I get "down." I have moments when I sink into despair and lose hope. And feel like organizing a "lynch mob" and going after anyone who has let me "down."...But I don't want to stay in this "mental state" forever and ever. (Because it just doesn't "feel good" to be totally negative and "burnt-out" 24/7 day after day.) Both MSM candidates are scum-bucket losers not even fit to chum for sharks with. Your use of ad hominem is entertaining.

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Mon 10/08/12 06:51 PM
Who is going to be turned into the "biggest joke?" Obama or Romney?...Or both of them? And our entire political system?...It's easy to become negative and disillusioned. And "burnt-out" in general...I don't want to get stuck in negativity to the point that I view everyone and everything as a "big joke." (And nothing else!) But I don't want to be naive either...I try to avoid hanging-out with people who have become totally "burnt-out." (When it comes to anything in life.)...I get "down." I have moments when I sink into despair and lose hope. And feel like organizing a "lynch mob" and going after anyone who has let me "down."...But I don't want to stay in this "mental state" forever and ever. (Because it just doesn't "feel good" to be totally negative and "burnt-out" 24/7 day after day.) I feel ya Green I find laughter is better for the health though, than arguing and beating ones head against a wall my laugh, btw, was not because I consider things a joke, but because I found it hilarious that the response to your post about the nonsense of finger pointing was IMMEDIATELY someone doing more of the same,,, sorry, ,,,your point is actually right on point and I wasnt trying to make a joke of it at all,,, Sorry...I wasn't referring to you or your post..I was just writing in general..I can be a rebel in so many ways. But I've never been one to totally "trash" or ridicule or belittle any president. If I don't agree with someone's policies I just "say so" in normal ways..You seem the same way! You seem sane and rational and respectful. And I appreciate this about you! Thanks!

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Mon 10/08/12 07:27 PM
It seems like some Christian churches and groups are directly linked to the Republican party these days...I guess it's tied to abortion and same-sex marriage issues etc. I'm still adjusting to the Republican party being tied to religious concerns. This wasn't the case when I was younger. Certain churches and groups favor planks in the Republican Party platform that speak against same-sex marriage and abortion on demand. Although the Bible is silent about the topic of abortion, it has plenty to say about a sexual relationship between two people of the same gender. The Republican Party's official position on same-sex marriage mirrors a belief about marriage that is found in a variety of religious groups and cultural groups throughout human history.

GreenEyes48 Joined Thu 08/26/10 Posts: 1319	Tue 10/09/12 06:53 AM
It seems like some Christian churches and groups are directly linked to the Republican party these days...I guess it's tied to abortion and same-sex marriage issues etc. I'm still adjusting to the Republican party being tied to religious concerns. This wasn't the case when I was younger. Certain churches and groups favor planks in the Republican Party platform that speak against same-sex marriage and abortion on demand. Although the Bible is silent about the topic of abortion, it has plenty to say about a sexual relationship between two people of the same gender. The Republican Party's official position on same-sex marriage mirrors a belief about marriage that is found in a variety of religious groups and cultural groups throughout human history. We've definitely become a nation of single-issue voters and groups pushing for their specific "causes" and agendas...When I was growing-up we received 2 publications in the mail each month...One came from the Catholic church. There was a section in the newsletter that rated the latest movies. Every so often the church "condemned" a certain movie. (For various reasons.) Back then there were few "R-rated" movies...The movie "Psycho" was on the "condemned list" and I thought this was odd. (I snuck in to see it anyway.)...We also received a monthly newsletter from my Dad's union. The publication had a section called: "Do Not Patronize." It listed companies (and their products) who were basically anti-union...And there was a list of companies that had recent lay-offs or "lock-outs" or "strikes" etc...Anyway early in life I learned about "group-affliations" and each group's potential influence over our lives...We might feel obligated to follow in our parent's footsteps when it comes to our religious or political beliefs. (Families are "groups" too with their own set of expectations for each "member.")