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Topic: 20 reasons NOT to attack Iran
Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 08/28/12 03:52 AM
No one is going to invade Iran. Their nuclear enrichment facilities and nuclear weapons related activities are just going to be dismantled. Possibly by the Iranians themselves, but if not, Iran's nuclear development programs will be dismantled by force. There is an international consensus that radical Islamic terrorist sponsoring theocracies like Iran must never obtain nuclear warfare capability. Hopefully, Iran will bow to international pressure, honor their NPT commitments and dismantle their nuclear weapons related programs verifiably on their own terms soon. I agree, the recent hysteria is media generated and will calm down. Any 'invasion' of Iran is a ridiculous hypothesis at this point in time and Iran seems to have learnt its current strategy from North Korea. That is, posture a little in order to gain concessions regarding the UN sanctions. Israel is understandably nervous at the moment, and I'm sure if Iran tests a nuclear device, she will respond with air strikes on the Iranian facilities. Having said that, I don't believe hostilities would escalate beyond that scenario. except a for an Iranian responce.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Tue 08/28/12 07:29 AM Edited by s1owhand on Tue 08/28/12 07:45 AM
No one is going to invade Iran. Their nuclear enrichment facilities and nuclear weapons related activities are just going to be dismantled. Possibly by the Iranians themselves, but if not, Iran's nuclear development programs will be dismantled by force. There is an international consensus that radical Islamic terrorist sponsoring theocracies like Iran must never obtain nuclear warfare capability. Hopefully, Iran will bow to international pressure, honor their NPT commitments and dismantle their nuclear weapons related programs verifiably on their own terms soon. I agree, the recent hysteria is media generated and will calm down. Any 'invasion' of Iran is a ridiculous hypothesis at this point in time and Iran seems to have learnt its current strategy from North Korea. That is, posture a little in order to gain concessions regarding the UN sanctions. Israel is understandably nervous at the moment, and I'm sure if Iran tests a nuclear device, she will respond with air strikes on the Iranian facilities. Having said that, I don't believe hostilities would escalate beyond that scenario. except a for an Iranian responce. In the face of widespread international condemnation any Iranian response is irrelevant and inconsequential. Further Iranian military responses will be futile and masochistic for Iran. Iran will have to dismantle themselves or have it done for them very soon and the sanctions and UN Sec Council actions make this crystal clear. The longer they stonewall the worse it will likely be for the Iranian regime and the Iranian people unfortunately. Iran's actions in thumbing their noses at the international community can produce no positive benefit.

JOHNN111 Joined Wed 05/13/09 Posts: 9273	Tue 08/28/12 08:03 AM Edited by JOHNN111 on Tue 08/28/12 08:04 AM
Do you seriously believe that it would be all 'hugs and humpies' if Israel gave up its defensive position? You mean if Israel unlocked it's tight grip on hijacked Jerusalem? If they halted all settlement expansion and returned to pre war borders and compensated them? If it shared resources and helped the Palestinians live a better life? If she untangles herself from American politics & lobbying and the media monopoly? No! It still takes goodwill, compassion and the ability to negotiate and discuss peacefully by both sides.. none of which can happen if they continue leaning on the US.... It's completely lopsided at this point! The WW3 scenario is just idle speculation and has about as much veracity as Nazis on the Moon. The WW3 scenario just around the corner mate... I won't even comment on your "Nazis on the moon" reference... your history of the ME is a little garbled. It is the Arabs that have rejected and broken the peace accords from the outset. Maybe but Not according to the MANY U.N. resolutions condemning Israel for her actions... Seems every time the leadership changes(alot) the rules change and the agreements are broken? The 'cement' smuggling story was just disinformation maybe but we know the Israelis are uncomfortable with Palestinian settlements and making their life difficult is Israels M.O... So yea It exists... in MANY different ways. Hatred for the nation of Israel gives the many Arab groups a form of unity. This is VERY true! and unfortunate The Islamists are very good at beating the war drum and reuniting their people towards war... With religion! It will be a travesty if Israel sees no other options for herself. Striking Iran will be the beginning of the end.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 08/28/12 08:05 AM
No one is going to invade Iran. Their nuclear enrichment facilities and nuclear weapons related activities are just going to be dismantled. Possibly by the Iranians themselves, but if not, Iran's nuclear development programs will be dismantled by force. There is an international consensus that radical Islamic terrorist sponsoring theocracies like Iran must never obtain nuclear warfare capability. Hopefully, Iran will bow to international pressure, honor their NPT commitments and dismantle their nuclear weapons related programs verifiably on their own terms soon. I agree, the recent hysteria is media generated and will calm down. Any 'invasion' of Iran is a ridiculous hypothesis at this point in time and Iran seems to have learnt its current strategy from North Korea. That is, posture a little in order to gain concessions regarding the UN sanctions. Israel is understandably nervous at the moment, and I'm sure if Iran tests a nuclear device, she will respond with air strikes on the Iranian facilities. Having said that, I don't believe hostilities would escalate beyond that scenario. except a for an Iranian responce. In the face of widespread international condemnation any Iranian response is irrelevant and inconsequential. Further Iranian military responses will be futile and masochistic for Iran. Iran will have to dismantle themselves or have it done for them very soon and the sanctions and UN Sec Council actions make this crystal clear. The longer they stonewall the worse it will likely be for the Iranian regime and the Iranian people unfortunately. Iran's actions in thumbing their noses at the international community can produce no positive benefit. Foolish to think Iran will have a futile responce. They held of American backed Iraqi forces for 8 years. Why do you think nothing has been done. Iran is prepared, and there is no international community. You just dont seem to understand the true nature of this stand off. No one, I mean no one has the right to dictate to a country their attempts at producing nuclear capabilities. Has nothing to do with threats towards Isreal. Iran simply stands in the way of our true objective, that is totally controling the most significant strategic landlock in the world. We must control this region at all cost, if we dont, the Chinese and Russia stand to . The saber rattling is between Russia, China, against the US, EU, and NATO, Iran is the target, Isreal is the satalite, what part if this simple military and political concept dont you understand?

JOHNN111 Joined Wed 05/13/09 Posts: 9273	Tue 08/28/12 08:19 AM
Foolish to think Iran will have a futile response. FOOLISH!

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Tue 08/28/12 10:22 AM
No one is going to invade Iran. Their nuclear enrichment facilities and nuclear weapons related activities are just going to be dismantled. Possibly by the Iranians themselves, but if not, Iran's nuclear development programs will be dismantled by force. There is an international consensus that radical Islamic terrorist sponsoring theocracies like Iran must never obtain nuclear warfare capability. Hopefully, Iran will bow to international pressure, honor their NPT commitments and dismantle their nuclear weapons related programs verifiably on their own terms soon. I agree, the recent hysteria is media generated and will calm down. Any 'invasion' of Iran is a ridiculous hypothesis at this point in time and Iran seems to have learnt its current strategy from North Korea. That is, posture a little in order to gain concessions regarding the UN sanctions. Israel is understandably nervous at the moment, and I'm sure if Iran tests a nuclear device, she will respond with air strikes on the Iranian facilities. Having said that, I don't believe hostilities would escalate beyond that scenario. except a for an Iranian responce. In the face of widespread international condemnation any Iranian response is irrelevant and inconsequential. Further Iranian military responses will be futile and masochistic for Iran. Iran will have to dismantle themselves or have it done for them very soon and the sanctions and UN Sec Council actions make this crystal clear. The longer they stonewall the worse it will likely be for the Iranian regime and the Iranian people unfortunately. Iran's actions in thumbing their noses at the international community can produce no positive benefit. Foolish to think Iran will have a futile responce. They held of American backed Iraqi forces for 8 years. Why do you think nothing has been done. Iran is prepared, and there is no international community. You just dont seem to understand the true nature of this stand off. No one, I mean no one has the right to dictate to a country their attempts at producing nuclear capabilities. Has nothing to do with threats towards Isreal. Iran simply stands in the way of our true objective, that is totally controling the most significant strategic landlock in the world. We must control this region at all cost, if we dont, the Chinese and Russia stand to . The saber rattling is between Russia, China, against the US, EU, and NATO, Iran is the target, Isreal is the satalite, what part if this simple military and political concept dont you understand? Iran cannot fight the world. It is totally up to them to defy the world and their NPT commitments and invite forcible de-nuclearization or to dismantle their illegal nuclear activities, renounce terrorism, stop the Holocaust denial, antisemitism, calling for deaths of Americans and Israelis, accept freedom of speech and religious tolerance and rejoin the ranks of civilized society. But if they persist in nuclear activities then they certainly know they will be disarmed by force. They have known this since the very beginning of their illegal activities and this is why they hid their development efforts and facilities in bunkers and lied to the IAEA. It is their deceit, threats of genocide, belief in divine mandate and bigotry which is driving all of it and they will have to change course dramatically if they wish to be accepted once again as a legitimate and honorable country... or they can stay an international terrorist supporting pariah state with smoking holes in the earth where their nuclear ambitions used to be. It is so sad really that the once enlightened, peaceful and well educated people of Persia have become one of the worlds worst state sponsors of terrorism but that is how it is...and they will never be allowed to develop nuclear arms.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 08/28/12 10:59 AM
*pardon my post all, my phone is a trip.

JOHNN111 Joined Wed 05/13/09 Posts: 9273	Tue 08/28/12 11:32 AM Edited by JOHNN111 on Tue 08/28/12 11:55 AM
Iran will not be fighting the world... No consensus at the UN or NATO... Not even the US! for a military strike against Iran. The facts are... Israel is the one that feels threatened and is willing to go it alone... knowing the US will intervene if Iran retaliates. This is very strange because even if the strikes are NOT successful, Iran will retaliate... and most likely withdraw ALL future co operation with the IAEA.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 08/28/12 11:35 AM
No one is going to invade Iran. Their nuclear enrichment facilities and nuclear weapons related activities are just going to be dismantled. Possibly by the Iranians themselves, but if not, Iran's nuclear development programs will be dismantled by force. There is an international consensus that radical Islamic terrorist sponsoring theocracies like Iran must never obtain nuclear warfare capability. Hopefully, Iran will bow to international pressure, honor their NPT commitments and dismantle their nuclear weapons related programs verifiably on their own terms soon. I agree, the recent hysteria is media generated and will calm down. Any 'invasion' of Iran is a ridiculous hypothesis at this point in time and Iran seems to have learnt its current strategy from North Korea. That is, posture a little in order to gain concessions regarding the UN sanctions. Israel is understandably nervous at the moment, and I'm sure if Iran tests a nuclear device, she will respond with air strikes on the Iranian facilities. Having said that, I don't believe hostilities would escalate beyond that scenario. except a for an Iranian responce. In the face of widespread international condemnation any Iranian response is irrelevant and inconsequential. Further Iranian military responses will be futile and masochistic for Iran. Iran will have to dismantle themselves or have it done for them very soon and the sanctions and UN Sec Council actions make this crystal clear. The longer they stonewall the worse it will likely be for the Iranian regime and the Iranian people unfortunately. Iran's actions in thumbing their noses at the international community can produce no positive benefit. Foolish to think Iran will have a futile responce. They held of American backed Iraqi forces for 8 years. Why do you think nothing has been done. Iran is prepared, and there is no international community. You just dont seem to understand the true nature of this stand off. No one, I mean no one has the right to dictate to a country their attempts at producing nuclear capabilities. Has nothing to do with threats towards Isreal. Iran simply stands in the way of our true objective, that is totally controling the most significant strategic landlock in the world. We must control this region at all cost, if we dont, the Chinese and Russia stand to . The saber rattling is between Russia, China, against the US, EU, and NATO, Iran is the target, Isreal is the satalite, what part if this simple military and political concept dont you understand? Iran cannot fight the world. It is totally up to them to defy the world and their NPT commitments and invite forcible de-nuclearization or to dismantle their illegal nuclear activities, renounce terrorism, stop the Holocaust denial, antisemitism, calling for deaths of Americans and Israelis, accept freedom of speech and religious tolerance and rejoin the ranks of civilized society. But if they persist in nuclear activities then they certainly know they will be disarmed by force. They have known this since the very beginning of their illegal activities and this is why they hid their development efforts and facilities in bunkers and lied to the IAEA. It is their deceit, threats of genocide, belief in divine mandate and bigotry which is driving all of it and they will have to change course dramatically if they wish to be accepted once again as a legitimate and honorable country... or they can stay an international terrorist supporting pariah state with smoking holes in the earth where their nuclear ambitions used to be. It is so sad really that the once enlightened, peaceful and well educated people of Persia have become one of the worlds worst state sponsors of terrorism but that is how it is...and they will never be allowed to develop nuclear arms. Iran is not against the world nor the world against Iran. The countries that are are the USA, ISREAL, THE EU AND THE NATO coalition who all stand to gain and have a unified vested interests in the region. Iran is in the way of endeavors planned for the region. Those countries who stand against Iran are countries who recieve financial aide from the US, to preserve that aide, impoverished countries will vote in the UN resolution commity in favor of what the US dictate, if they are to continue to recieve aide. As for the nuclear activities, again you seem unable to grasp the fact that they have just as much right to achieve nuclear capabilities as does anyone else. Most people are just unable to grasp that this has nothing to do with Islam, antisemetism nor they attempts to build weapons of mass destruction, Isreal have the most in the region. Its all about the wests desire and crucial need at controling the region strategicly. Iran is in our way. The other silly excuses such as stop the holocaust denial, if they want to deny it so what? They dont believe it, thats their prerogative. Who cares what they believe regarding a historical event. I dont believe Manhattan was sold for $24 dollars. As for antisemitism, did we not hate the "Japs" for bombing pearl harbor? Yes. So why should Iran be pro Isreal, Isreal was direstly involved in the violent overthrow of their leader. And why would anyone with logic expect them to be anything but when Isreal targets their scientists for of assasanations? As for they eccepting freedom of speech, religous tolerance, and join the civilized world, pure nonsence, as if we care for the Iranian people, they are Muslims remember? We hate Muslims yet we pretend to care for the Iranian people who just happen to be Muslims. If they have no freedom of speech, is not that thier business? And is not that their responcibilty. Revolution can not be imported. As for disarming them by force, please get a clue, that would not only be counter productive, but implicate a more far reaching effect that has the potential of starting a world war, but considering your prior post in which you say that there wont be a war bacause Iran will comply, wrong, Iran has invested heavily and will continue to defy, they have ervery right to. Historicly we are the ones threatening world peace. As a soldier who actually saw action, I refuse to allow any of my children to fight for Isreal. For America one should fight for, its our duty. But to fight for Isreal is wrong, they have an army and weapons of mass destruction, they are quite capable of fighting without us. And finaly, get your head out of the clouds, there is no honorable civilized nations.

JOHNN111 Joined Wed 05/13/09 Posts: 9273	Tue 08/28/12 11:42 AM
And finaly, get your head out of the clouds, there is no honorable civilized nations.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Tue 08/28/12 12:24 PM
No one is going to invade Iran. Their nuclear enrichment facilities and nuclear weapons related activities are just going to be dismantled. Possibly by the Iranians themselves, but if not, Iran's nuclear development programs will be dismantled by force. There is an international consensus that radical Islamic terrorist sponsoring theocracies like Iran must never obtain nuclear warfare capability. Hopefully, Iran will bow to international pressure, honor their NPT commitments and dismantle their nuclear weapons related programs verifiably on their own terms soon. I agree, the recent hysteria is media generated and will calm down. Any 'invasion' of Iran is a ridiculous hypothesis at this point in time and Iran seems to have learnt its current strategy from North Korea. That is, posture a little in order to gain concessions regarding the UN sanctions. Israel is understandably nervous at the moment, and I'm sure if Iran tests a nuclear device, she will respond with air strikes on the Iranian facilities. Having said that, I don't believe hostilities would escalate beyond that scenario. except a for an Iranian responce. In the face of widespread international condemnation any Iranian response is irrelevant and inconsequential. Further Iranian military responses will be futile and masochistic for Iran. Iran will have to dismantle themselves or have it done for them very soon and the sanctions and UN Sec Council actions make this crystal clear. The longer they stonewall the worse it will likely be for the Iranian regime and the Iranian people unfortunately. Iran's actions in thumbing their noses at the international community can produce no positive benefit. Foolish to think Iran will have a futile responce. They held of American backed Iraqi forces for 8 years. Why do you think nothing has been done. Iran is prepared, and there is no international community. You just dont seem to understand the true nature of this stand off. No one, I mean no one has the right to dictate to a country their attempts at producing nuclear capabilities. Has nothing to do with threats towards Isreal. Iran simply stands in the way of our true objective, that is totally controling the most significant strategic landlock in the world. We must control this region at all cost, if we dont, the Chinese and Russia stand to . The saber rattling is between Russia, China, against the US, EU, and NATO, Iran is the target, Isreal is the satalite, what part if this simple military and political concept dont you understand? Iran cannot fight the world. It is totally up to them to defy the world and their NPT commitments and invite forcible de-nuclearization or to dismantle their illegal nuclear activities, renounce terrorism, stop the Holocaust denial, antisemitism, calling for deaths of Americans and Israelis, accept freedom of speech and religious tolerance and rejoin the ranks of civilized society. But if they persist in nuclear activities then they certainly know they will be disarmed by force. They have known this since the very beginning of their illegal activities and this is why they hid their development efforts and facilities in bunkers and lied to the IAEA. It is their deceit, threats of genocide, belief in divine mandate and bigotry which is driving all of it and they will have to change course dramatically if they wish to be accepted once again as a legitimate and honorable country... or they can stay an international terrorist supporting pariah state with smoking holes in the earth where their nuclear ambitions used to be. It is so sad really that the once enlightened, peaceful and well educated people of Persia have become one of the worlds worst state sponsors of terrorism but that is how it is...and they will never be allowed to develop nuclear arms. And finally, get your head out of the clouds, there is no honorable civilized nations. Certainly not terrorist sponsors like Iran anyways...

TxsGal3333 Joined Tue 09/05/06 Posts: 76392	Tue 08/28/12 01:30 PM
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HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 08/28/12 01:44 PM Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/28/12 01:47 PM
Do you seriously believe that it would be all 'hugs and humpies' if Israel gave up its defensive position? You mean if Israel unlocked it's tight grip on hijacked Jerusalem? If they halted all settlement expansion and returned to pre war borders and compensated them? If it shared resources and helped the Palestinians live a better life? If she untangles herself from American politics & lobbying and the media monopoly? No, I meant if she gave up her defensive position in the ME. No! It still takes goodwill, compassion and the ability to negotiate and discuss peacefully by both sides.. none of which can happen if they continue leaning on the US.... It's completely lopsided at this point! I think you understimate the level of hatred directed at Israel by her neighbours. The WW3 scenario is just idle speculation and has about as much veracity as Nazis on the Moon. he WW3 scenario just around the corner mate... I won't even comment on your retarded "Nazis on the moon" reference.... Save your ad hominem, you obviously missed the popular culture reference. You believe that WW3 is around the corner and everyone who doesn't is 'mentally crippled'...I see. I'm nearly 50 and WW3 has been 'just around the corner' my whole life. THE END IS NIGH! your history of the ME is a little garbled. It is the Arabs that have rejected and broken the peace accords from the outset. Maybe but Not according to the MANY U.N. resolutions condemning Israel for her actions... Seems every time the leadership changes(alot) the rules change and the agreements are broken? No UN resolutions admonish Israel for breaking truces. The 'cement' smuggling story was just disinformation maybe but we know the Israelis are uncomfortable with Palestinian settlements and making their life difficult is Israels M.O... So yea It exists... in MANY different ways. Well, the proximity and strategic importance of the Gaza strip and the Golan Heights necessitate adopting a hardline position in those areas. Hatred for the nation of Israel gives the many Arab groups a form of unity. This is VERY true! and unfortunate The Islamists are very good at beating the war drum and reuniting their people towards war... With religion! My original point regarding Israel giving up its military supremacy and its defensive position. It will be a travesty if Israel sees no other options for herself. Striking Iran will be the beginning of the end. Travesty? Malapropism? I personally don't follow the current hysteria. As I stated earlier, Israel has only threatened to strike the nuclear installations if Iran continues its enrichment programme. Voices in the Knesset calling for war are just that-voices in the Knesset and not the assembly as a whole. Any Iranian response would be limited, for she knows that to respond with a declaration of war risks alienating her allies at best, and inviting a nuclear holocaust at worst.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 08/28/12 02:25 PM
No one is going to invade Iran. Their nuclear enrichment facilities and nuclear weapons related activities are just going to be dismantled. Possibly by the Iranians themselves, but if not, Iran's nuclear development programs will be dismantled by force. There is an international consensus that radical Islamic terrorist sponsoring theocracies like Iran must never obtain nuclear warfare capability. Hopefully, Iran will bow to international pressure, honor their NPT commitments and dismantle their nuclear weapons related programs verifiably on their own terms soon. I agree, the recent hysteria is media generated and will calm down. Any 'invasion' of Iran is a ridiculous hypothesis at this point in time and Iran seems to have learnt its current strategy from North Korea. That is, posture a little in order to gain concessions regarding the UN sanctions. Israel is understandably nervous at the moment, and I'm sure if Iran tests a nuclear device, she will respond with air strikes on the Iranian facilities. Having said that, I don't believe hostilities would escalate beyond that scenario. except a for an Iranian responce. In the face of widespread international condemnation any Iranian response is irrelevant and inconsequential. Further Iranian military responses will be futile and masochistic for Iran. Iran will have to dismantle themselves or have it done for them very soon and the sanctions and UN Sec Council actions make this crystal clear. The longer they stonewall the worse it will likely be for the Iranian regime and the Iranian people unfortunately. Iran's actions in thumbing their noses at the international community can produce no positive benefit. Foolish to think Iran will have a futile responce. They held of American backed Iraqi forces for 8 years. Why do you think nothing has been done. Iran is prepared, and there is no international community. You just dont seem to understand the true nature of this stand off. No one, I mean no one has the right to dictate to a country their attempts at producing nuclear capabilities. Has nothing to do with threats towards Isreal. Iran simply stands in the way of our true objective, that is totally controling the most significant strategic landlock in the world. We must control this region at all cost, if we dont, the Chinese and Russia stand to . The saber rattling is between Russia, China, against the US, EU, and NATO, Iran is the target, Isreal is the satalite, what part if this simple military and political concept dont you understand? Iran cannot fight the world. It is totally up to them to defy the world and their NPT commitments and invite forcible de-nuclearization or to dismantle their illegal nuclear activities, renounce terrorism, stop the Holocaust denial, antisemitism, calling for deaths of Americans and Israelis, accept freedom of speech and religious tolerance and rejoin the ranks of civilized society. But if they persist in nuclear activities then they certainly know they will be disarmed by force. They have known this since the very beginning of their illegal activities and this is why they hid their development efforts and facilities in bunkers and lied to the IAEA. It is their deceit, threats of genocide, belief in divine mandate and bigotry which is driving all of it and they will have to change course dramatically if they wish to be accepted once again as a legitimate and honorable country... or they can stay an international terrorist supporting pariah state with smoking holes in the earth where their nuclear ambitions used to be. It is so sad really that the once enlightened, peaceful and well educated people of Persia have become one of the worlds worst state sponsors of terrorism but that is how it is...and they will never be allowed to develop nuclear arms. And finally, get your head out of the clouds, there is no honorable civilized nations. Certainly not terrorist sponsors like Iran anyways... Interesting position, however it is historicly and factually inaccurate. Former Prime Minister Menachem Begin who ironiclly was awarded the Nobel peace prize was indeed one of the leaders of the terrorist organization Irgun. He openly confessed to his role in the King David Hotel bombings that killed many innocent people in his struggle for independence from Britain. Problem is east Jerusalem was under British Palestinian mandate. His words were "our struggle for our own homeland has no barriars, our actions are in tune with the great desire to establish a Jewish state". Was not he a terrorist? Would not bombing a building filled with people constitute a terrorist act? I think so. Menachem Begin, who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for peace, is the same man who planned the destruction of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. Was he not the head of the Jewish terrorist organization Irgun? Which committed many vicious atrocities in their quest to establish a Zionist state? Historiclly and factualy suggests the answer to be yes.

JOHNN111 Joined Wed 05/13/09 Posts: 9273	Tue 08/28/12 02:34 PM
The WW3 scenario just around the corner mate... I won't even comment on your retarded "Nazis on the moon" reference... Save your ad hominem, you obviously missed the popular culture reference. You believe that WW3 is around the corner and everyone who doesn't is 'mentally crippled'...I see. I'm nearly 50 and WW3 has been 'just around the corner' my whole life. THE END IS NIGH! Nothing "popular" about it... How about "your culture"? No reason to bring up "nazis" in this discussion... no room for it and to be honest, has nothing to do with anything in this thread... it's highly offensive to some... namely me! Is this how you rally YOUR cronies to war? The Nazis?

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 08/28/12 02:43 PM
Do you seriously believe that it would be all 'hugs and humpies' if Israel gave up its defensive position? You mean if Israel unlocked it's tight grip on hijacked Jerusalem? If they halted all settlement expansion and returned to pre war borders and compensated them? If it shared resources and helped the Palestinians live a better life? If she untangles herself from American politics & lobbying and the media monopoly? No, I meant if she gave up her defensive position in the ME. No! It still takes goodwill, compassion and the ability to negotiate and discuss peacefully by both sides.. none of which can happen if they continue leaning on the US.... It's completely lopsided at this point! I think you understimate the level of hatred directed at Israel by her neighbours. The WW3 scenario is just idle speculation and has about as much veracity as Nazis on the Moon. he WW3 scenario just around the corner mate... I won't even comment on your retarded "Nazis on the moon" reference... Save your ad hominem, you obviously missed the popular culture reference. You believe that WW3 is around the corner and everyone who doesn't is 'mentally crippled'...I see. I'm nearly 50 and WW3 has been 'just around the corner' my whole life. THE END IS NIGH! your history of the ME is a little garbled. It is the Arabs that have rejected and broken the peace accords from the outset. Maybe but Not according to the MANY U.N. resolutions condemning Israel for her actions... Seems every time the leadership changes(alot) the rules change and the agreements are broken? No UN resolutions admonish Israel for breaking truces. The 'cement' smuggling story was just disinformation maybe but we know the Israelis are uncomfortable with Palestinian settlements and making their life difficult is Israels M.O... So yea It exists... in MANY different ways. Well, the proximity and strategic importance of the Gaza strip and the Golan Heights necessitate adopting a hardline position in those areas. Hatred for the nation of Israel gives the many Arab groups a form of unity. This is VERY true! and unfortunate The Islamists are very good at beating the war drum and reuniting their people towards war... With religion! My original point regarding Israel giving up its military supremacy and its defensive position. It will be a travesty if Israel sees no other options for herself. Striking Iran will be the beginning of the end. Travesty? Malapropism? I personally don't follow the current hysteria. As I stated earlier, Israel has only threatened to strike the nuclear installations if Iran continues its enrichment programme. Voices in the Knesset calling for war are just that-voices in the Knesset and not the assembly as a whole. Any Iranian response would be limited, for she knows that to respond with a declaration of war risks alienating her allies at best, and inviting a nuclear holocaust at worst. Indeed Isreal has threatened to strike the nuclear installations if Iran continuse to its enrichment program. This is not only illegal by international law, but indeed would start the war. Only fools think Iran would not respond or are unable to. As a veteran that actually has been in combat, I find it interesting that Isreal would consider such a crime that would involve American intervening, thereby sending my friends, brothers and fellow Americans to fight and die for Isreal, who have more nuclear weapons then mosof the world combined. Isreal has army, if they wish to start a war by bombing a soveregn conuntries desire to do as they wish in their country, fine, but my blood nor that of my people need be shed for a phoney premise that in reality that the true agenda is to disarm Iran so as to remove them from a position of power and influance so as not to impede on Isreal and the US from establishing sole dominance to the worlds greatest strategic landlock. Isreal, fight your own fight. Leave my boys out of it, Isreal could care less about me or most Americans anyway.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 08/28/12 03:04 PM
The WW3 scenario just around the corner mate... I won't even comment on your retarded "Nazis on the moon" reference... Save your ad hominem, you obviously missed the popular culture reference. You believe that WW3 is around the corner and everyone who doesn't is 'mentally crippled'...I see. I'm nearly 50 and WW3 has been 'just around the corner' my whole life. THE END IS NIGH! Nothing "popular" about it... How about "your culture"? No reason to bring up "nazis" in this discussion... no room for it and to be honest, has nothing to do with anything in this thread... it's highly offensive to some... namely me! Is this how you rally YOUR cronies to war? The Nazis? Dude, it was reference to a movie out at the moment FFS! The movie is a comedy spoof called 'Iron Cross'. You completely missed my reference and point.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 08/28/12 03:08 PM
As for wwlll, 3 does follow 1 and 2, thereby more then possible. Striking a sovereign country without provecation is a declaration of war. Unlike the early 80s Libya, Iran has upgraded their military capabilities since the war with Iraq. Of which they held back the American backed Saddam Hussien and the Isreali support as well. Its shamefull that Isreal would strike knowing full well the implications. Iran would not risk a war with the war machine that we and Nato and Isreal are, however their stand is obviousely defensive. Because anyone with common sence know that Iran is not going to attack anyone unless they are provoked. Bombing their instalations is a declaration of war, if Isreal does carry out her threats, then Isreal will stand as the starter of a great war that can indeed escalate in to a great major war. Call it wwlll, or call it a hoedown, it will be big in that others will be involved. If Isreal is truly interested in war as a solution, they are morevthen capable of going it alone. If jews here or abroad feel strongly of having Isreal bomb Iranian instalations, thereby starting a war, then you go fight or send your boys to fight and die, for what? Because Isreal feels threatened. Iran is in no position to start a war, but if one thinks they have been sitting on their thumbs, ones mind must be on pause. They are indeed capable of defending, and will.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 08/28/12 03:13 PM
Indeed Isreal has threatened to strike the nuclear installations if Iran continuse to its enrichment program. This is not only illegal by international law, but indeed would start the war. A response by Iran doesn't necessarily mean that WW3 will start, does it? Surely your military experience tells you that at least? Only fools think Iran would not respond or are unable to. I never said that. The situation is more complicated than you appear to appreciate. As a veteran that actually has been in combat, I find it interesting that Isreal would consider such a crime that would involve American intervening, thereby sending my friends, brothers and fellow Americans to fight and die for Isreal, who have more nuclear weapons then mosof the world combined. You are speculating beyond the evidence at this point. Your combat record is immaterial and perhaps some form of appeal to authority. Isreal has army, if they wish to start a war by bombing a soveregn conuntries desire to do as they wish in their country, fine, but my blood nor that of my people need be shed for a phoney premise that in reality that the true agenda is to disarm Iran so as to remove them from a position of power and influance so as not to impede on Isreal and the US from establishing sole dominance to the worlds greatest strategic landlock. Isreal, fight your own fight. Leave my boys out of it, Isreal could care less about me or most Americans anyway. This sounds more like a rant than a coherent analysis of the situation.

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Tue 08/28/12 03:26 PM
Indeed Isreal has threatened to strike the nuclear installations if Iran continuse to its enrichment program. This is not only illegal by international law, but indeed would start the war. A response by Iran doesn't necessarily mean that WW3 will start, does it? Surely your military experience tells you that at least? Only fools think Iran would not respond or are unable to. I never said that. The situation is more complicated than you appear to appreciate. As a veteran that actually has been in combat, I find it interesting that Isreal would consider such a crime that would involve American intervening, thereby sending my friends, brothers and fellow Americans to fight and die for Isreal, who have more nuclear weapons then mosof the world combined. You are speculating beyond the evidence at this point. Your combat record is immaterial and perhaps some form of appeal to authority. Isreal has army, if they wish to start a war by bombing a soveregn conuntries desire to do as they wish in their country, fine, but my blood nor that of my people need be shed for a phoney premise that in reality that the true agenda is to disarm Iran so as to remove them from a position of power and influance so as not to impede on Isreal and the US from establishing sole dominance to the worlds greatest strategic landlock. Isreal, fight your own fight. Leave my boys out of it, Isreal could care less about me or most Americans anyway. This sounds more like a rant than a coherent analysis of the situation.