You left out that little part between 1941 and 1945.

I disagree with most of what you believe to be "legal"

That being said,

Lets debate what happens if Iran does nuclearize.... Let's say they build the bomb. Do they launch knowing that a single warhead launch means the total annihation of Iran? Do they use it as levage? WTF do you do with a nuclear warhead? You become like North Korea thats what... Isolated, destitute and powerless.

Remember Libya had a clandestine nuke program that was handed over voluntarily...

I did! and forgot to deduct the 500K deaths

Let's round it off at 9 mil since Nagasaki?

I commented upon such reports in another recent thread.

The reality of the situation is that each day that Iran stonewalls
the rest of the civilized world and continues spinning the
centrifuges and working towards a nuclear weapons capability brings
them one step closer to armed intervention.

It is completely within Iran's control to stop it an any time so
Iran is playing a game of high-stakes brinksmanship with nuclear
materials. It's crazy of course. But Iran is a fundamentalist Islamic
theocracy which is headed by an Imam and whose decisions are not
based on rationality but on ancient outdated concepts of Sharia law
and the divinity of converting the rest of the world to radical
fundamentalist Islam theology, killing those who would insist on
modernization, religious freedom and those who would oppose them such as
modern tolerant Western societies, Europe, Japan, China, India,
Australia, and especially Christians, Jews, the US and Israel.

This is not sophistry and child's play. This is not the US and Israel
beating the war drum. The war has been on for some years now and those
who truly love tolerance, freedom of religion, freedom of speech,
open modern society and all the advantages of modern education and
liberal thought are in this conflict whether we like it or not.

This is discussed in detail in the documentaries:

Obsession: Radical Islam's War against the West
http://youtu.be/gMLJJEDDDGc

The Third Jihad: Radical Islam's vision for America
http://youtu.be/j3BGwQr8xg4

and with regard to Iran's specific nuclear buildup in

Iranium
http://youtu.be/t4IDy-0CJbE


"The only thing necessary
for the triumph of evil..."

...is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke


I have nothing at all against Islam as a religion and I understand
that the radical Islamists who are at war with the West represent
only a tiny fraction of the Muslim world. Radical Islamists though
are modern crusaders and even as a tiny minority they are millions
of people armed to the teeth and willing to die to force their
brand of virulent and violent Islam - Taliban style - to the rest
of the world.

I do not wish for war with Iran. Israel does not wish for war with
Iran. The United States does not wish for war with Iran, Europed
does not desire war with Iran. We all want peace. We all want
religious freedom and freedom from terrorist attacks. We all want
Iran to dismantle their illegal and bunker fortified nuclear
enrichment apparatus and demonstrate that they are true to their
many statement really NOT looking to head towards nuclear arms.

But Iran will not demonstrate their peaceful intentions. Why is
that? All they have to do to lift serious sanctions and satisfy
the UN and the NPT obligations and all those who rightfully are
extremely concerned about their nuclear buildup, fortifications,
lying and calling for genocide...is to disarm nukes.

Iran refuses. They WANT conflict. Their Imam considers Iran already
at war. A war to the death between the radical Islamification of
the rest of the world and Iran and her radical Islamic allies much
to the discomfort and against the best interests of everyone else.

There are many valid reasons not to go to war with Iran.
War is never desirable.

But if you are being bullied by someone who wishes to impose their
hatred and religiously feverish intolerance and ignorance upon you
by force if necessary....And this bully Iran has demonstrated in
numerous acts supporting the worst kinds of war crimes - terrorism
that they have no problem forcing their rape upon innocent peoples
with violence....

No civilized persons can ever tolerate nuclear weapons programs
among such a regime inviting nuclear catastrophe. This is why
nuclear developments and NPT violations are at the top of the
agenda at the UN Security Council now with respect to Iran. This
is why the international community is continuously asking Iran to
stand down and disarm. This is why Israel whose destruction is
irrationally and antisemitically called for daily in Iran is
extremely concerned. This is why the US whose destruction is also
called for daily by Iran is concerned.

Everyone has very good reason to be concerned. And Iran could end it
all tomorrow, comply with the UN, answer the calls of the international
community to stop this madness and stop enriching nuclear materials
and stop working towards religious nuclear warfare.

Then there would be no need for war.

Otherwise.....they will have brought it upon themselves. The world
community will not stand for the threats of religious nuclear
genocide and they will be disarmed by force on a time table no one
really knows. It has been going on for years and one or more of the
countries or cultures threatened could decide they must take action
any day.

EVERYONE will be extremely grateful when Iranian nuclear capability
has been eliminated and for good reason. Hopefully the Iranians will
take care of it themselves as requested by the rest of the world and
according to their sworn agreements. But if they don't take care of
it soon then it will be no surprise that the rest of the world will
do it for them and relieve us all of this real and immediate threat
of religious nuclear weapons.

they already did!
Iran has just stonewalled the International Atomic Energy Commission again!

I suppose one of the top five reasons not to attack Iran are economic.

If Israel attacks them expect gas prices to go sky high and kill what is left of the world economy.

If our government really had our best interests at heart they would tell Israel flat out "If you attack Iran your on your own no aid at all"

The economic stakes are so high I would rather see this country support Iran in any such attack.


What does Israel contribute to Americas well being? Nothing at all is the answer.

There is no benefit in attacking a country like Iran, if they weren't on a path towards nuclear armament, they sure will be after an attack of such a large scale. Israel and the US will never recover from this.

Metal is pretty good with science so my question is

How many "dirty bombs" can you produce with let's say Ummmm 40Kg of 20% enriched Uranium? I'm asking because I have no clue if it even needs to be enriched to be deadly.

And I'll repeat the quote above.

What does Iran do with 1 single Nuclear Warhead or 100?

Same thing that al-Qaeda did with 4 planes except nuclear.

Phleaaaase Iran is NOT al-Qaeda


if Israel ever ventures into a military strike against Iran, it must ask itself this question first: how many Iranian missiles can the Zionist entity take 10,000? 20,000? 50,000? 100,000? 150,000 or more?”

No one said Iran was al-Qaeda but Iran is widely considered to be the
worst state sponsor of terrorism at this time so it can be expected
that they will continue to sponsor terrorism and no one wants that
with dirty bombs or god forbid atomic or thermonuclear weapons on
missiles.

No one can accept even one nuclear Iranian missile!

That is kind of the point of the UN Security Council sanctions
and international condemnation.

In many ways Iran is much much worse than al-Qaeda since they have
an entire country rich with oil money with which to fund their
disgusting terrorist attacks on innocent people.

It is reprehensible that anyone would support such a regime calling
for annihilation of the US and Israel and holy war against all
infidels (by which they mean all religiously tolerant liberal
societies). Good Grief!

I would prefer a nuclear armed Iran over ten dollar a gallon gas any day.

However as our own government has said Iran poses no nuclear threat and are not working on a bomb.

SO why all the fuss?

The real Issue is why do we support Israel when we cant even afford to take care of our own.

Yes ARM the radical Islamic terrorists with nuclear weapons.
What could it hurt?



http://youtu.be/FckLO8HcNyo

Wait a minute... In other threads, you claimed the UN a corrupt entity seeking to demonize Israel through resolutions and Russia was spearheading this effort since the sixties?

Pretty crazy, emotional and irrational stuff here slowhand...

So... we're beyond the dirty bomb stage... if that was gonna happen it would have no?

I'll just take North Korea as my example... They've been threatening the US for decades, developed nuclear capabilities... tested them... Test launched ICBMs... sunk SKorean war ships... launched a barrage of missiles at some island... Tries to ship weaponry to Burma... And not a single US strike?

The dynamics are different I know... They don't include Israel.

So... you send in the bunker blasters... Iran retaliates with 200 000 scuds
Now what? I'll tell you what... Israel on the brink of annihilation launches a nuclear attack on Iran? And they'll justify the nuclear holocaust as defensive in nature?

God help us all ... I hope Israel loves her children enough to stop this madness

The UN is completely discredited by the efforts of the block of Islamic
nations to repeatedly and unjustly single out Israel for condemnation.

That has nothing to do with Everybody wanting to keep the religious
nuts running Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

S Korea is also not a religious fanatic state which has threatened and
carried out numerous terrorist attacks against other countries (although
Everybody has also been working hard to disarm N Korea also).

Bottom line is there are thousands and thousands of reasons why Iran
should never be allowed nuclear weapons and these are the existing and
future terror victims and their families. And the whole world knows it.

I'm being threatened by someone on the internet.

So, you're unfamiliar with Pallywood and the propaganda machine then?

Except the anti-semites it would seem.

That is certainly one reason why people would defend Iran's lust for
nuclear weapons technology and the bomb.

Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html

SO who wants Iraq times 4 over nothing?

Only the deluded war warmongers and the Israeli government.

I won't go into an extended diatribe here on weapons design (but I could) but I will address the "dirty bomb" comment.

A dirty bomb is no different than any other bomb, i.e., the bigger the bomb, the more damage it will do. The purpose of an explosive is to kill and destroy people and property. Atomic bombs are very effective in this way.

Neutron bombs or "enhanced radiation" bombs are designed to kill humans with neutron radiation while leaving buildings and materials largely unharmed. They have largely been abandoned since original development for moral reasons and the fact that they allow the enemy to just repopulate and take over control of the unharmed weapons laying around.

Dirty bombs are economic and terror weapons. Forty pounds of enriched uranium, ground into a very fine powder and dispersed across strategic parts of New York City, would probably cause the entire city to be abandoned. As was seen on 9/11, a large scale terror attack can cause economic impact way out of proportion to the cost of the attack or area affected.

The use of plutonium (made in the nuclear power process as well as weapons development) would be even worse than uranium.

Plutonium and uranium are poisonous beyond imagination. The dust contaminates an area to the degree that it simply cannot be cleaned completely. In a third world country an increased risk of cancer of ten percent may not even be considered a big risk but in the US, it would be cause for evacuation by the government.

The risk of dirty bomb technology from Iran is not that of an Iranian ship flying an Iranian flag sailing into New York harbor shooting canisters of uranium as far as they could. That isn't the way they have spread their land mines across Afghanistan.

The risk is more to supply terror groups with the weapons who then, in a coordinated attack, like 9/11, release many small canisters scattered across the city over a short amount of time. This method would be far more effective than a single bomb.

As for having an atomic bomb, the second a country gets one, they are treated differently by other nations and allowed craziness not allowed by non-nuclear nations (refer North Korea).