Thanks Metal! Your post is both terrifying and comforting.

Terrifying because they wouldn't need the nukes
Comforting because this has NOT happened.... YET!


I'm in complete agreement with the nuclear armed countries being "allowed" some craziness. I'm sorry but Israel, North Korea, Russia, China and the USA are front row center IMO.

Does that level of craziness mean they will launch and wipe out a neighbor? I don't believe so. In fact, every level of North Korean craziness was confronted with small scale retaliation. Every recent attempt from NK to blackmail, threaten and extort the US in shipping free heavy oil and food has failed. Yea they got nukes alright, but can't do a thing with em.

What about the good ol Pakistani doctor who leaked all nuclear secrets to NK... It was Pakistans moral/worldly obligation to guard against this... It failed... and the US still forwards billions in aid?

What is cause for concern, is that the same methods of heavy handed tactics are being used today as opposed to trying something different.

I'd Remove the blind support for Israels questionable actions before it's too late... and let them figure out how to be a productive peaceful member of the international community.

Not concerned about radical Islamic terrorist supporting countries
such as Iran getting the bomb? So certain that they would never make
good on their multiple threats to kill Americans, Israelis and other
supporters of liberal western culture?



Of course not!

Instead, deny support for those like Israel who stand up to the
terrorist bullies and have instead a thriving pluralistic society
which encourages all religions to live together in peace!

What a great strategy.



Terrorists with nuclear weapons. We have a winner!

Way more concerned about the repercussions of a unilateral strike on a non-nuclear by a nuclear state.

Withdraw your unwavering support and watch peace unfold for the US.

Your paranoia is getting the best of you mate

Every Iranian knows... 1 launch... and it's lights out for them.

What every Iranian knows doesn't matter. It is what the ruling few plan to do and how many of their people they are willing to sacrifice that matters. During the Iran/Iraq war, Iran would send hundreds of thousands of barely armed soldiers into fields of machine gun fire, apparently just to use up Iraq's ammunition.

I read an article a while back that said Iran might be willing to sacrifice between one and two thirds of their population just to rid the Earth of Israel, knowing that if they did so they would be leaders of the Muslin world.

Israel could not withstand a single strike by a nuke. They would immediately be overwhelmed.

I think it is even worse than that.

The problem with nuclear arms and fundamentalist radical Islamic
state sponsors of terrorism is that the radical Islamic Iranian
government is not rational but is controlled by an irrational and
twisted sense of divine entitlement.

This is the mentality which leads to atrocities in the name of Allah.

double post

Given your wish became true, how long do you think the nation of Israel would last if all support was withdrawn?

I won't contradict your beliefs but the facts I have about the Iran/Iraq war is 1 million deaths in 8 years? both sides included. I doubt completely stories of the sending hundreds of thousands to be butchered in the fields to increase bullet consumption... I mean c'mon!

Mind if I classify this "willing to sacrifice" their population in the same trash bin? Done!


Slowhand? THAT! is completely false... Stop your fear mongering to promote your war mongering... gawd!

If you don't support Israel's war mongering, nor their pro-war propaganda, you are labelled an anti-semite.

Thanks for reminding me of the social cost of trying to be reasonable or of speak out against war mongering.

no, it's when your spreading lies on not seeing the big picture with Israel vrs the middle east when your described as an anti-semite... maybe if people saw the whole truth on the situation they would see that it is not ALL Israels fault...

Wait...did you just AGREE that criticizing Israel's war mongering gets you labelled as a racist? And you think that's okay?

No one likes war and no one hates warfare more than the Israelis.

Israel is the most anti-war country on the face of the earth.
However, they will defend themselves from their neighbors who
attack them repeatedly.

I support their efforts to defend themselves.
Israelis have a right to peaceful coexistence.

Everytime the attacks have stopped there have been long sustained
periods of peace and if the attack against Israel stopped today
there would be peace.

Simple as that.

Antisemitism is another issue although it is clear from many of
the arguments which are aimed at Israel because it is a Jewish
state and the global Jewish conspiracy Nazi propaganda which is
repeated here so often that some of it is clearly antisemitic in
motivation.

A better question is who made YOU the sole protector of Israel and their actions 60+ years later?

If the Israelis continue on their same path, not very long... I would imagine. So are you saying that it would be impossible for Israel to get along with it's neighbors forever??? Those who drew the borders did not know this? Centuries of war in that same region... same people fighting over and over... putting the entire world at risk now?

Better prep up North Dakota as the new Jewish haven then mate! and Soon! Unless they plan on killing everyone in a 1000 mile radius?

If the Israelis laid down their arms they would be annihilated immediately.

When the Arabs/Palestinians lay down their arms there is always
protracted peace until they attack Israel again.

no, you get labeled a racist by being a racist... i do not know of this "war mongering" that your talking about... i see a country that just wants to survive in peace, and the countries around them have to much hate for that... sorry that you don't understand that, but it is the truth as i see it...

very true... the anti Israelis cannot comprehend that...

Message for the Israelis: Fear will always be overcome

Govern yourselves accordingly!

So! You are ignorant of the facts of the Iran-Iraq war, are totally unaware of the "human wave" attacks, know nothing of the war tactics used, but have decided to place my comments in the "trash bin"? You think my statements are contradicted by the "facts you have"?

You don't have any facts. You are selling your BS. The fact that you know nothing of the "human wave" attacks proves beyond any shadow of doubt that you don't know anything about this topic at all.

Try reading some history instead of making up your own.

I agree with that much, and also that antisemitism plays a role in SOME criticism of Israel.

It has become very, very clear to me over the last ten years that it is fashionable to cry 'anti-semite' when people simply disagree with another's position or their agenda.

It's wrong. People shouldn't label others a racist unless their disagreement is actually racially motivated.




I don't believe this. I'm surprised that anyone believes this in 2012. A friend of mine in LA subscribed to a pro-Israeli newsletter that apparently saw considerable circulation. I was absolutely stunned by what I read in those newsletters. They were the worst form of pro-war propaganda. Apparently many pro-Israeli people even see Palestinians and other foreigners as sub-human.

You talk about 'lies' and 'big picture' and the 'whole truth' - can you see that reasonable people can have different positions based on their different values and different sets of info they have? And that this is sometimes related to racism (including pro-Israel racism), and sometimes it has nothing to do with racism? And that its therefore morally wrong to assume that racism plays a role, without specific evidence for it?




Do you actually think that you get labelled a racist only by being a racist? Have you not seen people label others anti-semite simply for disagreeing with them?