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Topic: I don't believe the official story of 9/11
mightymoe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 01:33 PM

While we're on the topic of poor logic, why don't they kill everyone who exposes their 'conspiracy'? After all, if they plotted 9/11 they can certainly erase the 'troofers', and it would have a positive effect on the available gene pool.



Many have been killed. But there are so many people who are now "exposing" their conspiracy, that would be a lot of people they would have to kill....

So they have people like you, and the others here, who defend the absurd official story as if their life and sanity depended on it. They are either paid or just brainwashed enough to spend their time posting their rolling heads and ridiculing truthers and doubters and even people who dare to question the official account of 9-11, in an attempt to discourage them.






i actually think it is good that people like you ask questions about they things the government says... but when people start adding very illogical logic to the equation, then i can't really believe anything from some truthers...not you in particular, because your just reading what other people say, and adding it what you think you know, and bam... the wild theories start to really flow...some things you say make sense, while others are just to far out there to even begin to try to believe... thats why i keep saying to read from both sides, and make a balanced point of view...

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Tue 08/21/12 02:43 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 08/21/12 02:46 PM
As I have said, I don't know what happened. But when the official story falls apart, curiosity gets the best of people and they try to imagine what may have really happened.

A lot of people come up with theories of their own because they want answers, and the official account does not have them.

So the only thing you can do is get hard core about the evidence. Demand the evidence. Demand the proof.

THE REAL PROOF THAT WOULD STAND UP TO SCRUTINY. IT DOES NOT EXIST.

The government does not have proof to back up their account. That is the bottom line. You can't give their theory any more credibility than anyone elses.


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Tue 08/21/12 03:46 PM
Edited by Chazster on Tue 08/21/12 03:49 PM




The truth movement includes many real engineers and scientists, you people seem to ignore that fact.
They ignore everything that is logical and goes against the government story and I seriously doubt they even believe it themselves and seem to be agenda driven

I will however offer up a brain teaser.

If say China had three buildings hit with hijacked planes that were suspected to be "Muslim" and they invaded two countries in the middle east our corporate media would have a field day tearing this story apart.

But since it was the US we have no serious discussion of it and it is "off limits" to the mainstream media. Anyone seeking some truth is forced to use their own resources since no "government grant" will be forthcoming to any serious researcher.


I think more like you ignore stuff. Like the fact it's not MANY at all lol. Please explain anything logical you think we ignore.
This jumps right out at me anyhow.

How did a hijacked plane penetrate the most heavily defended air space in the world and strike the Pentagon the nerve center of our trillion dollar defense industry?

For one what makes you think this is the most heavily guarded airspace? It's about 1-2 miles from Reagan National Airport. Planes fly there all the time. Have you ever been to DC?

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 05:34 PM





The truth movement includes many real engineers and scientists, you people seem to ignore that fact.
They ignore everything that is logical and goes against the government story and I seriously doubt they even believe it themselves and seem to be agenda driven

I will however offer up a brain teaser.

If say China had three buildings hit with hijacked planes that were suspected to be "Muslim" and they invaded two countries in the middle east our corporate media would have a field day tearing this story apart.

But since it was the US we have no serious discussion of it and it is "off limits" to the mainstream media. Anyone seeking some truth is forced to use their own resources since no "government grant" will be forthcoming to any serious researcher.


I think more like you ignore stuff. Like the fact it's not MANY at all lol. Please explain anything logical you think we ignore.
This jumps right out at me anyhow.

How did a hijacked plane penetrate the most heavily defended air space in the world and strike the Pentagon the nerve center of our trillion dollar defense industry?

For one what makes you think this is the most heavily guarded airspace? It's about 1-2 miles from Reagan National Airport. Planes fly there all the time. Have you ever been to DC?


Again, this mantra is often repeated and it is immediately questionable. Do fighter aircraft constantly patrol the skies? Are there anti-aircraft batteries dotted every couple of blocks? Searchlights to help AA batteries counter night raids? Ground to air missile batteries strewn throughout the city?

No? The most heavily defended airspace huh?

andrewzooms's photo
Tue 08/21/12 05:52 PM
A plane that was hijacked and turned around near the West Virginia and Ohio border and for 40 minutes had no radio contact.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 06:03 PM

A plane that was hijacked and turned around near the West Virginia and Ohio border and for 40 minutes had no radio contact.


So, how do you interpret this?

andrewzooms's photo
Tue 08/21/12 06:08 PM
I interpret it as another piece to the puzzle of why 911 truth has grown over the years. Not to mention the plane disappeared from radar. Even when the hijackers turned off the transponders on the other three planes those planes are still visible on radar.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 06:12 PM

I interpret it as another piece to the puzzle of why 911 truth has grown over the years. Not to mention the plane disappeared from radar. Even when the hijackers turned off the transponders on the other three planes those planes are still visible on radar.


So, even if this is true, applying logic, how does it become evidence of a conspiracy? Have any other factors been considered before this conclusion was reached?

andrewzooms's photo
Tue 08/21/12 06:18 PM
When you add everything up. No debris at Pentagon. Impossible to fly 757 into pentagon. Flight 77 no commotion or transmitting when plane being hijacked. Hani Hanjour had difficulty flying Cessna plane. Ted Olson changing his story about Barbara Olson and the calls he received. Plane not being intercepted.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 06:51 PM

When you add everything up. No debris at Pentagon. Impossible to fly 757 into pentagon. Flight 77 no commotion or transmitting when plane being hijacked. Hani Hanjour had difficulty flying Cessna plane. Ted Olson changing his story about Barbara Olson and the calls he received. Plane not being intercepted.


Whether the above are true or not, how do these points denote a conspiracy? I mean this is not evidence of a conspiracy directly is it? They're just random occurrences connected to the same incident. It would require far more evidence to suggest a conspiracy took place.

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Tue 08/21/12 06:56 PM
This is extremely interesting.

Some very strange data on flight numbers, departures etc.

http://serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm

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Tue 08/21/12 06:58 PM


When you add everything up. No debris at Pentagon. Impossible to fly 757 into pentagon. Flight 77 no commotion or transmitting when plane being hijacked. Hani Hanjour had difficulty flying Cessna plane. Ted Olson changing his story about Barbara Olson and the calls he received. Plane not being intercepted.


Whether the above are true or not, how do these points denote a conspiracy? I mean this is not evidence of a conspiracy directly is it? They're just random occurrences connected to the same incident. It would require far more evidence to suggest a conspiracy took place.



Of course a conspiracy took place. geeeeze.

Do you know what "conspiracy" means? Two or more people planning a crime is a conspiracy.


andrewzooms's photo
Tue 08/21/12 06:59 PM
The direction of conspiracy is in New York with the Mossad agents filming The 1st plane before it even hit. The trucks with explosves in New York with Mossad agents. I made an accusation that is fact with police reports. Why where no charges filed?

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 07:02 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/21/12 07:06 PM



When you add everything up. No debris at Pentagon. Impossible to fly 757 into pentagon. Flight 77 no commotion or transmitting when plane being hijacked. Hani Hanjour had difficulty flying Cessna plane. Ted Olson changing his story about Barbara Olson and the calls he received. Plane not being intercepted.


Whether the above are true or not, how do these points denote a conspiracy? I mean this is not evidence of a conspiracy directly is it? They're just random occurrences connected to the same incident. It would require far more evidence to suggest a conspiracy took place.



Of course a conspiracy took place. geeeeze.

Do you know what "conspiracy" means? Two or more people planning a crime is a conspiracy.




Of course, your definition is a given, but the points posited do not denote a conspiracy. To label it thus is merely a leap of logic. Even your claim that two or more people planned a crime is a leap of logic and based solely on faith, not evidence.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 08/21/12 07:04 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/21/12 07:06 PM

The direction of conspiracy is in New York with the Mossad agents filming The 1st plane before it even hit. The trucks with explosves in New York with Mossad agents. I made an accusation that is fact with police reports. Why where no charges filed?



No charges were filed probably because it was not the case, or there was a lack of evidence. Did you consider that as a possibility?

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Tue 08/21/12 08:24 PM


The direction of conspiracy is in New York with the Mossad agents filming The 1st plane before it even hit. The trucks with explosves in New York with Mossad agents. I made an accusation that is fact with police reports. Why where no charges filed?



No charges were filed probably because it was not the case, or there was a lack of evidence. Did you consider that as a possibility?


laugh laugh laugh

Now look who is talking about lack of evidence.

laugh

Chazster's photo
Wed 08/22/12 09:00 AM
Edited by Chazster on Wed 08/22/12 09:00 AM
Oh and if people want to complain about the fires they should take it up with Professor Dormant Williams. Who is he? He is a current professor at the University of California, San Diego. Has a PhD from the California institute of technology, he taught at Harvard, was the chair of the department of mechanical and aerospace engineering at Princeton. But you may ask, how would he know about fires? Well his specialization is combustion. He is the author of Combustion theory ( Addison Wesley second edition) and Co author of fundamental aspects of combustion (Oxford 1993). He is deputy editor of Combustion and Flame and a member of the editorial advisory boards of Combustion Science and Technolog, Progress in Energy and Combustion Science, and Archivium Combustionis. Bit I am sure you guys know more than him right?

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Wed 08/22/12 09:46 AM
Please let me remind all once again to keep your post to a debate and do not direct it towards other members or post just pictures. If you want to post please make sure it is in debate form and it has to do with the Topic..

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metalwing's photo
Wed 08/22/12 11:26 AM
Edited by metalwing on Wed 08/22/12 11:38 AM

Please let me remind all once again to keep your post to a debate and do not direct it towards other members or post just pictures. If you want to post please make sure it is in debate form and it has to do with the Topic..

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Kristi, political satire techniques are some of the most effective debate tools. They often come in comic comparisons and graphic highlighting of points difficult to make in text.

It's also fun!:wink:


msharmony's photo
Wed 08/22/12 11:36 AM

Lets try them one at a time boys and try to stay on topic.

Number one.

Why did the news agencies report that WTC 7 collapsed almost 1/2 hour before it did, even though it was not hit by a plane, only had a few floors on fire, and gave no indication that it was in any serious danger?


I have no evidence that they did. IS there ANY supporting evidence or just a loaded question like 'when did you stop hitting your wife?'



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