Topic: I don't believe the official story of 9/11
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Thu 08/23/12 10:08 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/23/12 10:13 AM


Chaster, just because there are some theories out there that sound "crazy" to you does not mean that you should automatically default and believe and defend the crappy conspiracy theory/lie that is the official account of 9-11.

Don't let that scientific gobbledegook put blinders on your eyes when it comes to the rest of the truth. Don't ignore the real evidence. Demand THE REAL EVIDENCE and don't ignore the questions that the government IGNORES.

As I have said many many times. You don't need to be a scientist to know that the official story is a lie. There are massive holes in that story. MASSIVE.

Take the blinders off and be more objective. Forget about all of the "crazy" other "theories" you don't believe and look only at all of the real evidence. You can believe that the twin towers just fell as a result of a plane hitting them if you want, but the rest of the story about hi jackers, and what planes actually hit the towers have no evidence to back them up.






And conspiracy theories have even less evidence to back them up. I have yet to see any real evidence.


Even the official account of the events is a "conspiracy theory" because they can't back up their claims. Using the buzz word "conspiracy theory" is what they love you to do. But theirs is also a "conspiracy theory." And not a very good one. In fact I regard it as a lie and a cover-up. It does not even rate as a genuine conspiracy theory.

You have yet to see any real evidence of the official story either.

I am suggesting you forget about OTHER theories. I am not promoting any of them. My main point is the current crappy theory or lie that is the official story.

You are letting yourself be distracted by all the other theories. WHY?

Why can't you focus on the evidence itself? Why do you get distracted by all the other theories, including really crazy ones and allow them to distract you?

If you really care about the truth: Then Focus on the entire official government account and look for, ask for. or demand the real evidence, and not just the opinions of a few "scientists" who are only focused on their computer generated simulation of how those buildings could possibly have collapsed without the help of explosives. You seem to be entirely hypnotized by that and on the distraction of hundreds of other conspiracy theories and you are just frustrated.

I don't want to debate about dozens of other theories. That is pointless and irrelevant. My aim is to focus on exposing the lies and the coverup. In doing that, we may eventually discover the truth about what really happened.

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Thu 08/23/12 10:21 AM

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Thu 08/23/12 10:23 AM





Haaaaaaaa Aint that a fact.

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Thu 08/23/12 10:41 AM
Lol all the conspiracy theories started from saying "xyz " couldn't happen. Then scientists prove it could
. It's nother a few scientists. Do you realize the peer review that goes on in the scientific community? It's not just local to the US either. There is a reason the scientific community of the world hasn't had an uproar about this issue. But fine, continue to call others blind. Obviously only people with no scientific background can see the truth as our government has a time machine and went back in time and invented science as part of their cover-up.

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Thu 08/23/12 10:42 AM




Can't, that horse is Obviously still alive. XP

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Thu 08/23/12 11:39 AM
Okay, for a second I thought you were a person who could actually think for yourself and listen to reason. You are obviously still inclined to defend your masters, the lying government and their talking heads. You are still caught up with those "other theories" and you are still trapped in the gobbledeegook scientific explanation that was completely fabricated via computer simulated programs until they found (by fabricating facts) a way that those towers might fall from an airplane striking them.

If you believe that, and if that is what you are basing your blind faith in the official story on, and you have no intention of looking at the real evidence surrounding the rest of that hoaky story, then there is no hope for you.

Have it your way. I'm done. You are beyond help.


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Thu 08/23/12 11:47 AM
Nope. As I already stated I don't trust our government. Who said anything about simulations? I am talking physics. I am talking about talks with my civil engineering professors. You are in fact so blinded by your mistrust you think no one but you can be right.

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Thu 08/23/12 11:53 AM
Edited by Ras427 on Thu 08/23/12 11:54 AM
No matter which way one decides to look at it, weither one believes the official findings or believe other wise, that there is more to it or not, one thing is certain since the dawn of mankind, conspiracy is mans greatest pastime. That which lurkes in the heart of men make the devil run and hide, as man has clearly demononstrated his own devilishness. Lies and conspiracys? Thats what we do baby!

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Thu 08/23/12 12:22 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Thu 08/23/12 12:22 PM




Conspiracy Theory is the new boogieman. To undermine dialogue and attempt to stifle or ridicule the desire to question and quiet dessent, " conspiracy theory" is now a tag used to labal truthers as unpatriotic and paranoid irrational crackpots.


hmmm, unpatriotic and paranoid irrational crackpots?...
well you said it, I didn't!

laugh laugh laugh

At least everyone agrees on the basic facts that the planes were
hijacked by al-Qaeda and flown full of passengers and fuel into
the World Trade Center towers in a successful terrorist attack
killing thousands of innocent people in the name of Allah and
radical Islamic bigotry.

The rest is just piddling details but no one in their right mind
would question those basic evidence facts concerning the attacks.
Not I, I never believe the goverment, ever!! Anyone in their right mind should always question goverment, and when they answer you, check it, then check it again, goverments have a natural inclination to lie to its people.


laugh

The evidence is overwhelming. It has nothing to do with what any
government says. Planes full of passengers, video of the
hijackers, money and document trail to al-Qaida, confessions and
bragging by the hijackers, destroyed WTC towers, thousands
killed...such facts don't lie.

laugh

No amount of nonsensical side arguments negates any of the
evidence. No amount of governmental lying covers any of that up!!

No unsupported Conspiracy Theories will make it go away.

laugh





Don't let that scientific gobbledegook put blinders on your eyes...



Yeah! Don't let any of that scientific analysis and engineering
investigation fool you!

IT WUZ AYLEEANZ!!

rofl


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Thu 08/23/12 12:30 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/23/12 12:32 PM

Nope. As I already stated I don't trust our government. Who said anything about simulations? I am talking physics. I am talking about talks with my civil engineering professors. You are in fact so blinded by your mistrust you think no one but you can be right.


Your so-called 'scientists' came to their conclusions via simulated computer simulations. They ignored the real evidence, especially concerning building 7.

I have been all over this many times and it just goes over all of your heads. I don't give a rats butt about your holy "civil engineering professors." They ignored the real evidence too. Stop your worship of your freaking professors and demand and look at the real evidence and the real facts.

wake up and smell the dirty rotten liars for what they are.




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Thu 08/23/12 12:41 PM
Not just simulations. There are failure analysis equations as well as yield strength. In fact a resident structural engineer on this site has talked about these at length. You just ignore them. Well the scientific community doesn't agree with you. You have no evidence. You say look at the evidence but you present none. Everything CTs say can't be explained actually can and they just ignore it.

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Thu 08/23/12 01:04 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/23/12 01:07 PM

Not just simulations. There are failure analysis equations as well as yield strength. In fact a resident structural engineer on this site has talked about these at length. You just ignore them. Well the scientific community doesn't agree with you. You have no evidence. You say look at the evidence but you present none. Everything CTs say can't be explained actually can and they just ignore it.


I ignore them because they are bunk. They mean nothing in the whole scheme of things.

Even if there is some truth to those "facts" there is no proof that the planes that hit the two towers were the ones they claim they were. You cannot identify them in any of the videos. The flights did not exist on that day according to records.

You are the one WHO is hypnotized by your scientists reports which mean NOTHING AND PROVE NOTHING.

Also the videos you guys are always touting that are "live" show a bright light (a missile) going off before the plane makes contact with the building.

The kind of plane in the video is unknown. It cannot be identified.

No evidence that the official account is true.... at all.

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Thu 08/23/12 01:16 PM


Not just simulations. There are failure analysis equations as well as yield strength. In fact a resident structural engineer on this site has talked about these at length. You just ignore them. Well the scientific community doesn't agree with you. You have no evidence. You say look at the evidence but you present none. Everything CTs say can't be explained actually can and they just ignore it.


I ignore them because they are bunk. They mean nothing in the whole scheme of things.

Even if there is some truth to those "facts" there is no proof that the planes that hit the two towers were the ones they claim they were. You cannot identify them in any of the videos. The flights did not exist on that day according to records.

You are the one WHO is hypnotized by your scientists reports which mean NOTHING AND PROVE NOTHING.

Also the videos you guys are always touting that are "live" show a bright light (a missile) going off before the plane makes contact with the building.

The kind of plane in the video is unknown. It cannot be identified.

No evidence that the official account is true.... at all.


So what you are saying is you can't disprove any of it right? You can't prove any of your points at all. Why does your side not bothered by a burden of proof? You expect simple cameras to catch the tail numbers of these flights while they are crashing? To be at the correct angles as well as to be able to focus on something that small going that fast at that distance. Yea OK. Let's just agree, you will keep thinking I am blinded and I will keep thinking you are insane.

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Thu 08/23/12 01:19 PM


Not just simulations. There are failure analysis equations as well as yield strength. In fact a resident structural engineer on this site has talked about these at length. You just ignore them. Well the scientific community doesn't agree with you. You have no evidence. You say look at the evidence but you present none. Everything CTs say can't be explained actually can and they just ignore it.


I ignore them because they are bunk. They mean nothing in the whole scheme of things.

Even if there is some truth to those "facts" there is no proof that the planes that hit the two towers were the ones they claim they were. You cannot identify them in any of the videos. The flights did not exist on that day according to records.

You are the one WHO is hypnotized by your scientists reports which mean NOTHING AND PROVE NOTHING.

Also the videos you guys are always touting that are "live" show a bright light (a missile) going off before the plane makes contact with the building.

The kind of plane in the video is unknown. It cannot be identified.

No evidence that the official account is true.... at all.


science prove a lot of this, but you refuse to see... all you want as proof is doctored videos on you tube, and your CT sites... neither of which proves anything, except to you and your fellow CT'ers

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Thu 08/23/12 01:43 PM



Not just simulations. There are failure analysis equations as well as yield strength. In fact a resident structural engineer on this site has talked about these at length. You just ignore them. Well the scientific community doesn't agree with you. You have no evidence. You say look at the evidence but you present none. Everything CTs say can't be explained actually can and they just ignore it.


I ignore them because they are bunk. They mean nothing in the whole scheme of things.

Even if there is some truth to those "facts" there is no proof that the planes that hit the two towers were the ones they claim they were. You cannot identify them in any of the videos. The flights did not exist on that day according to records.

You are the one WHO is hypnotized by your scientists reports which mean NOTHING AND PROVE NOTHING.

Also the videos you guys are always touting that are "live" show a bright light (a missile) going off before the plane makes contact with the building.

The kind of plane in the video is unknown. It cannot be identified.

No evidence that the official account is true.... at all.


science prove a lot of this, but you refuse to see... all you want as proof is doctored videos on you tube, and your CT sites... neither of which proves anything, except to you and your fellow CT'ers


Science did not prove any of it. They used computer SIMULATIONS and most probably input fabricated data in order to come up with the results their masters wanted them to come up with.

Even if that is NOT THE CASE...
it does not prove what planes (or drones) actually crashed into the towers.

and it does NOT PROVE who flew them, or who was actually on those planes.

Hence your hypnotic fixation on your "science" MEANS NOTHING and proves nothing.


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Thu 08/23/12 01:49 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/23/12 01:51 PM
and YES I "refuse" to consider your "science" because it changes NOTHING AT ALL.

Even IF the towers completely collapsed at near free fall speed (which they would not have done if that had been a pancake collapse) but even if they could have fallen as a result of a plane crashing into them, it does not validate the official 9-11 story about hijackers or who was responsible. It does not prove that flights 11 or 77 were the planes that actually crashed into the towers.

So your science is a moot point anyway.

so... YES I refuse to consider it because it is irrelevant to my claim that the official story is a lie and a cover-up.

Now if you can get past your hypnotic fixation with your scientific findings, and look at the rest of the story and crappy evidence I am sure you will agree that it is a lie and a cover up.




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Thu 08/23/12 01:54 PM
It is rather odd that the black boxes if they were ever found, were never used as evidence or exposed to media scrutiny.

I suspect and this is my personal opinion is that the information on them did not match up with the "official story line".

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Thu 08/23/12 02:14 PM




Not just simulations. There are failure analysis equations as well as yield strength. In fact a resident structural engineer on this site has talked about these at length. You just ignore them. Well the scientific community doesn't agree with you. You have no evidence. You say look at the evidence but you present none. Everything CTs say can't be explained actually can and they just ignore it.


I ignore them because they are bunk. They mean nothing in the whole scheme of things.

Even if there is some truth to those "facts" there is no proof that the planes that hit the two towers were the ones they claim they were. You cannot identify them in any of the videos. The flights did not exist on that day according to records.

You are the one WHO is hypnotized by your scientists reports which mean NOTHING AND PROVE NOTHING.

Also the videos you guys are always touting that are "live" show a bright light (a missile) going off before the plane makes contact with the building.

The kind of plane in the video is unknown. It cannot be identified.

No evidence that the official account is true.... at all.


science prove a lot of this, but you refuse to see... all you want as proof is doctored videos on you tube, and your CT sites... neither of which proves anything, except to you and your fellow CT'ers


Science did not prove any of it. They used computer SIMULATIONS and most probably input fabricated data in order to come up with the results their masters wanted them to come up with.

Even if that is NOT THE CASE...
it does not prove what planes (or drones) actually crashed into the towers.

and it does NOT PROVE who flew them, or who was actually on those planes.

Hence your hypnotic fixation on your "science" MEANS NOTHING and proves nothing.




whatever... i already knew that that you cannot comprehend any science, thats why you always argue against it... but believing someone you don't know on some weird site that just makes stuff up is more your speed anyway...

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Thu 08/23/12 02:15 PM

It is rather odd that the black boxes if they were ever found, were never used as evidence or exposed to media scrutiny.

I suspect and this is my personal opinion is that the information on them did not match up with the "official story line".

your right it is odd... and obama still being president is even odder... but still really means nothing, just more speculation...

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Thu 08/23/12 02:19 PM




Not just simulations. There are failure analysis equations as well as yield strength. In fact a resident structural engineer on this site has talked about these at length. You just ignore them. Well the scientific community doesn't agree with you. You have no evidence. You say look at the evidence but you present none. Everything CTs say can't be explained actually can and they just ignore it.


I ignore them because they are bunk. They mean nothing in the whole scheme of things.

Even if there is some truth to those "facts" there is no proof that the planes that hit the two towers were the ones they claim they were. You cannot identify them in any of the videos. The flights did not exist on that day according to records.

You are the one WHO is hypnotized by your scientists reports which mean NOTHING AND PROVE NOTHING.

Also the videos you guys are always touting that are "live" show a bright light (a missile) going off before the plane makes contact with the building.

The kind of plane in the video is unknown. It cannot be identified.

No evidence that the official account is true.... at all.


science prove a lot of this, but you refuse to see... all you want as proof is doctored videos on you tube, and your CT sites... neither of which proves anything, except to you and your fellow CT'ers


Science did not prove any of it. They used computer SIMULATIONS and most probably input fabricated data in order to come up with the results their masters wanted them to come up with.

Even if that is NOT THE CASE...
it does not prove what planes (or drones) actually crashed into the towers.

and it does NOT PROVE who flew them, or who was actually on those planes.

Hence your hypnotic fixation on your "science" MEANS NOTHING and proves nothing.



For one it's CTs that use the pancake collapse terminology. A progressive collapse is what is explained happened to the towers. Second, simulators are just physical representations of equations that can be worked out by hand. There is nothing mysterious or magical about them. You have no proof those were not the planes but the size of a planew and it's capacity for file storage could be calculated based on the damage.

For bestinshow I wouldn't expect blackboxes to be functional after those types of crashes.