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Topic: I don't believe the official story of 9/11
mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 08/28/12 08:57 PM
Sadly, The American public has bee asllep for many years. Too many people are comfortable with the system the govenment has designed for them. Anyone with half brain would know that the chances of (18) men coming into this country, using our money,support,and our airplanes to do what happened unabated is ludicris to say the least. Your post is true and accurate. I don't think the truth would ever come out until enough time passes that the conspirators have passed on , anf the few with knowledge talk. Even then, they would have to convince the public. Have a nice day Your so right...I will say it again. If the Government came out long enough and hard enough using all its propaganda tools, including its internet shrills and claimed Santa Clause existed, a large part of the population would believe it. and there are those that jump on every little coincidence and then start making up fantasies in order to make up for a lack of knowledge of how things can happen. Dude............ the 911 commission rejects its own report...... The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php blah blah blah...anything to sell a book, huh...sounds like he said everything you wanted to here...i wonder why?

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 08/28/12 09:00 PM
Sadly, The American public has bee asllep for many years. Too many people are comfortable with the system the govenment has designed for them. Anyone with half brain would know that the chances of (18) men coming into this country, using our money,support,and our airplanes to do what happened unabated is ludicris to say the least. Your post is true and accurate. I don't think the truth would ever come out until enough time passes that the conspirators have passed on , anf the few with knowledge talk. Even then, they would have to convince the public. Have a nice day Your so right...I will say it again. If the Government came out long enough and hard enough using all its propaganda tools, including its internet shrills and claimed Santa Clause existed, a large part of the population would believe it. and there are those that jump on every little coincidence and then start making up fantasies in order to make up for a lack of knowledge of how things can happen. Dude............ the 911 commission rejects its own report...... The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php blah blah blah...anything to sell a book, huh...sounds like he said everything you wanted to here...i wonder why? You, of course, noticed that what Farmer cites as untrue is not actually qualified or quantified in this review. It reads like a copy of the dustjacket. I'll wager it is not a refutation of the 9/11 commission when one actually reads the entire text.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 08/28/12 09:03 PM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies...

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 08/28/12 09:07 PM Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/28/12 09:21 PM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies... Well, that entire post was just sophistry. 'Facts' aren't as subjective as stated. People can confuse opinion with fact and that often occurs, however, that does not prove that facts are opinion based on perspective. I suppose one has to define what is a fact before taking this potentially circular argument any further.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 08/28/12 09:39 PM Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Tue 08/28/12 09:42 PM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies... You want a fantasy? I was on a thread last night where someone believed the plane that struck WTC2 was a hologram projected from another aircraft. He based this on the fact that the civil and military radar signatures were out by a few degrees. Using this, he then went on to say that it was two separate aircraft and one was a hologram projected from the other. 1. A hologram cannot be projected into the sky. 2. The 'other' plane was actually a bird in the picture (singular) 3. No-one saw a second plane 4. The error for margin in radar signatures is well documented. 5. Holograms wouldn't leave a radar signature. The fact that only one photo showed another plane (obviously a bird) was evidence that it was a Stealth craft. Stealth craft do not show up on radar, but he was undeterred and we were shills for the gubbmint, or deluded, or insane. What do you do?

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Wed 08/29/12 01:53 AM
Sadly, The American public has bee asllep for many years. Too many people are comfortable with the system the govenment has designed for them. Anyone with half brain would know that the chances of (18) men coming into this country, using our money,support,and our airplanes to do what happened unabated is ludicris to say the least. Your post is true and accurate. I don't think the truth would ever come out until enough time passes that the conspirators have passed on , anf the few with knowledge talk. Even then, they would have to convince the public. Have a nice day Your so right...I will say it again. If the Government came out long enough and hard enough using all its propaganda tools, including its internet shrills and claimed Santa Clause existed, a large part of the population would believe it. and there are those that jump on every little coincidence and then start making up fantasies in order to make up for a lack of knowledge of how things can happen. Dude............ the 911 commission rejects its own report...... The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php blah blah blah...anything to sell a book, huh...sounds like he said everything you wanted to here...i wonder why? Denial

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Wed 08/29/12 01:58 AM
They are all out to GET you!!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 08/29/12 10:10 AM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies... Thinking that there is such a thing as coincidences is ignorance of true reality. Cause and effect. Everything is connected.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 08/29/12 10:28 AM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies... Thinking that there is such a thing as coincidences is ignorance of true reality. Cause and effect. Everything is connected. they are out to get you...in the mind of a paranoid CTer, all of that would make perfect sense...but most of us live in the real world, where coincidence happens and there is no need to fill in the blanks...

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Wed 08/29/12 12:42 PM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies... Thinking that there is such a thing as coincidences is ignorance of true reality. Cause and effect. Everything is connected. they are out to get you...in the mind of a paranoid CTer, all of that would make perfect sense...but most of us live in the real world, where coincidence happens and there is no need to fill in the blanks... What more does it take to wake you up? the 911 commission itself disowns its own report. Your being absurd.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 08/29/12 07:57 PM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies... Thinking that there is such a thing as coincidences is ignorance of true reality. Cause and effect. Everything is connected. they are out to get you...in the mind of a paranoid CTer, all of that would make perfect sense...but most of us live in the real world, where coincidence happens and there is no need to fill in the blanks... There is no such thing as coincidence. Cause and effect is exact down to the quantum level. Everything is connected.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 08/29/12 09:02 PM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies... Thinking that there is such a thing as coincidences is ignorance of true reality. Cause and effect. Everything is connected. they are out to get you...in the mind of a paranoid CTer, all of that would make perfect sense...but most of us live in the real world, where coincidence happens and there is no need to fill in the blanks... What more does it take to wake you up? the 911 commission itself disowns its own report. Your being absurd. yea, thats why he's charging 20 dollars a book...

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Wed 08/29/12 09:13 PM
"He" is not the commission.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 08/30/12 07:18 AM
It probably was a plane. But no one can prove it was flight 11. No one can prove it wasn't.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 08/30/12 12:00 PM
It probably was a plane. But no one can prove it was flight 11. No one can prove it wasn't. SO if it wasn't, you just take their word for it. Okay.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Thu 08/30/12 12:36 PM
There are no "coincidences." Calling everything a "coincidence" is basically ignoring clues. Ignoring clues leads to shoddy investigation. thinking there are no coincidences is why you make up wild stories all the time... since you don't know much about the sciences either, the stories turn into fantasies... Thinking that there is such a thing as coincidences is ignorance of true reality. Cause and effect. Everything is connected. they are out to get you...in the mind of a paranoid CTer, all of that would make perfect sense...but most of us live in the real world, where coincidence happens and there is no need to fill in the blanks... What more does it take to wake you up? the 911 commission itself disowns its own report. Your being absurd. yea, thats why he's charging 20 dollars a book... Its a career dead end considering his position prior to writing the book. Its rather absurd to say a man who has a great career would ruin that career for the sake of a few bucks. Some people though just "think" a certain way and if that thinking confirms their world view that is the only explanation that is logical. I see it as his effort to rehab his reputation after all its totally absurd how they explained 911 happened.

HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Thu 08/30/12 01:15 PM
I see it as his effort to rehab his reputation after all its totally absurd how they explained 911 happened. Yes, your reasoning merely confirms your world view, therefore that is the only explanation that is logical.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 08/30/12 01:22 PM
It probably was a plane. But no one can prove it was flight 11. No one can prove it wasn't. SO if it wasn't, you just take their word for it. Okay. Just like no one can prove to me you are who you say you are. So what?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Thu 08/30/12 04:46 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/30/12 04:47 PM
It probably was a plane. But no one can prove it was flight 11. No one can prove it wasn't. SO if it wasn't, you just take their word for it. Okay. Just like no one can prove to me you are who you say you are. So what? I see.... so it really doesn't matter to you if they are lying about it. Okay. Who do I say I am?

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Thu 08/30/12 05:14 PM
It probably was a plane. But no one can prove it was flight 11. No one can prove it wasn't. SO if it wasn't, you just take their word for it. Okay. Just like no one can prove to me you are who you say you are. So what? I see.... so it really doesn't matter to you if they are lying about it. Okay. Who do I say I am? Satin?