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its not really that simple, believing something to be 'immoral' basically is going to (hopefully) affect not only your own behavior but the behavior of those under our care whom we are expected to teach and protect sometimes having a strong enough belief in the immorality of something can help it BECOME a law,, like the immorality of treating humans like cattle lead to actions by others to make a law forbidding it,,, setting an example is an important part of adulthood, and it would seem hypocritical(for instance) for me to say I feel adultery is wrong while encouraging adulterers to feel 'pride' about their activities although I dont make food purchases political statements, personally, I certainly can understand others not wanting to support those entities which launch campaigns to encourage and support what they feei is 'immoral' behavior If you feel that strongly about something, sure, try to help get it made into a law. However, until that happens, it isn't up to you what others decide to do. You don't have that kind of control over what others do, nor should you. I dont have control over what others do,,, I agree I can influence others though, we all have that ability,,, |
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Does the new covenant supersede the old covenant? Then the old law does not apply and the new one- love thy neighbor does apply? If I remember correctly, Paul's most famous student drew this conclusion and was banished. the old testament was just for one group of 'chosen' the new teatament put everyone on the same playing field and most of it still validated the old except the punishments and the sacrifices,,,, Regardless of what Paul said, Jesus said that he did not come to change one iota of the law. What causes people like Bart Ehlrman to lose faith? When studying the Bible, he got tired of reading stories in the Bible and then not finding them in earlier Bible versions and lost faith in the book. What people fail to realize is that Jesus teaching love is not different than what is taught in the Old Testament. Do you follow the letter of the law or the spirit of the law? |
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Does the new covenant supersede the old covenant? Then the old law does not apply and the new one- love thy neighbor does apply? If I remember correctly, Paul's most famous student drew this conclusion and was banished. the old testament was just for one group of 'chosen' the new teatament put everyone on the same playing field and most of it still validated the old except the punishments and the sacrifices,,,, Regardless of what Paul said, Jesus said that he did not come to change one iota of the law. What causes people like Bart Ehlrman to lose faith? When studying the Bible, he got tired of reading stories in the Bible and then not finding them in earlier Bible versions and lost faith in the book. What people fail to realize is that Jesus teaching love is not different than what is taught in the Old Testament. Do you follow the letter of the law or the spirit of the law? hopefully, both,,,,,its the goal |
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its not really that simple, believing something to be 'immoral' basically is going to (hopefully) affect not only your own behavior but the behavior of those under our care whom we are expected to teach and protect sometimes having a strong enough belief in the immorality of something can help it BECOME a law,, like the immorality of treating humans like cattle lead to actions by others to make a law forbidding it,,, setting an example is an important part of adulthood, and it would seem hypocritical(for instance) for me to say I feel adultery is wrong while encouraging adulterers to feel 'pride' about their activities although I dont make food purchases political statements, personally, I certainly can understand others not wanting to support those entities which launch campaigns to encourage and support what they feei is 'immoral' behavior If you feel that strongly about something, sure, try to help get it made into a law. However, until that happens, it isn't up to you what others decide to do. You don't have that kind of control over what others do, nor should you. I dont have control over what others do,,, I agree I can influence others though, we all have that ability,,, If they're actually willing to listen to you. How many gay people are going to be willing to listen to you lecture, though? |
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its not really that simple, believing something to be 'immoral' basically is going to (hopefully) affect not only your own behavior but the behavior of those under our care whom we are expected to teach and protect sometimes having a strong enough belief in the immorality of something can help it BECOME a law,, like the immorality of treating humans like cattle lead to actions by others to make a law forbidding it,,, setting an example is an important part of adulthood, and it would seem hypocritical(for instance) for me to say I feel adultery is wrong while encouraging adulterers to feel 'pride' about their activities although I dont make food purchases political statements, personally, I certainly can understand others not wanting to support those entities which launch campaigns to encourage and support what they feei is 'immoral' behavior If you feel that strongly about something, sure, try to help get it made into a law. However, until that happens, it isn't up to you what others decide to do. You don't have that kind of control over what others do, nor should you. I dont have control over what others do,,, I agree I can influence others though, we all have that ability,,, If they're actually willing to listen to you. How many gay people are going to be willing to listen to you lecture, though? just the ones I love who love me,,, or the ones who have had loved ones tell them what I tell them,,, |
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Does the new covenant supersede the old covenant? Then the old law does not apply and the new one- love thy neighbor does apply? If I remember correctly, Paul's most famous student drew this conclusion and was banished.  What are you talking about? What "student"?
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This thread has moved away from the actual subject of the OP.
It refers to comments posted on another website, comments that are not the kind that any Christian should make. These particular comments reflect judgement without any biblical guidance. |
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Personal choice is just that; if you don't like what someone thinks or believes then yea you can boycott their product but to try an put an American Icon out of bussiness because they support personal choice just seems wrong for me.
A boycott is a form of speech. Are you opposed to free speech? No I will defend to death anyone's right to free speech, or that matter protesting through your wallet which a boycott is, but does not make it seem fair or just to me. Just because Oreo produces a product that people do not agree with does not sustify knuckleing under a whole company putting people out of work. Seems like bully tactics to me. |
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Ok..I have lost all the IQ points I am willing on waste on this. Consider the view . Intolerant hatred of intolerant hatred. Have fun with it. hatred?...not at all - When God forbids a certain act, and men refuse to heed warnings to cease from such acts they are judged. Last time I checked it was natural course for someone to die, it's God's job to judge behavior and decide on eternal damnation, and mankind's job to love thy neighbor. But what do I know? It clearly states that God's command ment is thou shall not kill so all the suggested violence and talk about death sounds like some of mankind trying to commit sin and hurry up damnation which is not even assured if a person repents. Also assumes that each and every Gay person is actually doing specific perverse acts that both (some) heterosexual and homosexuals do. |
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I'm asking you questions here and now. You're dodging them. They should be easy for you to answer. your heart isn't Godward, and we both know it so I couldn't be bothered to give you any more attention And you are sure of this how? If it is your job to teach then teach don't coward away saying someone is not worth your time. |
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Personal choice is just that; if you don't like what someone thinks or believes then yea you can boycott their product but to try an put an American Icon out of bussiness because they support personal choice just seems wrong for me.
A boycott is a form of speech. Are you opposed to free speech? No I will defend to death anyone's right to free speech, or that matter protesting through your wallet which a boycott is, but does not make it seem fair or just to me. Just because Oreo produces a product that people do not agree with does not sustify knuckleing under a whole company putting people out of work. Seems like bully tactics to me. Uh, refusing to purchase an item from a company is bullying? |
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I'm asking you questions here and now. You're dodging them. They should be easy for you to answer. your heart isn't Godward, and we both know it so I couldn't be bothered to give you any more attention And you are sure of this how? If it is your job to teach then teach don't coward away saying someone is not worth your time. I agree with Pacific on this one. Jesus himself didn't come for the righteous, he came to spread the news to the one's that did not know him. And he told us to do the same. |
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Personal choice is just that; if you don't like what someone thinks or believes then yea you can boycott their product but to try an put an American Icon out of bussiness because they support personal choice just seems wrong for me.
A boycott is a form of speech. Are you opposed to free speech? No I will defend to death anyone's right to free speech, or that matter protesting through your wallet which a boycott is, but does not make it seem fair or just to me. Just because Oreo produces a product that people do not agree with does not sustify knuckleing under a whole company putting people out of work. Seems like bully tactics to me. Uh, refusing to purchase an item from a company is bullying? Lol very strange ideal there. |
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It clearly states that God's command ment is thou shall not kill . . .
Correction: The commandment is, "You shall not murder." Immediately after the Commandments (Exodus 20), God specifically tells Moses that murderers are to be executed (Exodus 21:12). Anyway, if the New Testament is to be believed, then all sin is worthy of death. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Thu 06/28/12 01:43 PM
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It clearly states that God's command ment is thou shall not kill . . .
Correction: The commandment is, "You shall not murder." Immediately after the Commandments (Exodus 20), God specifically tells Moses that murderers are to be executed (Exodus 21:12). Anyway, if the New Testament is to be believed, then all sin is worthy of death. True, it does say "thou shall not murder". Murder and kill are not the exact same thing, murdering is unlawful taking of a life. You can kill an animal, but you can not murder an animal. Unless of course they are protected by law, but please lets not split hairs here. And yes all sin is worthy of death. Romans 6:23 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. But not death by the hands of a fellow person on this planet eg., a judge, executioner, ect. All judgement lays in the hands of Jesus Christ. |
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And yes all sin is worthy of death.
Romans 6:23 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. But not death by the hands of a fellow person on this planet eg., a judge, executioner, ect. All judgement lays in the hands of Jesus Christ. That is the point that I was making yesterday. Scripturally speaking, heterosexuals are deserving death, too, because they are also sinners. It is a bit difficult to debate sin with an alleged "Christian" if that person will not admit to being a sinner, too. |
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The issue here pertains to morality. If you are going to complain about homophobia, then please tell us what standard that you use to determine what is moral and what is immoral. I'm going to say something vulgar here and I'm sorry. I just don't know a better way to make my point. This statement above implies being gay is a choice. If that were true, I could one day decide that I'm sick of having sex with women and start getting turned on by a big hard penis instead. I for one, cannot change my mind about that. Hard penises just don't do it for me. I can't change what turns me on. Can you? Could you decide that you'd rather have a man's penis inside your behind? Rather than your penis inside a woman? If you can, then your statement about morals makes sense. But, if you agree with me, then it isn't a moral choice and people just do what's right for them. Live and let live. |
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This thread has moved away from the actual subject of the OP. It refers to comments posted on another website, comments that are not the kind that any Christian should make. These particular comments reflect judgement without any biblical guidance. partially true, the title is about homophobia but the initial comment was about homophobes boycotting cookies... |
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Edited by
msharmony
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The issue here pertains to morality. If you are going to complain about homophobia, then please tell us what standard that you use to determine what is moral and what is immoral. I'm going to say something vulgar here and I'm sorry. I just don't know a better way to make my point. This statement above implies being gay is a choice. If that were true, I could one day decide that I'm sick of having sex with women and start getting turned on by a big hard penis instead. I for one, cannot change my mind about that. Hard penises just don't do it for me. I can't change what turns me on. Can you? Could you decide that you'd rather have a man's penis inside your behind? Rather than your penis inside a woman? If you can, then your statement about morals makes sense. But, if you agree with me, then it isn't a moral choice and people just do what's right for them. Live and let live. actually people have and do 'change their mind' about their sexual partners daily attraction is a subconscious choice, and sex is a conscious one,,, as to sodomy, I dont understand what the gender of the bum has to do with it if that is what turns someone on,,,, the moment we can evolve into allowing attraction to EVOLVE out of more than just physical, the physical becomes a CHOICE,,, I feel the same about oral sex,, if one likes a mouth on their genitals,, what difference does the gender attached make really except in their own mind,,,, |
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And yes all sin is worthy of death.
Romans 6:23 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. But not death by the hands of a fellow person on this planet eg., a judge, executioner, ect. All judgement lays in the hands of Jesus Christ. That is the point that I was making yesterday. Scripturally speaking, heterosexuals are deserving death, too, because they are also sinners. It is a bit difficult to debate sin with an alleged "Christian" if that person will not admit to being a sinner, too. It is very true that even Christians sin. No one said Christians were better, greater, or anything in comparison to a non-Christian. We are all deserving of death because of the sins we've committed. That's why we say Jesus is so great and ever loving. He came to taste death in the firey pits of hell for us all, he took the punishment for each and everyone of our sins even with us being undeserving of such a gift. No one said homosexuals were low lives, didn't deserve forgiveness like the rest of us, ect. No one said anything negative in that area about homosexuals. Just homosexuality is a sin that can be avoided, of course just like any other. And we will all be judged accordingly. |
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