Topic: Homophobia is alive and well.
Dodo_David's photo
Thu 06/28/12 02:24 PM


The issue here pertains to morality.

If you are going to complain about homophobia, then please tell us what standard that you use to determine what is moral and what is immoral.


I'm going to say something vulgar here and I'm sorry. I just don't know a better way to make my point.

This statement above implies being gay is a choice. If that were true, I could one day decide that I'm sick of having sex with women and start getting turned on by a big hard penis instead.

I for one, cannot change my mind about that. Hard penises just don't do it for me. I can't change what turns me on.

Can you? Could you decide that you'd rather have a man's penis inside your behind? Rather than your penis inside a woman?

If you can, then your statement about morals makes sense. But, if you agree with me, then it isn't a moral choice and people just do what's right for them.

Live and let live.


TexasScoundrel,

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

As msharmony has pointed out, behavior usually is a choice, which is why I talk about behavior, not feelings.

Anyway, when I went to the link posted in the OP, I was disgusted by some of the things that I read. Although some people cited religious reasons for opposing sex between persons of the same gender, other people said mean things, things that IMHO conflict with a godly response to the topic.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 06/28/12 02:31 PM

No one said homosexuals were low lives, didn't deserve forgiveness like the rest of us, ect. No one said anything negative in that area about homosexuals.


Go to the link in the OP, and read the comments that were posted. More than one person belittled the humanity of homosexuals.

Also, a few pages back (on this thread), someone did single out homosexual behavior for condemnation, as if that behavior was the only behavior worthy of condemnation.

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 06/28/12 02:36 PM


No one said homosexuals were low lives, didn't deserve forgiveness like the rest of us, ect. No one said anything negative in that area about homosexuals.


Go to the link in the OP, and read the comments that were posted. More than one person belittled the humanity of homosexuals.

Also, a few pages back (on this thread), someone did single out homosexual behavior for condemnation, as if that behavior was the only behavior worthy of condemnation.


When someone "quotes" a response and replies, they are responding to that which they quoted. Any previous comments by other's are moot, so matters not what someone said a few pages back, or even specifically in the OP itself.

All but one sin is equal and forgivable. The only sin unforgivable come judgement is denying the lord thy God. All other sins, weather it be a murderer, a theif, a lier, a homosexual, ect is all forgivable. Ask and ye shall receive. We know not whom will die eternally, we know not if a specific homosexual will, we know not if a specific murderer will, ect. All sins are worthy of death.

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Thu 06/28/12 02:59 PM



Personal choice is just that; if you don't like what someone thinks or believes then yea you can boycott their product but to try an put an American Icon out of bussiness because they support personal choice just seems wrong for me.


A boycott is a form of speech. Are you opposed to free speech?


No I will defend to death anyone's right to free speech, or that matter protesting through your wallet which a boycott is, but does not make it seem fair or just to me. Just because Oreo produces a product that people do not agree with does not sustify knuckleing under a whole company putting people out of work. Seems like bully tactics to me.


Uh, refusing to purchase an item from a company is bullying?

Specificlly not buying it yourself no.
It kind of seems that way to me if you; however, demand others to do it or then they are ridiculed, threatened, or otherwise made to suffer. Would you not think I was a bully if I threatened your livelyhood if you did not agree with my ideas?

PacificStar48's photo
Thu 06/28/12 02:59 PM



Personal choice is just that; if you don't like what someone thinks or believes then yea you can boycott their product but to try an put an American Icon out of bussiness because they support personal choice just seems wrong for me.


A boycott is a form of speech. Are you opposed to free speech?


No I will defend to death anyone's right to free speech, or that matter protesting through your wallet which a boycott is, but does not make it seem fair or just to me. Just because Oreo produces a product that people do not agree with does not sustify knuckleing under a whole company putting people out of work. Seems like bully tactics to me.


Uh, refusing to purchase an item from a company is bullying?

Specificlly not buying it yourself no.
It kind of seems that way to me if you; however, demand others to do it or then they are ridiculed, threatened, or otherwise made to suffer. Would you not think I was a bully if I threatened your livelyhood if you did not agree with my ideas?

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 06/28/12 03:12 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Thu 06/28/12 03:14 PM
Would you not think I was a bully if I threatened your livelyhood if you did not agree with my ideas?


It is not an act of bullying to decide not to buy another party's product. According to your logic, any boycott is bullying.

I consider it an act of bullying to accuse others of bullying because those others are boycotting another party. The accusation of bullying is a thinly-veiled attempt to suppress free speech that is in the form of a boycott.


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Thu 06/28/12 03:28 PM
Edited by HeadnHeart on Thu 06/28/12 03:29 PM




Personal choice is just that; if you don't like what someone thinks or believes then yea you can boycott their product but to try an put an American Icon out of bussiness because they support personal choice just seems wrong for me.


A boycott is a form of speech. Are you opposed to free speech?


No I will defend to death anyone's right to free speech, or that matter protesting through your wallet which a boycott is, but does not make it seem fair or just to me. Just because Oreo produces a product that people do not agree with does not sustify knuckleing under a whole company putting people out of work. Seems like bully tactics to me.


Uh, refusing to purchase an item from a company is bullying?

Specificlly not buying it yourself no.
It kind of seems that way to me if you; however, demand others to do it or then they are ridiculed, threatened, or otherwise made to suffer. Would you not think I was a bully if I threatened your livelyhood if you did not agree with my ideas?


I really don't care what another chooses for themselves, But not for me. Im not like the haters that wrote their hypocrisy all over those pages. Against, Tolerate, Neutral or Supportive stance, will likely be whatever they were before this campaign.

They were foolish enough to promote something other than their product, then they took a chance that they will gain more customers than loose by that type of marketing. Why not support Cancer or AIDS?

If they made a Jesus cookie, a skinhead cookie, a marijuana leaf shaped cookie or anything else that is controversial, they are promoting that lifestyle and the ideas that go with it... and will have to deal with the consequences, no?




Dodo_David's photo
Thu 06/28/12 03:39 PM
I really don't care what another chooses for themselves, But not for me. Im not like the haters that wrote their hypocrisy all over those pages. Against, Tolerate, Neutral or Supportive stance, will likely be whatever they were before this campaign.

They were foolish enough to promote something other than their product, then they took a chance that they will gain more customers than loose by that type of marketing. Why not support Cancer or AIDS?

If they made a Jesus cookie, a skinhead cookie, a marijuana leaf shaped cookie or anything else that is controversial, they are promoting that lifestyle and the ideas that go with it... and will have to deal with the consequences, no?


:thumbsup:

no photo
Thu 06/28/12 07:47 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Thu 06/28/12 07:48 PM

This thread has moved away from the actual subject of the OP.

It refers to comments posted on another website, comments that are not the kind that any Christian should make. These particular comments reflect judgement without any biblical guidance.


It didn't start out as a religious discussion. Unfortunately, I think it will stay off topic since it was moved. You are correct, though. This thread was about what people had said that has been shared on the link I provided in the beginning.

no photo
Thu 06/28/12 07:50 PM


This thread has moved away from the actual subject of the OP.

It refers to comments posted on another website, comments that are not the kind that any Christian should make. These particular comments reflect judgement without any biblical guidance.


partially true, the title is about homophobia but the initial comment was about homophobes boycotting cookies...





The original post was specifically about the link, which showed several bigoted statements people had said about homosexuality. And about those people boycotting Oreo. It was brought off topic by all the religious posts.

no photo
Thu 06/28/12 07:51 PM



The issue here pertains to morality.

If you are going to complain about homophobia, then please tell us what standard that you use to determine what is moral and what is immoral.


I'm going to say something vulgar here and I'm sorry. I just don't know a better way to make my point.

This statement above implies being gay is a choice. If that were true, I could one day decide that I'm sick of having sex with women and start getting turned on by a big hard penis instead.

I for one, cannot change my mind about that. Hard penises just don't do it for me. I can't change what turns me on.

Can you? Could you decide that you'd rather have a man's penis inside your behind? Rather than your penis inside a woman?

If you can, then your statement about morals makes sense. But, if you agree with me, then it isn't a moral choice and people just do what's right for them.

Live and let live.


TexasScoundrel,

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

As msharmony has pointed out, behavior usually is a choice, which is why I talk about behavior, not feelings.

Anyway, when I went to the link posted in the OP, I was disgusted by some of the things that I read. Although some people cited religious reasons for opposing sex between persons of the same gender, other people said mean things, things that IMHO conflict with a godly response to the topic.


I don't think it's usually a choice, though. At least not from what I've been told by the gay people I know. They didn't choose to stop being into the opposite sex and into the same sex instead.

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Thu 06/28/12 07:52 PM



No one said homosexuals were low lives, didn't deserve forgiveness like the rest of us, ect. No one said anything negative in that area about homosexuals.


Go to the link in the OP, and read the comments that were posted. More than one person belittled the humanity of homosexuals.

Also, a few pages back (on this thread), someone did single out homosexual behavior for condemnation, as if that behavior was the only behavior worthy of condemnation.


When someone "quotes" a response and replies, they are responding to that which they quoted. Any previous comments by other's are moot, so matters not what someone said a few pages back, or even specifically in the OP itself.

All but one sin is equal and forgivable. The only sin unforgivable come judgement is denying the lord thy God. All other sins, weather it be a murderer, a theif, a lier, a homosexual, ect is all forgivable. Ask and ye shall receive. We know not whom will die eternally, we know not if a specific homosexual will, we know not if a specific murderer will, ect. All sins are worthy of death.


The thread was originally about the link I shared in the first post, where many, many people said very nasty things about homosexuals. So no, that's not moot. That's still what we are discussing.

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Thu 06/28/12 09:07 PM
seriously, its not a big deal

when one posts about homophobes (subject) And boycotting (verb), its natural that either of those issues will be discussed,,,,



no photo
Thu 06/28/12 09:15 PM
I just get the feeling that some are suggesting religion as an excuse for what some of those people have said. I'm certainly not saying that everyone has to agree with homosexuality, but when someone says such nasty things as what those people have said on that link, not even religion can excuse them.

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/28/12 09:19 PM

I just get the feeling that some are suggesting religion as an excuse for what some of those people have said. I'm certainly not saying that everyone has to agree with homosexuality, but when someone says such nasty things as what those people have said on that link, not even religion can excuse them.


no, nasty, ugly, vulgar bigotry, is no substitute for mature and respectful discourse,,,

TBRich's photo
Fri 06/29/12 10:11 AM
BTW, in Human Sexuality, orientation is described by the infamous Bell curve (which describes most things). Ergo, at the two farthest ends (two standard deviations) are the 100% Homosexual and Heterosexual populations. Everything in between is well inbetween.

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/29/12 11:09 AM

BTW, in Human Sexuality, orientation is described by the infamous Bell curve (which describes most things). Ergo, at the two farthest ends (two standard deviations) are the 100% Homosexual and Heterosexual populations. Everything in between is well inbetween.

According to who?

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 06/29/12 08:21 PM




No one said homosexuals were low lives, didn't deserve forgiveness like the rest of us, ect. No one said anything negative in that area about homosexuals.


Go to the link in the OP, and read the comments that were posted. More than one person belittled the humanity of homosexuals.

Also, a few pages back (on this thread), someone did single out homosexual behavior for condemnation, as if that behavior was the only behavior worthy of condemnation.


When someone "quotes" a response and replies, they are responding to that which they quoted. Any previous comments by other's are moot, so matters not what someone said a few pages back, or even specifically in the OP itself.

All but one sin is equal and forgivable. The only sin unforgivable come judgement is denying the lord thy God. All other sins, weather it be a murderer, a theif, a lier, a homosexual, ect is all forgivable. Ask and ye shall receive. We know not whom will die eternally, we know not if a specific homosexual will, we know not if a specific murderer will, ect. All sins are worthy of death.


The thread was originally about the link I shared in the first post, where many, many people said very nasty things about homosexuals. So no, that's not moot. That's still what we are discussing.


Last comment on this specific thing.

The thread itself may be about that link and all. But when someone "quotes" someone's statement, what is said in the original post is moot to the response. Anything said about the quote, is about the quote, not about the original comment.

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Fri 06/29/12 09:52 PM



Last comment on this specific thing.

The thread itself may be about that link and all. But when someone "quotes" someone's statement, what is said in the original post is moot to the response. Anything said about the quote, is about the quote, not about the original comment.


I have to disagree. If it's off topic, it's off topic.

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/29/12 09:58 PM




Last comment on this specific thing.

The thread itself may be about that link and all. But when someone "quotes" someone's statement, what is said in the original post is moot to the response. Anything said about the quote, is about the quote, not about the original comment.


I have to disagree. If it's off topic, it's off topic.

I don't mind going off into a tangent, but eventually we need to return to the original topic.