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..man made the bible,god made the world..who do you trust..  
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I have two things to say here..... 1. I find it astounding, and also quite sad, that just because "God commands it" suddenly mass murder becomes ok and lawful when EVERYONE knows it is wrong. How does it suddenly become ok for God to break his own damn law? It is as Jeannie has already said, insanity! 2. It has been said here that we are not under the law of the old testament any longer, so this "judgment" no longer applies and no longer happens. My response to that? SO WHAT? It should NEVER have been happening in the first place! The fact alone that this God would have ever done it, disqualifies it from any worship or respect right there. Doesn't matter if it doesn't do it now, fact is it still did it, and there is no justification for it regardless of what your religion tells you. I can say a whole lot more......but for the purposes of this I will leave it at that. 1. I find it astounding, and also quite sad, that just because "God commands it" suddenly mass murder becomes ok and lawful when EVERYONE knows it is wrong. How does it suddenly become ok for God to break his own damn law? It is as Jeannie has already said, insanity! God isn't and wouldn't be breaking any law. Murder is unlawful taking of a life. God has told us the laws and the consequence for breaking those laws eg., the only reward for sin is death, ect. It has been said here that we are not under the law of the old testament any longer, so this "judgment" no longer applies and no longer happens. Out in left field a bit? Nobody even mentioned any old testament laws. Notice, these following verses of "judgement" are from the new testament. John 5:22 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son 2 Timothy 4:1 4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom Acts 17:31 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. First off, when it's your God doing the killing......it's still wrong, I don't care how you wanna try and justify it. It's one thing to say: "Ok if you do this this or this, you could possibly die, so I would suggest you didn't". It's ENTIRELY different to say: "Ok if you do this this or this, I will see to it that you die" one is an example of natural consequence, the other is just violent murder by a jealous and controlling being. Secondly.....do you not even remember what you wrote 3 days ago dude??? Seriously? You made the claim we are not under old testament law any longer, and as such the way of dealing with sin then doesn't apply now. So no this is not out of left field at all, you said it! Secondly.....do you not even remember what you wrote 3 days ago dude??? Seriously? You made the claim we are not under old testament law any longer, and as such the way of dealing with sin then doesn't apply now. So no this is not out of left field at all, you said it! Ah, but it is out in left field. Sorry for the missunderstanding you have had here. In the old covenant we were judged by our peers, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Now the father has committed all judgement to his son, whom will judge us all. We are no longer to judge anyone, for again it has been laid in the hands of Jesus to do. John 5:22 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son Please keep in mind where verses are posted, from either old testament or new testament. Those two testaments, cover two different covenants, two different sets of laws. The old covenant has done been fulfilled, completed, finished and thus we have been given a new covenant. |
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mans laws and Gods laws and mans guidance concerning mans laws and traditions all easy to confuse,,, It's really quite simple when you let go of your own bias to prove what you believe to be correct. If God is not human, he will not ACT human. Jealousy and anger to name a few things are HUMAN traits. Make up your mind, is God human or is he spirit? but as a human , who are we to possibly assume HOW he would or should act? besides the bible, what reference can we use to assign behavior to one great enough to create life itself? how unreasonable is it for a creator to INCLUDE some of their own traits in the creation? ,,,so its the creation behaving like its creator,, not the other way around... I'll put it like this, if God is supposed to be ABOVE us, he's not gonna act WORSE than us. Yet the Biblical God does exactly this, doing things even WE know are wrong to do, or at least we SHOULD. this again is a false idea, it assumes that an action alone is above other actions it assumes 'killing' is always the lesser action just like different circumstances result in a different legal definition of an action, different circumstances can make the same 'action' not truly equal in its 'wrongness' if someone comes at a person with a machete and they are shot dead,,that is a different offense than if someone is lying asleep and is shot dead ,, although they are both equally dead at the hands of another to keep trying to compare what God does as right or wrong based on what is right or wrong for us is presuming an action, on its own, is wrong no matter the circumstances,, and that is false |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 06/18/12 07:10 AM
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if God is nature, made nature, and controls nature than any death facilitated by him is 'natural' he is the creator, life is his to give or take,,, So commanding mass killings is natural to you? Like Jeannie said, STOP excusing murder. Cause that's what it is. And it's not what love would do, to say: "Obey me or I kill you" no....that doesn't work. There is no justification for that type of behavior of a parent. Any good parent here would lose custody of their child for acting that way and quite rightly, so how does God get a pass? It's insanity. Do not soldiers in EVERY country, have leaders whom they have to trust with the knowledge and intelligence to discern when killing may be a necessary evil? as much as war is natural, Gods 'mass killing' is as well,,, God MAKES life, he is more than a mortal parent,,,he makes a LIFE CYCLE that has a beginning and an end and he says OBey me and I will give you EVERLASTING LIFE its easier to understand if ones point of view is of men that are supposed to exist for GODS glory, instead of a God that is supposed to function for mans,,,, A being that creates something SOLELY for its' own glory and nothing else.....has serious ego and control problems. And we're told we're not supposed to be prideful? Uh......I think that's called hypocrisy....... Oh and again......."obey me or you die eternally" does NOT equal free will. It cannot truly exist with a threat attached to it. Sorry, try again. again, comparing applying mortal emotion to a God the point continues to be missed,,,, like a child not understanding the adult world,,,, what point is there to eternal life for us if the intent was only ego,,,our life cycle would suffice as long as we worhsipped God throughout it,,,,, no, just like the employer rewards us with a promotion , even though his purpose is to make a profit we are given lifes promotion for our 'service' as well an egomaniac would just keep slaves until they died and replace them with new slaves,,, |
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The topic is :
What if a new God arrives on the scene and explains to you that the current God you are worshiping is a false God and demands that you now worship him? The reason I ask this question, is because it could happen. The plan for a one world government also has a plan for the worship of a single God. You will be told that there is only one God of this world. (Actually, you already have been told that and you believe that, right?) We have heard repeatedly that there is "only one God." We have heard it so many times that most people who believe in God will agree that there is only one. At some point, you will be introduced to that God. All religions will have to comply and bow to the same God. Bear in mind, that the statue of Liberty represents Lucifer the light bearer. You will be told that he is the one true God of this world and always has been. |
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If there is only one God then it is the same God for everyone!
We are all brothers and sisters. Let us rejoice!  |
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I have two things to say here..... 1. I find it astounding, and also quite sad, that just because "God commands it" suddenly mass murder becomes ok and lawful when EVERYONE knows it is wrong. How does it suddenly become ok for God to break his own damn law? It is as Jeannie has already said, insanity! 2. It has been said here that we are not under the law of the old testament any longer, so this "judgment" no longer applies and no longer happens. My response to that? SO WHAT? It should NEVER have been happening in the first place! The fact alone that this God would have ever done it, disqualifies it from any worship or respect right there. Doesn't matter if it doesn't do it now, fact is it still did it, and there is no justification for it regardless of what your religion tells you. I can say a whole lot more......but for the purposes of this I will leave it at that. 1. I find it astounding, and also quite sad, that just because "God commands it" suddenly mass murder becomes ok and lawful when EVERYONE knows it is wrong. How does it suddenly become ok for God to break his own damn law? It is as Jeannie has already said, insanity! God isn't and wouldn't be breaking any law. Murder is unlawful taking of a life. God has told us the laws and the consequence for breaking those laws eg., the only reward for sin is death, ect. It has been said here that we are not under the law of the old testament any longer, so this "judgment" no longer applies and no longer happens. Out in left field a bit? Nobody even mentioned any old testament laws. Notice, these following verses of "judgement" are from the new testament. John 5:22 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son 2 Timothy 4:1 4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom Acts 17:31 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. First off, when it's your God doing the killing......it's still wrong, I don't care how you wanna try and justify it. It's one thing to say: "Ok if you do this this or this, you could possibly die, so I would suggest you didn't". It's ENTIRELY different to say: "Ok if you do this this or this, I will see to it that you die" one is an example of natural consequence, the other is just violent murder by a jealous and controlling being. Secondly.....do you not even remember what you wrote 3 days ago dude??? Seriously? You made the claim we are not under old testament law any longer, and as such the way of dealing with sin then doesn't apply now. So no this is not out of left field at all, you said it! Secondly.....do you not even remember what you wrote 3 days ago dude??? Seriously? You made the claim we are not under old testament law any longer, and as such the way of dealing with sin then doesn't apply now. So no this is not out of left field at all, you said it! Ah, but it is out in left field. Sorry for the missunderstanding you have had here. In the old covenant we were judged by our peers, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Now the father has committed all judgement to his son, whom will judge us all. We are no longer to judge anyone, for again it has been laid in the hands of Jesus to do. John 5:22 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son Please keep in mind where verses are posted, from either old testament or new testament. Those two testaments, cover two different covenants, two different sets of laws. The old covenant has done been fulfilled, completed, finished and thus we have been given a new covenant. The covenant never changes... God keeps HIS covenant. Only by hand of men does the 'covenant' change. god is everlasting. Your quote from John is right. Only you judge yourself in the final day. God is but a witness. Judge yourself Son of God. |
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I have two things to say here..... 1. I find it astounding, and also quite sad, that just because "God commands it" suddenly mass murder becomes ok and lawful when EVERYONE knows it is wrong. How does it suddenly become ok for God to break his own damn law? It is as Jeannie has already said, insanity! 2. It has been said here that we are not under the law of the old testament any longer, so this "judgment" no longer applies and no longer happens. My response to that? SO WHAT? It should NEVER have been happening in the first place! The fact alone that this God would have ever done it, disqualifies it from any worship or respect right there. Doesn't matter if it doesn't do it now, fact is it still did it, and there is no justification for it regardless of what your religion tells you. I can say a whole lot more......but for the purposes of this I will leave it at that. 1. I find it astounding, and also quite sad, that just because "God commands it" suddenly mass murder becomes ok and lawful when EVERYONE knows it is wrong. How does it suddenly become ok for God to break his own damn law? It is as Jeannie has already said, insanity! God isn't and wouldn't be breaking any law. Murder is unlawful taking of a life. God has told us the laws and the consequence for breaking those laws eg., the only reward for sin is death, ect. It has been said here that we are not under the law of the old testament any longer, so this "judgment" no longer applies and no longer happens. Out in left field a bit? Nobody even mentioned any old testament laws. Notice, these following verses of "judgement" are from the new testament. John 5:22 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son 2 Timothy 4:1 4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom Acts 17:31 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. First off, when it's your God doing the killing......it's still wrong, I don't care how you wanna try and justify it. It's one thing to say: "Ok if you do this this or this, you could possibly die, so I would suggest you didn't". It's ENTIRELY different to say: "Ok if you do this this or this, I will see to it that you die" one is an example of natural consequence, the other is just violent murder by a jealous and controlling being. Secondly.....do you not even remember what you wrote 3 days ago dude??? Seriously? You made the claim we are not under old testament law any longer, and as such the way of dealing with sin then doesn't apply now. So no this is not out of left field at all, you said it! Secondly.....do you not even remember what you wrote 3 days ago dude??? Seriously? You made the claim we are not under old testament law any longer, and as such the way of dealing with sin then doesn't apply now. So no this is not out of left field at all, you said it! Ah, but it is out in left field. Sorry for the missunderstanding you have had here. In the old covenant we were judged by our peers, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Now the father has committed all judgement to his son, whom will judge us all. We are no longer to judge anyone, for again it has been laid in the hands of Jesus to do. John 5:22 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son Please keep in mind where verses are posted, from either old testament or new testament. Those two testaments, cover two different covenants, two different sets of laws. The old covenant has done been fulfilled, completed, finished and thus we have been given a new covenant. The covenant never changes... God keeps HIS covenant. Only by hand of men does the 'covenant' change. god is everlasting. Your quote from John is right. Only you judge yourself in the final day. God is but a witness. Judge yourself Son of God. No, the covenant never did change, very true. The first covenant ended. The covenants only hold power till all prophecies are fulfilled. The prophecies of the now "old" covenant were fulfilled, thus completing that covenant. Tis why Jesus made a new covenant with us to replace the old finished one. Nobody said anything about one judging themselves, what are you talking about? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/19/12 11:49 AM
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We will all judge ourselves.
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Edited by
ShiningArmour
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Wed 06/20/12 08:44 AM
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Nice edit shinning... 
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Edited by
ShiningArmour
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Thu 06/21/12 09:27 AM
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Nice edit shinning... I simply did not see the point of arguing with you. |
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Nice edit shinning... I simply did not see the point of arguing with you. Opinions are allowed. I don't argue. |
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Nice edit shinning... I simply did not see the point of arguing with you. Opinions are allowed. I don't argue. |
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I will debate if you care to engage.
Argue, no.
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