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Topic: 50 reasons to be ashamed (and not a fan) of Jesus
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 07:05 AM
POSTED BY COWBOY 1 I've never even said I only worship one or the other. POSTED BY COWBOY 1: God the father is the only God I worship. Cowboy...do the truth even exist in you my Son? have you ever consider that you might be a pathological liar? Yeah, I worship God the father through Jesus Christ. You can't worship God the father without first going through Jesus Christ. the Jews can Nobody can, Jesus is the only way to the Father. Moses would call you a liar I don't care what Moses would say. And why would he call me a liar? because isn't it obvious that Moses didn't need Jesus to get to God ...why do you ask silly questions like that?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 07:09 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 07/06/12 07:18 AM
POSTED BY COWBOY 1 I've never even said I only worship one or the other. POSTED BY COWBOY 1: God the father is the only God I worship. Cowboy...do the truth even exist in you my Son? have you ever consider that you might be a pathological liar? Yeah, I worship God the father through Jesus Christ. You can't worship God the father without first going through Jesus Christ. the Jews can Nobody can, Jesus is the only way to the Father. Moses would call you a liar I don't care what Moses would say. And why would he call me a liar? because isn't it obvious that Moses didn't need Jesus to get to God ...why do you ask silly questions like that? Apples and oranges again Funches. Moses lived during the old covenant. In the old covenant people were saved by their works. In the new covenant people are saved by our faith in the only begotten, Jesus Christ. Or in more simple terms, in the first covenant we were saved by our works. In the new covenant, we are saved by the grace of God, faith.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 07:33 AM
Apples and oranges again Funches. Moses lived during the old covenant. In the old covenant people were saved by their works. In the new covenant people are saved by our faith in the only begotten, Jesus Christ. now watch me make you contradict yourself and mix those apples and oranges according to you all those that do not know Jesus like babies or those that never heard of Jesus automatically get toss into the Lake of Fire to burn

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 07:49 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 07/06/12 07:52 AM
Apples and oranges again Funches. Moses lived during the old covenant. In the old covenant people were saved by their works. In the new covenant people are saved by our faith in the only begotten, Jesus Christ. now watch me make you contradict yourself and mix those apples and oranges according to you all those that do not know Jesus like babies or those that never heard of Jesus automatically get toss into the Lake of Fire to burn Not specifically, no. The babies will not be thrown into the lake of fire for they don't have the conscious thought to make a choice in either belief or disbelief. And all others would be according to God's judgement. If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir? They couldn't. I know not specifically what they're judgement will be, as that is up to God. But again, I ask. If one had never even heard of Jesus, how could they have made the choice to deny him or not?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 08:47 AM
Not specifically, no. The babies will not be thrown into the lake of fire for they don't have the conscious thought to make a choice in either belief or disbelief. not making a conscious thought to believe or not to believe is called Agnosticism and since babies have "Free Will" they therefore have choice and the babies that are not saved due to fault of their own or their parents according to the Christian religion are destined to be tossed into the Lake of Fire

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 08:50 AM
If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir? see not everyone need Jesus to get to God ...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 09:52 AM
Not specifically, no. The babies will not be thrown into the lake of fire for they don't have the conscious thought to make a choice in either belief or disbelief. not making a conscious thought to believe or not to believe is called Agnosticism and since babies have "Free Will" they therefore have choice and the babies that are not saved due to fault of their own or their parents according to the Christian religion are destined to be tossed into the Lake of Fire Yes babies do have free will, but not a conscience thought of what they are doing with that free will. They don't know what they are doing is or isn't right or wrong. Again, babies don't have a conscience thought of the actions they did or didn't do to be judged on. They are innocent. Even if a baby breaks something, they are innocent for they don't have a conscious thought on what they did. And their parents have nothing to do with it. Your relation or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with your parents or anyone other then yourself and Jesus Christ.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 09:53 AM
If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir? see not everyone need Jesus to get to God ... No, they still need him. For it is his judgement that stands. But who hasn't even just "heard" of Jesus or Christianity as a general note? Very little to none.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 11:26 AM
Yes babies do have free will, but not a conscience thought of what they are doing with that free will. They don't know what they are doing is or isn't right or wrong. Again, babies don't have a conscience thought of the actions they did or didn't do to be judged on. They are innocent. Even if a baby breaks something, they are innocent for they don't have a conscious thought on what they did. And their parents have nothing to do with it. Your relation or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with your parents or anyone other then yourself and Jesus Christ. if babies were innocent and can't make conscious decisions...then why do you insist that it's ok for parents to beat them? ... what type of monster beat those that can't make conscious decision, therefore we have to assume that babies can make conscious decisions and the parents have the responsibility of guidance therefore Christian parents have the options of beating their children into accepting Jesus or use "Forced Baptism" this is why when it comes to the Christian religion babies are not exempt from burning in the lake of fire

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 11:29 AM
If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir? see not everyone need Jesus to get to God ... No, they still need him. For it is his judgement that stands. But who hasn't even just "heard" of Jesus or Christianity as a general note? Very little to none. Jesus never taught anything about having Final Judgement...that is something his followers dreamed up Jesus taught and said that true worshippers worship the Father

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 11:47 AM
Yes babies do have free will, but not a conscience thought of what they are doing with that free will. They don't know what they are doing is or isn't right or wrong. Again, babies don't have a conscience thought of the actions they did or didn't do to be judged on. They are innocent. Even if a baby breaks something, they are innocent for they don't have a conscious thought on what they did. And their parents have nothing to do with it. Your relation or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with your parents or anyone other then yourself and Jesus Christ. if babies were innocent and can't make conscious decisions...then why do you insist that it's ok for parents to beat them? ... what type of monster beat those that can't make conscious decision, therefore we have to assume that babies can make conscious decisions and the parents have the responsibility of guidance therefore Christian parents have the options of beating their children into accepting Jesus or use "Forced Baptism" this is why when it comes to the Christian religion babies are not exempt from burning in the lake of fire What in the world? Now making false accusations about another? I never said it was ok to "beat" a "baby". I've never said it was ok to "beat" anyone.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 11:54 AM
If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir? see not everyone need Jesus to get to God ... No, they still need him. For it is his judgement that stands. But who hasn't even just "heard" of Jesus or Christianity as a general note? Very little to none. Jesus never taught anything about having Final Judgement...that is something his followers dreamed up Jesus taught and said that true worshippers worship the Father Yes, he did teach that we worship the Father. I never said anything different. We worship the father through Jesus Christ. And about the final judgement - Revelation 20:12 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. ------- And here is Jesus speaking specifically of the final judgment that is to come. Matthew 25 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 12:31 PM
Yes babies do have free will, but not a conscience thought of what they are doing with that free will. They don't know what they are doing is or isn't right or wrong. Again, babies don't have a conscience thought of the actions they did or didn't do to be judged on. They are innocent. Even if a baby breaks something, they are innocent for they don't have a conscious thought on what they did. And their parents have nothing to do with it. Your relation or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with your parents or anyone other then yourself and Jesus Christ. if babies were innocent and can't make conscious decisions...then why do you insist that it's ok for parents to beat them? ... what type of monster beat those that can't make conscious decision, therefore we have to assume that babies can make conscious decisions and the parents have the responsibility of guidance therefore Christian parents have the options of beating their children into accepting Jesus or use "Forced Baptism" this is why when it comes to the Christian religion babies are not exempt from burning in the lake of fire What in the world? Now making false accusations about another? I never said it was ok to "beat" a "baby". I've never said it was ok to "beat" anyone. POSTED BY COWBOY It is a parents responsibility to raise that child and "teach" it right from wrong. Some people use spanking, some use others http://mingle2.com/topic/show/329692?page=5 post 17 since you can't spank without beating therefore Christians parents have the option of giving their children a beatdown to accept Jesus or burn in Hell

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 12:34 PM
If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir? see not everyone need Jesus to get to God ... No, they still need him. For it is his judgement that stands. But who hasn't even just "heard" of Jesus or Christianity as a general note? Very little to none. Jesus never taught anything about having Final Judgement...that is something his followers dreamed up Jesus taught and said that true worshippers worship the Father Yes, he did teach that we worship the Father. I never said anything different. We worship the father through Jesus Christ. And about the final judgement - Revelation 20:12 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. ------- And here is Jesus speaking specifically of the final judgment that is to come. Matthew 25 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Cowboy these quotes are from followers not from Jesus....using Revelation as an example is deception since you know that Revelation was a dream not a quote from Jesus as I said Jesus taught nothing about him having final Judgement...he was to afraid of being stoned

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 01:36 PM
Yes babies do have free will, but not a conscience thought of what they are doing with that free will. They don't know what they are doing is or isn't right or wrong. Again, babies don't have a conscience thought of the actions they did or didn't do to be judged on. They are innocent. Even if a baby breaks something, they are innocent for they don't have a conscious thought on what they did. And their parents have nothing to do with it. Your relation or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with your parents or anyone other then yourself and Jesus Christ. if babies were innocent and can't make conscious decisions...then why do you insist that it's ok for parents to beat them? ... what type of monster beat those that can't make conscious decision, therefore we have to assume that babies can make conscious decisions and the parents have the responsibility of guidance therefore Christian parents have the options of beating their children into accepting Jesus or use "Forced Baptism" this is why when it comes to the Christian religion babies are not exempt from burning in the lake of fire What in the world? Now making false accusations about another? I never said it was ok to "beat" a "baby". I've never said it was ok to "beat" anyone. POSTED BY COWBOY It is a parents responsibility to raise that child and "teach" it right from wrong. Some people use spanking, some use others http://mingle2.com/topic/show/329692?page=5 post 17 since you can't spank without beating therefore Christians parents have the option of giving their children a beatdown to accept Jesus or burn in Hell A beating and a spanking are two totally different things. A beating would just be outright hitting on the child for no reason. A spanking is for punishment of something they did.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 01:37 PM
If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir? see not everyone need Jesus to get to God ... No, they still need him. For it is his judgement that stands. But who hasn't even just "heard" of Jesus or Christianity as a general note? Very little to none. Jesus never taught anything about having Final Judgement...that is something his followers dreamed up Jesus taught and said that true worshippers worship the Father Yes, he did teach that we worship the Father. I never said anything different. We worship the father through Jesus Christ. And about the final judgement - Revelation 20:12 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. ------- And here is Jesus speaking specifically of the final judgment that is to come. Matthew 25 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Cowboy these quotes are from followers not from Jesus....using Revelation as an example is deception since you know that Revelation was a dream not a quote from Jesus as I said Jesus taught nothing about him having final Judgement...he was to afraid of being stoned The verses from Matthew were from Jesus specifically.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 02:27 PM
Yes babies do have free will, but not a conscience thought of what they are doing with that free will. They don't know what they are doing is or isn't right or wrong. Again, babies don't have a conscience thought of the actions they did or didn't do to be judged on. They are innocent. Even if a baby breaks something, they are innocent for they don't have a conscious thought on what they did. And their parents have nothing to do with it. Your relation or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with your parents or anyone other then yourself and Jesus Christ. if babies were innocent and can't make conscious decisions...then why do you insist that it's ok for parents to beat them? ... what type of monster beat those that can't make conscious decision, therefore we have to assume that babies can make conscious decisions and the parents have the responsibility of guidance therefore Christian parents have the options of beating their children into accepting Jesus or use "Forced Baptism" this is why when it comes to the Christian religion babies are not exempt from burning in the lake of fire What in the world? Now making false accusations about another? I never said it was ok to "beat" a "baby". I've never said it was ok to "beat" anyone. POSTED BY COWBOY It is a parents responsibility to raise that child and "teach" it right from wrong. Some people use spanking, some use others http://mingle2.com/topic/show/329692?page=5 post 17 since you can't spank without beating therefore Christians parents have the option of giving their children a beatdown to accept Jesus or burn in Hell A beating and a spanking are two totally different things. A beating would just be outright hitting on the child for no reason. A spanking is for punishment of something they did. a beating and a spanking is inflicting pain on a child so therefore parents have the options of "inflicting pain" on their children to teach them to accept Jesus or have their souls burn in the lake of Fire

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 07/06/12 02:34 PM
If one never even heard of Jesus Christ, how would they be punished for denying him as Lord and Savoir? see not everyone need Jesus to get to God ... No, they still need him. For it is his judgement that stands. But who hasn't even just "heard" of Jesus or Christianity as a general note? Very little to none. Jesus never taught anything about having Final Judgement...that is something his followers dreamed up Jesus taught and said that true worshippers worship the Father Yes, he did teach that we worship the Father. I never said anything different. We worship the father through Jesus Christ. And about the final judgement - Revelation 20:12 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. ------- And here is Jesus speaking specifically of the final judgment that is to come. Matthew 25 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Cowboy these quotes are from followers not from Jesus....using Revelation as an example is deception since you know that Revelation was a dream not a quote from Jesus as I said Jesus taught nothing about him having final Judgement...he was to afraid of being stoned The verses from Matthew were from Jesus specifically. Matthew was a disciple that dreamed it up...the proof is that you will never find anything about Jesus teaching to the masses that he had final Judgement ....

dmle Joined Tue 11/03/09 Posts: 147	Fri 07/06/12 04:14 PM
OH what a load of ** is christianity (as well as Judaism and islam) The Earth is Satans kingdom, and Satan tells the truth, the way and the light. Christians are so ed up with their excuses of interpretation of the bible. this is Satan's world, christians ** off! Satan rules and will rule always when it comes down to a mater of intellectual debate.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/06/12 06:45 PM
Yes babies do have free will, but not a conscience thought of what they are doing with that free will. They don't know what they are doing is or isn't right or wrong. Again, babies don't have a conscience thought of the actions they did or didn't do to be judged on. They are innocent. Even if a baby breaks something, they are innocent for they don't have a conscious thought on what they did. And their parents have nothing to do with it. Your relation or lack of has absolutely nothing to do with your parents or anyone other then yourself and Jesus Christ. if babies were innocent and can't make conscious decisions...then why do you insist that it's ok for parents to beat them? ... what type of monster beat those that can't make conscious decision, therefore we have to assume that babies can make conscious decisions and the parents have the responsibility of guidance therefore Christian parents have the options of beating their children into accepting Jesus or use "Forced Baptism" this is why when it comes to the Christian religion babies are not exempt from burning in the lake of fire What in the world? Now making false accusations about another? I never said it was ok to "beat" a "baby". I've never said it was ok to "beat" anyone. POSTED BY COWBOY It is a parents responsibility to raise that child and "teach" it right from wrong. Some people use spanking, some use others http://mingle2.com/topic/show/329692?page=5 post 17 since you can't spank without beating therefore Christians parents have the option of giving their children a beatdown to accept Jesus or burn in Hell A beating and a spanking are two totally different things. A beating would just be outright hitting on the child for no reason. A spanking is for punishment of something they did. a beating and a spanking is inflicting pain on a child so therefore parents have the options of "inflicting pain" on their children to teach them to accept Jesus or have their souls burn in the lake of Fire What in the world are you talking about again? Nobody said anything about even any form of punishment on a child to accept Jesus as lord and savior. That is totally up to the child, has nothing to do with the parent. What are you talking about? We were referring to disciplining a child for doing wrong and you go off with that? What in the world man?