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Topic: 50 reasons to be ashamed (and not a fan) of Jesus
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 04:41 AM
Ah, but you are incorrect. For one, the walk with Jesus is a personal walk. Not from reading anything out of a book, or anything besides Jesus. Someone could know Jesus and not have ever read the bible, or even possibly have ever even just seen the bible. The scriptures are purely knowledge. Jesus is not in that book. And also, this is why I cross referance between multiple different translations, to see exactly what it's talking about. Cowboy...if that was true then you would know that "a personal walk" is not that you actually met Jesus and walked with him but pertains to making your belief strong concerning the spirit so why are you in here faking like you met Jesus

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Mon 06/11/12 04:45 AM
Here i can sum it up by this.People of different faith accept their God(s) and reject the rest.I reject all of the God(s).So in other words through the eyes of people of different faiths everyone who doesn't accept their faith is a nonbeliever.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 04:54 AM
A weak person. A person that chooses to do what pleases him specifically. A person that made/makes mistakes. A person that then leans on his savior for strength not to continue in that sin he once did. Cowboy...right...you are weak... and isn't that the reason you handed your life over to Jesus....that's why it's Jesus fault that you keep committing sin ... you claim that Jesus is right beside you everytime you sin....which is an indication that Jesus wants you to keep sining if people stop sinning...Jesus would be out of a Job

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 05:02 AM
Again, I base nothing after a book. I base my eternal soul on Jesus, which is only eternal through him. And has absolutely nothing to do with "peer-pressure". Again, the walk with Jesus is a personal walk. It's not a walk with Jesus, your uncle, your friend, your dad, ect. It's a walk with just you and Jesus. Cowboy...if you base nothing on a book....then why are you using terms from a book such as Jesus or God or savior ..... it's because all you know about Jesus and God came from a book let's see you post without using those terms....I bet you can't

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:10 AM
Ah, but you are incorrect. For one, the walk with Jesus is a personal walk. Not from reading anything out of a book, or anything besides Jesus. Someone could know Jesus and not have ever read the bible, or even possibly have ever even just seen the bible. The scriptures are purely knowledge. Jesus is not in that book. And also, this is why I cross referance between multiple different translations, to see exactly what it's talking about. Cowboy...if that was true then you would know that "a personal walk" is not that you actually met Jesus and walked with him but pertains to making your belief strong concerning the spirit so why are you in here faking like you met Jesus Oh but you are mistaken. May not have walked with him physically, but we're not talking physically, for we are in here discussing spiritual things.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:14 AM
A weak person. A person that chooses to do what pleases him specifically. A person that made/makes mistakes. A person that then leans on his savior for strength not to continue in that sin he once did. Cowboy...right...you are weak... and isn't that the reason you handed your life over to Jesus....that's why it's Jesus fault that you keep committing sin ... you claim that Jesus is right beside you everytime you sin....which is an indication that Jesus wants you to keep sining if people stop sinning...Jesus would be out of a Job ??? Jesus has no "job". Jesus is always beside each one of us. It is us turning away from God when we do the sin in question, not Jesus turning away from us, or forsaking us. It is us stepping away from God for that time being. And that's where he offers forgivness. His forgivness doesn't justify the sin originally done. But he forgives it when one asks for the forgiveness and turns away from the sin returning to God.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:17 AM
Again, I base nothing after a book. I base my eternal soul on Jesus, which is only eternal through him. And has absolutely nothing to do with "peer-pressure". Again, the walk with Jesus is a personal walk. It's not a walk with Jesus, your uncle, your friend, your dad, ect. It's a walk with just you and Jesus. Cowboy...if you base nothing on a book....then why are you using terms from a book such as Jesus or God or savior ..... it's because all you know about Jesus and God came from a book let's see you post without using those terms....I bet you can't I know OF God because of the scriptures, but I KNOW God from my personal walk that I have had with him. "Knowledge" doesn't save anyone. Only Jesus Christ does. And you will not find Jesus in a book, again only the knowledge thereof is found in the scriptures of the bible, not God specifically.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 05:22 AM
I am not speaking personal and individual PASTORAL interpretations IM speaking about the universally recognized DOCTRINES of the different denominations,,, ------------------------------------------------------------------ But because he has his own interpretations the people in the pews are gonna assume it's true,cause he is a man of God preaching his interpretations. yes , and there are math teachers who dont teach math correctly but what is recognized as 'math' doesnt change in any universal way we can find exceptions to just about everything that would make general discussions pretty obsolete,,, MsHarmony....do the Math teachers claim that the math in the books are not accurate...or that the Math Formulas has been mis-translated from Hebrew.... do all the Math teachers get different answers when each of them do the Math problems do they need Faith to believe in Math this is why your analogy to compare those that teach math to those that preach the bible is inaccurate numbers are much less complex, and yet not all teachers teach math CORRECTLY the analogy is significant BECAUSE of the fact that if something as straightforwards as math can have instructors who dont get it something as COMPLEX as a translation from one language and the context of the language 2000 years ago, is certain to likewise have discrepancies in how some 'instructors' relay it to others,,,m a teacher that intentionally taught Math incorrectly would be the same as a person that preached a false gospel ...both are doing so with the intentions of causing harm it doesn't mean that they don't "get it"...it means they are set on a course to create discord for whatever reason but the bottom line is...you don't need Faith to believe that a Math book doesn't have mis-translations...because the answers pertain to logic not Faith but you do need faith to believe in the bible .....because it apparently lack accuracy ...even the followers claim this when was the last time you heard Math teachers going on strike because the math books are inaccurate and how many times have you heard that the bible is inaccurate...even now in this forum.....but yet followers are willing to bet their immortal soul on something that they themselves deem to be innaccurate which is clearly delusional

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 05:25 AM
Here i can sum it up by this.People of different faith accept their God(s) and reject the rest.I reject all of the God(s).So in other words through the eyes of people of different faiths everyone who doesn't accept their faith is a nonbeliever. all believers are agnostics...the fact that they need faith in order to believe proves this

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 05:30 AM
Ah, but you are incorrect. For one, the walk with Jesus is a personal walk. Not from reading anything out of a book, or anything besides Jesus. Someone could know Jesus and not have ever read the bible, or even possibly have ever even just seen the bible. The scriptures are purely knowledge. Jesus is not in that book. And also, this is why I cross referance between multiple different translations, to see exactly what it's talking about. Cowboy...if that was true then you would know that "a personal walk" is not that you actually met Jesus and walked with him but pertains to making your belief strong concerning the spirit so why are you in here faking like you met Jesus Oh but you are mistaken. May not have walked with him physically, but we're not talking physically, for we are in here discussing spiritual things. no Cowboy...when I asked the question why would someone love someone they never met above the love they had for their children....in order to answer that question you lied and claimed that you met Jesus you said "oh but I've met Jesus" pure deception

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 05:34 AM
A weak person. A person that chooses to do what pleases him specifically. A person that made/makes mistakes. A person that then leans on his savior for strength not to continue in that sin he once did. Cowboy...right...you are weak... and isn't that the reason you handed your life over to Jesus....that's why it's Jesus fault that you keep committing sin ... you claim that Jesus is right beside you everytime you sin....which is an indication that Jesus wants you to keep sining if people stop sinning...Jesus would be out of a Job ??? Jesus has no "job". Jesus is always beside each one of us. It is us turning away from God when we do the sin in question, not Jesus turning away from us, or forsaking us. It is us stepping away from God for that time being. And that's where he offers forgivness. His forgivness doesn't justify the sin originally done. But he forgives it when one asks for the forgiveness and turns away from the sin returning to God. Cowboy...didn't you claim that you put your life in the hands of Jesus .....if this was true then you would be incapable of intentionally sinning ...especially since you claim that jesus is standing beside you ....it would have to be either Jesus or Satan or little elves that is making you sin pick one

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:37 AM
Ah, but you are incorrect. For one, the walk with Jesus is a personal walk. Not from reading anything out of a book, or anything besides Jesus. Someone could know Jesus and not have ever read the bible, or even possibly have ever even just seen the bible. The scriptures are purely knowledge. Jesus is not in that book. And also, this is why I cross referance between multiple different translations, to see exactly what it's talking about. Cowboy...if that was true then you would know that "a personal walk" is not that you actually met Jesus and walked with him but pertains to making your belief strong concerning the spirit so why are you in here faking like you met Jesus Oh but you are mistaken. May not have walked with him physically, but we're not talking physically, for we are in here discussing spiritual things. no Cowboy...when I asked the question why would someone love someone they never met above the love they had for their children....in order to answer that question you lied and claimed that you met Jesus you said "oh but I've met Jesus" pure deception No lying or deception, just your taking things out of context. I never said I met him physically, now did I? No, I just said I have met and know him.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:40 AM
A weak person. A person that chooses to do what pleases him specifically. A person that made/makes mistakes. A person that then leans on his savior for strength not to continue in that sin he once did. Cowboy...right...you are weak... and isn't that the reason you handed your life over to Jesus....that's why it's Jesus fault that you keep committing sin ... you claim that Jesus is right beside you everytime you sin....which is an indication that Jesus wants you to keep sining if people stop sinning...Jesus would be out of a Job ??? Jesus has no "job". Jesus is always beside each one of us. It is us turning away from God when we do the sin in question, not Jesus turning away from us, or forsaking us. It is us stepping away from God for that time being. And that's where he offers forgivness. His forgivness doesn't justify the sin originally done. But he forgives it when one asks for the forgiveness and turns away from the sin returning to God. Cowboy...didn't you claim that you put your life in the hands of Jesus .....if this was true then you would be incapable of intentionally sinning ...especially since you claim that jesus is standing beside you ....it would have to be either Jesus or Satan or little elves that is making you sin pick one Neither one "makes" me sin. It's called free will. People make their own decisions on the choices/actions they do or don't do in life. There is no one to blame but one's own self. Yes I have given God my life, but that doesn't mean I don't make mistakes from time to time on the journey we call life. That's why God offers forgiveness, for he knows we'll make mistakes. And thus the reason one needs to repent. The words are in vein if asking for forgivness then turning around and doing it over and over and over.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:43 AM
Here i can sum it up by this.People of different faith accept their God(s) and reject the rest.I reject all of the God(s).So in other words through the eyes of people of different faiths everyone who doesn't accept their faith is a nonbeliever. all believers are agnostics...the fact that they need faith in order to believe proves this ??? How does that make any sense at all??? Please elaborate on that one. No, not all believers are agnostic. An agnostic person believes there is absolutely no way to prove or disprove there is a God. It's a person trying to play both sides of the coin. They think there might not be a God, but just to be safe, they don't totally deny there might be.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 05:44 AM
I know OF God because of the scriptures, but I KNOW God from my personal walk that I have had with him. Cowboy..if all you know of God are due to what you've read in the scripture...proves my point ....that all you know about God is what you read about in a book .....a personal walk is about knowing your spirit....it's nothing about meeting God beyond a book so why are you trying to deceive others that it is repent

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 05:48 AM
No lying or deception, just your taking things out of context. I never said I met him physically, now did I? No, I just said I have met and know him. Cowboy...claiming that you met Jesus when you didn't is called a lie...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:49 AM
I know OF God because of the scriptures, but I KNOW God from my personal walk that I have had with him. Cowboy..if all you know of God are due to what you've read in the scripture...proves my point ....that all you know about God is what you read about in a book .....a personal walk is about knowing your spirit....it's nothing about meeting God beyond a book so why are you trying to deceive others that it is repent Do you not listen intentionally? I don't know God from anything I read. I only know OF God from what I read. You can know of something/someone and not know them. Take history for instance, you can not possibly know someone in history. Take billy the kid for example. You could not possibly know billy, only know of him. That is why once again, reading in the bible you can only know OF God, but not know God personally. Not until you take the path he has laid out for us and come to him.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 06/11/12 05:51 AM
Neither one "makes" me sin. It's called free will. People make their own decisions on the choices/actions they do or don't do in life. There is no one to blame but one's own self. Yes I have given God my life, but that doesn't mean I don't make mistakes from time to time on the journey we call life. That's why God offers forgiveness, for he knows we'll make mistakes. And thus the reason one needs to repent. The words are in vein if asking for forgivness then turning around and doing it over and over and over. Cowboy....oh...so you didn't literally give your life over to Jesus ...I guess you guys never do

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:51 AM
No lying or deception, just your taking things out of context. I never said I met him physically, now did I? No, I just said I have met and know him. Cowboy...claiming that you met Jesus when you didn't is called a lie... Yes it would be a lie, if that was the case. But it's not the case, therefor not a lie lol. I walk with God every day.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 06/11/12 05:53 AM
Neither one "makes" me sin. It's called free will. People make their own decisions on the choices/actions they do or don't do in life. There is no one to blame but one's own self. Yes I have given God my life, but that doesn't mean I don't make mistakes from time to time on the journey we call life. That's why God offers forgiveness, for he knows we'll make mistakes. And thus the reason one needs to repent. The words are in vein if asking for forgivness then turning around and doing it over and over and over. Cowboy....oh...so you didn't literally give your life over to Jesus ...I guess you guys never do ??? Wow, you're really out in left field this morning. What are you talking about? I did give my life over to God, but I make mistakes along the road from time to time. What are you talking about this mornn'n funches?