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So I can use a candle to do magic as long as I'm healing them with no intention of receiving money or fame? But using candle magic to get money for my daughters's college education would be wrong. What if I did a candle spell for protection against a rapist on the loose in my neighborhood? You're asking me to make personal judgements about your life. That's not for me to do. "candle magic" to feed your family = good "candle magic" for money for colledge = for me, not good... For you? who knows... where did the money come from? was deception involved? extortion? was it for greed? However, I don't think you understand what I'm saying ultimately... You don't need candle magic, just have faith... |
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So I can use a candle to do magic as long as I'm healing them with no intention of receiving money or fame? But using candle magic to get money for my daughters's college education would be wrong. What if I did a candle spell for protection against a rapist on the loose in my neighborhood? You're asking me to make personal judgements about your life. That's not for me to do. "candle magic" to feed your family = good "candle magic" for money for colledge = for me, not good... For you? who knows... where did the money come from? was deception involved? extortion? was it for greed? However, I don't think you understand what I'm saying ultimately... You don't need candle magic, just have faith... Oh you completely misunderstood me. I am not asking you to make personal judgements about me and my practices at all. I have been a practicing witch for going on 10 years and I have no doubts about what I do. You made a lot of statements about magic and I was trying to understand your answers. Your answers are vague and sometimes contradict each other. So, I was offering YOU examples to comment on to clear up your position. Not because I need to clear up my position. Thank you for taking the time to offer your opinion for my article. |
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Edited by
Peter_Pan69
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Mon 04/30/12 05:16 PM
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So I can use a candle to do magic as long as I'm healing them with no intention of receiving money or fame? But using candle magic to get money for my daughters's college education would be wrong. What if I did a candle spell for protection against a rapist on the loose in my neighborhood? You're asking me to make personal judgements about your life. That's not for me to do. "candle magic" to feed your family = good "candle magic" for money for colledge = for me, not good... For you? who knows... where did the money come from? was deception involved? extortion? was it for greed? However, I don't think you understand what I'm saying ultimately... You don't need candle magic, just have faith... Oh you completely misunderstood me. I am not asking you to make personal judgements about me and my practices at all. I have been a practicing witch for going on 10 years and I have no doubts about what I do. You made a lot of statements about magic and I was trying to understand your answers. Your answers are vague and sometimes contradict each other. So, I was offering YOU examples to comment on to clear up your position. Not because I need to clear up my position. Thank you for taking the time to offer your opinion for my article. How was I vague? And how did I contradict myself? White magic = all humans have this ability. Black magic = the perversion of white for personal gain. |
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Mon 04/30/12 05:31 PM
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How was I vague? And how did I contradict myself? White magic = all humans have this ability. Black magic = the perversion of white for personal gain. How much more clear can he be? If you use magick to heal someone, that's good, unless you use rituals, then it might be dark based on your intention and the results. Black magic is when you use magic for personal gain, but using magic for personal gain isn't black magic. If you intentionally use magick to benefit yourself, it's black magick. If you unintentionally use magick, it's black magick. But you can use white magick, so long as you get written approval from peter pan beforehand. |
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How was I vague? And how did I contradict myself? White magic = all humans have this ability. Black magic = the perversion of white for personal gain. How much more clear can he be? If you use magick to heal someone, that's good, unless you use rituals, then it might be dark based on your intention and the results. Black magic is when you use magic for personal gain, but using magic for personal gain isn't black magic. If you intentionally use magick to benefit yourself, it's black magick. If you unintentionally use magick, it's black magick. But you can use white magick, so long as you get written approval from peter pan beforehand. 
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Omg I'm laughing so hard it hurts.
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Doubt is doubt. You get back 3-fold what you put out, correct? The use of "tools" is because one desires more power and isn't satisfied with their own abilities. It's a vicious, never-ending circle in my opinion. Ruth, you of all people should know what I mean, you have seen the effect it has on some people. |
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Edited by
Ruth34611
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Mon 04/30/12 06:49 PM
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Doubt is doubt. You get back 3-fold what you put out, correct? The use of "tools" is because one desires more power and isn't satisfied with their own abilities. It's a vicious, never-ending circle in my opinion. Ruth, you of all people should know what I mean, you have seen the effect it has on some people. If you are talking about who I think you are talking about....the desire for power did not bring him down. His own anger is his undoing. Using tools for magic is no different that using tools to build a home, operate on a person or cook dinner. Edit: I take that back. It wasn't anger. It was his burning hatred of Christianity. Hate will bring you down every time. |
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Doubt is doubt. You get back 3-fold what you put out, correct? The use of "tools" is because one desires more power and isn't satisfied with their own abilities. It's a vicious, never-ending circle in my opinion. Ruth, you of all people should know what I mean, you have seen the effect it has on some people. If you are talking about who I think you are talking about....the desire for power did not bring him down. His own anger is his undoing. Are you guys talking about Bruce Banner? |
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Doubt is doubt. You get back 3-fold what you put out, correct? No, I don't believe in a 3 fold law. That is something believed by most Wiccans. I am Catholic and have a pretty standard Christian belief system. |
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Doubt is doubt. You get back 3-fold what you put out, correct? The use of "tools" is because one desires more power and isn't satisfied with their own abilities. It's a vicious, never-ending circle in my opinion. Ruth, you of all people should know what I mean, you have seen the effect it has on some people. If you are talking about who I think you are talking about....the desire for power did not bring him down. His own anger is his undoing. Are you guys talking about Bruce Banner? Stop it! You're making me choke on my glass of water!
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Edited by
Ruth34611
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Mon 04/30/12 07:52 PM
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This young man does a very good job explaining the difference between left hand path and right hand path. I had not heard it put so succinctly before. This is more about the spiritual path than magic, but it still kind of applies here.
http://youtu.be/VzYFrhaj8fc This is from the website Leigh posted. |
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Doubt is doubt. You get back 3-fold what you put out, correct? The use of "tools" is because one desires more power and isn't satisfied with their own abilities. It's a vicious, never-ending circle in my opinion. Ruth, you of all people should know what I mean, you have seen the effect it has on some people. If you are talking about who I think you are talking about....the desire for power did not bring him down. His own anger is his undoing. Using tools for magic is no different that using tools to build a home, operate on a person or cook dinner. Edit: I take that back. It wasn't anger. It was his burning hatred of Christianity. Hate will bring you down every time. Not just him, everyone who has let pride and greed befall them. Tools are not good or bad, it's the intention that perverts magic. I see the use of tools in at least two different aspects. In a positive (imo) sense, as training wheels or as an act of desperation... In a negative sense, as a crutch or a stumbling block which can, and often does, lead to a darker path... |
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a catholic witch..?? bet that went down well...my family just ignores me as much as they can :-)
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a catholic witch..?? bet that went down well...my family just ignores me as much as they can :-) I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian home with a minister for a father. I think it bothered him more when I converted to Catholicism than when I began practicing witchcraft. 
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a catholic witch..?? bet that went down well...my family just ignores me as much as they can :-) I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian home with a minister for a father. I think it bothered him more when I converted to Catholicism than when I began practicing witchcraft.
LOL yeh i bet |
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Black magic comes across as nitpicky IMO. Someone who is out to hurt others because they get off on it would be bad. Someone out to hurt a person because that person hurt their family, less bad. Any number of ways, tools or no tools can be misused.
I consider myself gray. Mostly white, but no qualms going ''black'' to protect those in my sphere. But that's fairly common with shamanic practitioners. Especially those not practicing a sanitized version of shamanism. |
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i agree
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Black magic comes across as nitpicky IMO. Someone who is out to hurt others because they get off on it would be bad. Someone out to hurt a person because that person hurt their family, less bad. Any number of ways, tools or no tools can be misused. I consider myself gray. Mostly white, but no qualms going ''black'' to protect those in my sphere. But that's fairly common with shamanic practitioners. Especially those not practicing a sanitized version of shamanism. I don't count self defense (or defense of others) magic as "black". I have no problem doing banishing or binding magic on someone bothering me or my loved one. Here's where I've seen it get a bit tricky. I had a woman who wanted to do spell work to get her son to stop doing drugs. I feel that is interfering with someone's free will. She felt he was a danger to himself and she was just protecting him. What do you guys think? |
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I can pull a rabbit outta my hat.....in the dark!!!
Ummmm....... I think it was a rabbit!!! I'm guessin that ain't the same thing!!!! Oh Well!!!
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