Our creator (God) wants us to have abundance in our life and wants us to thrive with good health and wealth.

Using the law of attraction (or magic) in the right way will bring abundance. It is basically thinking positive. That is not "black magic" nor is doing magic "for personal gain" wrong, evil or black magic.

Stealing from others is considered wrong, but creating personal abundance is not wrong or black magic.

Read the book by Wallace D. Wattles. "The science of getting rich." The entire text of the book used to be on Wikipedia but apparently some idiot changed it and took it off. That's the downside to Wikipedia.

But you can read all the chapters to the book on my blog here:

http://bacaracka.com/bacablog/category/the-science-of-getting-rich-books/

The Science of Getting Rich is a book written by the New Thought Movement writer Wallace D. Wattles; it was published in 1910 by the Elizabeth Towne Company. The book is still in print after 100 years.

You laugh...

You were blinded to my actual words above.
I said:
"Black Magic: The perversion of White Magic for personal gain. Usually motivated by greed or ego. "

I think that you were so angered by my opinion of rituals and the like that you didn't or refused to see the word "perversion" in my post. Or perhaps it was my opinion of the consequences of dark magic... Whatever your feelings, these are my opinions...


Perversion occurs when doubt arises. In Biblical terms, it's all about "faith"...

I hate to break it to you, but I didn't read what you wrote about rituals. I quoted two pieces that didn't make sense. You claimed that magick is an innate ability and that it was wrong to use magick for personal gain. I didn't get "angered", that's all in your head.

I read the word perversion, that's not the problem.

Perhaps instead of trying to read my mind, you just deal with the words that I write? Do you think you can do that?

Where did I say that using white magic for personal gain made it black?

JB, I agree with your whole statement at the top of this page.

PP, so let me see if I understand what you are saying. Magic is good if it's a naturally occurring phenomenon such as deja vu, psychic abilities or the placebo effect.

If a person makes any actions to create magic, it is black. Is this right?

I'm also curious as to what your definition of magic is.

And maybe we should stick to one spelling for magic. I know I'm the biggest offender of this. But you put "magick" on quotes and no quotes for magic so I'm wondering what you think the difference is.

sorry Ruth, missed this earlier...


Hard to say, it would depend on my area. Any amount that couldn't be consumed by anyone person who wished to eat before the decay of the food would be excess.

I couldn't be a farmer, I don't believe that food should be bought or sold as a commodity. That would be akin to me charging people to breath my air or drink my water.

Do you believe that farmers should be slaves? How would a world work where food couldn't be paid for? I hate to break it to you, but make food free and you will starve billions to death.

Thank you! I'm looking forward to reading this tonight.

All magic is good. It's the intended use and motivation that makes it "dark".




No. It is the intention that makes it dark, greed and/or ego... Doubt in one's own abilty and the use or attempted use of an outside force makes it dark. Not keeping control of your powers 100% of the time makes it dark.





Hmmm, my definition would encompass a lot...

Basically any perception or alteration of physical reality or personal emotions/thoughts without the use of pysical and/or perceived means.




The difference was Spider's use of the word. It's all the same to me.

What is an "outside force"?

Would burning a candle while praying be black magic in your opinion?

So the intentional or unintentional use of magick makes it black magic. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Only if you think that the black candle helps...

Anger has clouded your mind again. I never said the use of magick makes it black.

Peter, I don't believe in magick. I am not angry, there is nothing for me to be angry about. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in your posts.

No you're not. You're pointing out the inconsistencies of your misrepresentations of my posts. Pay attention to what I actually write...

I see. So, it's the "tools" of magic that you feel are wrong, not the thoughts, visualizations or force of will that go along with it.

Yeah, basically. I feel the use of "tools" is to doubt (or perhaps be dissatified), in one's own ability. I feel that the powers that one wishes to control actually control that person whether or not those powers are real or just perceived to be real...

Also the intent...
Any intention to harm, control or deceive for personal gain would be considered "dark" to me. Healing a person so that they would "owe" you something or even just for fame would be dark in my eyes, with or without the use of tools.

Do I think that using tools to heal is "dark"? Maybe, but the outcome, if succesful, is the key, as well as the intent.

Do I think that "tools" are needed for healing? Absolutely not!

Judging, pride, impatience, arrogance and passive anger, i think we all have our issues. Some are just blind to their own. MEOUW

So I can use a candle to do magic as long as I'm healing them with no intention of receiving money or fame?

But using candle magic to get money for my daughters's college education would be wrong.

What if I did a candle spell for protection against a rapist on the loose in my neighborhood?