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Okay, then, yes. We are not using the same definition for Karma because I very much believe in the law of attraction. You call it the law of attraction and I call it magic. Either way, it works.

I think of Karma as a 'reward' and 'punishment' system set up by the Universe. And, I'm not really so sure I believe it exists.

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I think sometimes it actually works that way but there are ways to "escape karmic action." That is by using your will to change your vibrations or thoughts.

It is true that insurance companies list people who are unhappy, or going through a divorce a high risk for accidents. If you are going through life angry, fearful and stressed, more accidents will befall you. You will also attract those same energies.

But if you change your attention and attitude or mood, and change your thoughts, you will change your vibrations and you will change your "bad luck" or magic.

the Hindu's believe that definition of karma also, a generation of a "life force" that equals things out. A balance of things, not just good and bad, but all things are made equal in some way.

Then it's not really "Karma" in my book.

I agree with you about changing your vibrations and thoughts. But, if you can avoid Karma, then it's not really Karma the way I have learned about it.

Oh I didn't realize that you wrote a book about it.

I think the teachers of "karma" would have you believe that you can't escape it. Just like the teachers of Christianity would have you believe that you are a sinner.

Back to b magic/w magic. Satanists creed is 'do what thy will'. Wiccans creed is 'do what thy will, harm none'. To me this is black magic and white magic. Summoning is generally the domain of black magic.

...and Thelemites (followers of Aleister Crowley) go by the creed "Do what thou wilt".

Aleister Crowley said of black magic:



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What is your point, i couldn't find it?

Just adding my 1 2/3 cents.

karma is an expression of the dharma...karma is bound to the path we walk, and we are bound to it...one flows from the next....in this sense what is instructed in the west as karma is a judeo-christian amalgamation....

karma an be erased...this is how jesus healed people from seemingly impossible afflictions

Explain to me how Karma balances out a situation where a man rapes, tortures and murders 20 people. What can possibly happen in his life to even those scales?

Quotes by Crowley....very interesting. I had never read this before. It seems that he is saying that black magic is destructive the magician in the long run. I don't think Crowley was very concerned about behaving decently so he must have believed that anyone who practiced black magic would suffer some kind of consequences.

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But, that implies that the people Jesus healed were sick or afflicted due to Karma. Do you believe all illness is due to Karma?

I don't believe so. I think Jesus healed people and it had nothing to do with erasing karma.

I think that Crowley had a different definition of black magick from most people. He was involved in a lot of weird sex and drugs. He seems to feel that those things couldn't be considered black magick, it would be interesting to be able to nail him down on the subject, but he was a slippery guy.

Nothing. And, what did the 20 people do to deserve being raped, tortured and killed? Nothing.

This is why I don't believe in Karma. I believe there are consequences for our actions. But, there is no cosmic judge making sure everything is balanced. This world is very unbalanced and there is no evidence to me that karma exists.

True. I have never studied his stuff because of the fact that he was creepy. Still, I'm surprised that he had anything negative to say about any kind of black magic. Whatever he thought that might be.