Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt" (bio)

Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that 9/11 was an inside job. He also said:
"If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an old interceptor pilot—I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were, and I know what they’ve changed them to—if our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason!"
U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:

"there is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ... Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a 'conspiracy Theory' does not change the truth. It seems, 'Something is rotten in the State.' "
http://www.911summary.com/

I guess when someone makes up a story that "sounds like it makes sense", it is easy to assign truth to it even if it contains no truth at all.

In reality, hundreds of pilots lose contact with air traffic control for a number of reasons every day. Pilots fly with their transponders turned off ... or they turn them off ... or they stop working ... or they blow a fuze. Every single day these events happen including deviating from their flight plan which is totally legal (the pilot is in control legally) and rarely does an interceptor go "take a look" unless Air Force One or some similar event is involved.

If you actually flew a plane, you would realize how often more than one person tries to talk on a frequency at once (crosstalk) which means no one can hear anything till the crosstalk stops. You would also see how often someone forgets to take their finger off the transmit button or had a sticking transmit button.

No jets show up.

There are many people who doubt the official 911 report.

There are many who believe the official 911 report.

Then there are numerous people who have doubts but remain silent.

On here we have those who are certain of the official 911 report because they happen to be engineers.

Others cannot accept that their Government could possibly be complicit in killing American Citizens.


Where there is doubt there should be full transparency, to hell with the secrecy and classified information.

All Government Agencies failed and no one has been brought to book.,

The Video points out very clearly that those who express doubt are demonized ridiculed and pathologized and censored.

Shooting the messenger will never get to the truth.

In this case maybe the messenger needs to be shot because the truth would be unbearable.

Nobody can be certain unless all doors are open and total freedom of information is available.

There are many people who doubt the 911 report.

But no reputable scientists or engineers doubt the conclusion that
the WTC towers were brought down by Al-Qaeda in a radical Islamic
terrorist attack based on hard evidence.

The evidence of some other conspiracy or US Govt involvement? Nada.



There are also a lot of people who believe that dinosaurs coexisted
with modern day humans but that don't mean squat.

If you would have followed the link you would have seen this comeing. I will now make you better informed you can thank me later.

SCIENTISTS

A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed "does not match the available facts" and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition

A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America's highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:

"I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken."
The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable."

The principal electrical engineer for the entire World Trade Center complex, who was "very familiar with the structures and [the Twin Towers'] conceptual design parameters" (Richard F. Humenn), stated that "the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel . . . . the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down."

Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain A. Deets) says:

"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Centers on 9/11].''
A prominent physicist, former U.S. professor of physics from a top university, and a former principal investigator for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects (Dr. Steven E. Jones) stated that the world trade centers were brought down by controlled demolition

A U.S. physics professor who teaches at several universities (Dr. Crockett Grabbe) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition

An expert on demolition (Bent Lund) said that the trade centers were brought down with explosives (in Danish)

A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded

A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority (Dr. Heikki Kurttila) stated regarding WTC 7 that "The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."
A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university, with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member (Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn), is calling for a new investigation of 9/11

A Danish professor of chemistry (Dr. Niels Harrit) said, in a mainstream Danish newspaper, "WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building would have fallen in that direction. You don't have to be a woodcutter to grasp this" (translated)


A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers "were brought down by planted explosives."

A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the Northern California - Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward S. Munyak) believes that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition.

The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , does not believe the official story, and believes that there is a prima facie case for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center.


A professor of mathematics (Gary Welz) said "The official explanation that I've heard doesn't make sense because it doesn't explain why I heard and felt an explosion before the South Tower fell and why the concrete was pulverized"

STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)

Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)

Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California

Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California


Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England


Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia

Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado

David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland

Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California

Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona

David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)

Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage) disputes the claim that fire and airplane damage brought down the World Trade Centers and believes there is strong evidence of controlled demolition (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed here)

http://www.911summary.com/

I bet we could make an even longer and more impressive list of people that say otherwise. Especially if we are able to use people like biologists who don't really do structures or motion.

Who are we ?

Actors! We need to quote actors!!!

The reality is that there is NO EVIDENCE of demolition charges being used in the buildings.

There is EXTENSIVE PROOF of the plane and fuel bringing the buildings down.

The MATH and PHYSICS 100% back up the plane and fuel bringing the buildings down from forensic modeling, empirical modeling, predictive modeling, and evidence.

The MATH and PHYSICS 100% prohibit a demolition scenario.

ALL "Evidence" submitted by the "truthers" has been debunked to the infinite detail.

I deal with engineers on a daily basis structual,civil,MEP...etc.What i've seen and heard from the nontruthers side i lean towards them.Wow i believe nontruthers now thats irony

Thats what is so damn funny about it. The speed of the fall was as if nothing was there so if you do the math you will find that there was no resistance at all to the total collapse its absurd to suggest there would be no resistance at each floor.

You mean people like this?



The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation".

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.


9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."


9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"


Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".


9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest".

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."

http://www.911summary.com/



Oh no they are just conspiracy theorists and the guys who were charged with doing the 911 commision report.

You folks ever going to smell the coffee?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyrlcoKRjn0

I laughed out loud.

South Park did an episode on 9/11 conspiracies. I am pretty sure it exists in whole on youtube but I could only find parts. What is so incredibly funny is that the lines used in the show are EXACTLY the same lines used by the truthers here on Mingle.

Whatever the truthers do, they should not watch the episode of South Park in season ten titled "The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce".


But everyone else, you can't miss it. Here is the commentary by the writers which is only a few minutes long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBkI559oWLY

This episode has to be one of the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWBjqUGgvU&feature=related

As the plot thickens!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKQz5CO-1sI

Talk about psychology. I wonder what its called when someone who has no formal education in a given field acts as if they are an expert?

I wonder what its called when an expert decides to support crazy theories and cashes in on the conspiracy entertainment sector?

I wonder what its called when an expert decides to support crazy theories and cashes in on the conspiracy entertainment sector?

In this country that would be called entrepreneurship

One side quotes the 911 commisioners

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation".

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.


9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."


9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"


Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".


9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest".

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."

http://www.911summary.com/

The other side watches south park

Although it is possible to cite a long list of comments from various
scientists and engineers about the mechanics of the collapse or
about the about various aspects of the attack,

There are still no credible scientists or engineers who now dispute
that the attacks which brought down the WTC towers on 911 were the
result of radical Islamist members of Al-Qaeda who flew planes into
the building ultimately causing their collapse in a terrorist
attack.



Including the South Park fans.



All the wacky groundless conspiracy theories are exhaustively
debunked here:

http://www.debunking911.com/

Any real debate on this topic was concluded years ago.



Comments about misleading statements or incomplete investigation
or unexplained details do not alter the conclusions about Al-Qaeda
involvement or motivation or the nature of the attack and collapse
one iota. The groundless assertions that there was some shadowy
unsubstantiated involvement of outside parties is just a lot of
bluster and BS.

U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:

"there is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ... Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a 'conspiracy Theory' does not change the truth. It seems, 'Something is rotten in the State.' "
http://www.911summary.com/

Posting lies doesn't help your case and you have posted the above one before.

I ran your "engineer" list through the engineer database (three of them anyway) and they don't show up! That means they don't exist as engineers or they just don't exist. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the other states but I presume they are accurate (that is what the database is for) but I do know the Texas database is updated constantly. The engineer from Houston you listed does not exist. Please check this for yourself.

I never saw your post after you claimed the towers had two slabs per floor (you were going to mow the grass).

Should we just refer to you Cartman?