Community > Politics, Current News & Events

Topic: Psychologists help 9/11 truth deniers
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/11/12 10:28 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 05/11/12 10:30 AM
It Obviously falling? That's really funny. That is not what I see. If the beam is "just falling" what is causing it to fall? I don't see anything from above falling on top of it as in a "pancake collapse." And why the dust? It is steel and concrete. It has not hit the ground yet, so why would it turn to dust? That's ridiculous. I can see why you all have reached the wrong conclusions, you can't even believe your own eyes.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Fri 05/11/12 10:38 AM
It Obviously falling? That's really funny. That is not what I see. If the beam is "just falling" what is causing it to fall? I don't see anything from above falling on top of it as in a "pancake collapse." And why the dust? It is steel and concrete. It has not hit the ground yet, so why would it turn to dust? That's ridiculous. I can see why you all have reached the wrong conclusions, you can't even believe your own eyes. Honestly, your lack of understanding simple concepts is astounding. OK in the frustrated pictures we can see the building is collapsing. The beams supports are compromised thus it will fall. We can see there is dust in the first picture. As the building collapse the air that was in and around the building is forced out and upward. If you didn't know air has mass and 2 things can't occupy the same space at the same time. Dust is light and easily carried by the moving air. As the beam starts to fall air rushes in to occupy the space that was once taken by the beam. As we learned in middle school a gas will always occupy unoccupied space. As this air rushes in, it brings the dust and smoke with it.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/11/12 11:38 AM
That explanation is ridiculous. Even a professional controlled demolition does not produce that much dust.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/11/12 11:51 AM
When you look at the first picture, there is the beam. No dust. Then, as the beam falls, it falls because the stuff beneath it is turning to dust. It is not melting. It is not breaking up into chunks. There was inches of dust all over the streets of New York and very little rubble. Just dust. Dust in the wind. A lot of the finer particles went into the upper atmosphere. That does not ever happen -- in even a professional controlled demolition, and certainly not in a pancake collapse caused by a fire or a plane. It has never happened. The buildings turned to dust. There should have been stories high of rubble left over. There was only ab about 3%. Everything else was dust in the wind. This was a powerful high tech weapon of some kind. They are/were using this kind of weapon in Iraq too.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Fri 05/11/12 12:33 PM
It Obviously falling? That's really funny. That is not what I see. If the beam is "just falling" what is causing it to fall? I don't see anything from above falling on top of it as in a "pancake collapse." And why the dust? It is steel and concrete. It has not hit the ground yet, so why would it turn to dust? That's ridiculous. I can see why you all have reached the wrong conclusions, you can't even believe your own eyes. Honestly, your lack of understanding simple concepts is astounding. OK in the frustrated pictures we can see the building is collapsing. The beams supports are compromised thus it will fall. We can see there is dust in the first picture. As the building collapse the air that was in and around the building is forced out and upward. If you didn't know air has mass and 2 things can't occupy the same space at the same time. Dust is light and easily carried by the moving air. As the beam starts to fall air rushes in to occupy the space that was once taken by the beam. As we learned in middle school a gas will always occupy unoccupied space. As this air rushes in, it brings the dust and smoke with it.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Fri 05/11/12 12:46 PM
When you look at the first picture, there is the beam. No dust. Then, as the beam falls, it falls because the stuff beneath it is turning to dust. It is not melting. It is not breaking up into chunks. There was inches of dust all over the streets of New York and very little rubble. Just dust. Dust in the wind. A lot of the finer particles went into the upper atmosphere. That does not ever happen -- in even a professional controlled demolition, and certainly not in a pancake collapse caused by a fire or a plane. It has never happened. The buildings turned to dust. There should have been stories high of rubble left over. There was only ab about 3%. Everything else was dust in the wind. This was a powerful high tech weapon of some kind. They are/were using this kind of weapon in Iraq too. The conspiracy is no longer a theory.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Fri 05/11/12 02:46 PM
When you look at the first picture, there is the beam. No dust. Then, as the beam falls, it falls because the stuff beneath it is turning to dust. It is not melting. It is not breaking up into chunks. There was inches of dust all over the streets of New York and very little rubble. Just dust. Dust in the wind. A lot of the finer particles went into the upper atmosphere. That does not ever happen -- in even a professional controlled demolition, and certainly not in a pancake collapse caused by a fire or a plane. It has never happened. The buildings turned to dust. There should have been stories high of rubble left over. There was only ab about 3%. Everything else was dust in the wind. This was a powerful high tech weapon of some kind. They are/were using this kind of weapon in Iraq too. The conspiracy is no longer a theory. You are right. It is now fully debunked and no longer any kind of theory. From the Prison Planet (which is actually a truther site!) Monday, Nov 3, 2008 Some peripheral folks in the 9/11 truth movement claim that exotic high-energy weapons were used to bring down the Twin Towers. The overwhelming majority of credible scientists, engineers and others in the movement do not believe this. The proponents of the star wars weapons theory argue that video footage shows metal spires “turning to dust”, which they think proves that futuristic weapons were used. Many of us have pointed out that the spires actually fell down, and that dust from the pulverized concrete simply fell off the spires as they were falling, hiding the fact that the spires were falling and creating the visual illusion that the spires were “turning to dust”. This matter has now been settled. Specifically, the following newly-released video shows the spire collapse from a different angle. the video proves that the spires of the Twin Towers merely fell over: And look at the date on this website. You clowns have been claiming you have proof but you can't seem to find the proof that your claims are garbage.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/11/12 02:52 PM
When you look at the first picture, there is the beam. No dust. Then, as the beam falls, it falls because the stuff beneath it is turning to dust. It is not melting. It is not breaking up into chunks. There was inches of dust all over the streets of New York and very little rubble. Just dust. Dust in the wind. A lot of the finer particles went into the upper atmosphere. That does not ever happen -- in even a professional controlled demolition, and certainly not in a pancake collapse caused by a fire or a plane. It has never happened. The buildings turned to dust. There should have been stories high of rubble left over. There was only ab about 3%. Everything else was dust in the wind. This was a powerful high tech weapon of some kind. They are/were using this kind of weapon in Iraq too. The conspiracy is no longer a theory. You are right. It is now fully debunked and no longer any kind of theory. From the Prison Planet (which is actually a truther site!) Monday, Nov 3, 2008 Some peripheral folks in the 9/11 truth movement claim that exotic high-energy weapons were used to bring down the Twin Towers. The overwhelming majority of credible scientists, engineers and others in the movement do not believe this. The proponents of the star wars weapons theory argue that video footage shows metal spires “turning to dust”, which they think proves that futuristic weapons were used. Many of us have pointed out that the spires actually fell down, and that dust from the pulverized concrete simply fell off the spires as they were falling, hiding the fact that the spires were falling and creating the visual illusion that the spires were “turning to dust”. This matter has now been settled. Specifically, the following newly-released video shows the spire collapse from a different angle. the video proves that the spires of the Twin Towers merely fell over: And look at the date on this website. You clowns have been claiming you have proof but you can't seem to find the proof that your claims are garbage. That's just another opinion. There was not enough rubble left over to account for that theory. There was only about 3%. Not stories high piles of rubble that would have been there if what you say is true. They turned to dust. Also the finest particles of dust went high up into the atmosphere. That never happens in normal professional demolitions. Your explanation falls short. But of course you know that. You just don't want to believe it.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Fri 05/11/12 02:54 PM
When you look at the first picture, there is the beam. No dust. Then, as the beam falls, it falls because the stuff beneath it is turning to dust. It is not melting. It is not breaking up into chunks. There was inches of dust all over the streets of New York and very little rubble. Just dust. Dust in the wind. A lot of the finer particles went into the upper atmosphere. That does not ever happen -- in even a professional controlled demolition, and certainly not in a pancake collapse caused by a fire or a plane. It has never happened. The buildings turned to dust. There should have been stories high of rubble left over. There was only ab about 3%. Everything else was dust in the wind. This was a powerful high tech weapon of some kind. They are/were using this kind of weapon in Iraq too. The conspiracy is no longer a theory. You are right. It is now fully debunked and no longer any kind of theory. From the Prison Planet (which is actually a truther site!) Monday, Nov 3, 2008 Some peripheral folks in the 9/11 truth movement claim that exotic high-energy weapons were used to bring down the Twin Towers. The overwhelming majority of credible scientists, engineers and others in the movement do not believe this. The proponents of the star wars weapons theory argue that video footage shows metal spires “turning to dust”, which they think proves that futuristic weapons were used. Many of us have pointed out that the spires actually fell down, and that dust from the pulverized concrete simply fell off the spires as they were falling, hiding the fact that the spires were falling and creating the visual illusion that the spires were “turning to dust”. This matter has now been settled. Specifically, the following newly-released video shows the spire collapse from a different angle. the video proves that the spires of the Twin Towers merely fell over: And look at the date on this website. You clowns have been claiming you have proof but you can't seem to find the proof that your claims are garbage. That's just another opinion. There was not enough rubble left over to account for that theory. There was only about 3%. Not stories high piles of rubble that would have been there if what you say is true. They turned to dust. Also the finest particles of dust went high up into the atmosphere. That never happens in normal professional demolitions. Your explanation falls short. But of course you know that. You just don't want to believe it. like i have said before.. it's people with wild fantasies like this that make everything you say less credible.. and you seem to want to spread these fantasies as much as you can. thats why no one will ever believe you...

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/11/12 02:54 PM
I am sure there are many different theories of 9/11 and I am sure that not all "truthers" agree on any one theory. That does not make the official government theory any more credible. It is not the "default" theory which some seem to think.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/11/12 03:03 PM
When you look at the first picture, there is the beam. No dust. Then, as the beam falls, it falls because the stuff beneath it is turning to dust. It is not melting. It is not breaking up into chunks. There was inches of dust all over the streets of New York and very little rubble. Just dust. Dust in the wind. A lot of the finer particles went into the upper atmosphere. That does not ever happen -- in even a professional controlled demolition, and certainly not in a pancake collapse caused by a fire or a plane. It has never happened. The buildings turned to dust. There should have been stories high of rubble left over. There was only ab about 3%. Everything else was dust in the wind. This was a powerful high tech weapon of some kind. They are/were using this kind of weapon in Iraq too. The conspiracy is no longer a theory. You are right. It is now fully debunked and no longer any kind of theory. From the Prison Planet (which is actually a truther site!) Monday, Nov 3, 2008 Some peripheral folks in the 9/11 truth movement claim that exotic high-energy weapons were used to bring down the Twin Towers. The overwhelming majority of credible scientists, engineers and others in the movement do not believe this. The proponents of the star wars weapons theory argue that video footage shows metal spires “turning to dust”, which they think proves that futuristic weapons were used. Many of us have pointed out that the spires actually fell down, and that dust from the pulverized concrete simply fell off the spires as they were falling, hiding the fact that the spires were falling and creating the visual illusion that the spires were “turning to dust”. This matter has now been settled. Specifically, the following newly-released video shows the spire collapse from a different angle. the video proves that the spires of the Twin Towers merely fell over: And look at the date on this website. You clowns have been claiming you have proof but you can't seem to find the proof that your claims are garbage. That's just another opinion. There was not enough rubble left over to account for that theory. There was only about 3%. Not stories high piles of rubble that would have been there if what you say is true. They turned to dust. Also the finest particles of dust went high up into the atmosphere. That never happens in normal professional demolitions. Your explanation falls short. But of course you know that. You just don't want to believe it. like i have said before.. it's people with wild fantasies like this that make everything you say less credible.. and you seem to want to spread these fantasies as much as you can. thats why no one will ever believe you... Mightymoe there are many people who agree with me, that the official story of 9/11 is B.S and false. There are also many people who agree with what I believe may have happened. I am not out to convince everyone. I know that is not possible. I think people just need to be less trusting of their elected leaders. Look how many people through their support behind Hitler and love and trusted him. Do you honestly think it can't happen here?

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 05/26/12 02:17 PM
When you look at the first picture, there is the beam. No dust. Then, as the beam falls, it falls because the stuff beneath it is turning to dust. It is not melting. It is not breaking up into chunks. There was inches of dust all over the streets of New York and very little rubble. Just dust. Dust in the wind. A lot of the finer particles went into the upper atmosphere. That does not ever happen -- in even a professional controlled demolition, and certainly not in a pancake collapse caused by a fire or a plane. It has never happened. The buildings turned to dust. There should have been stories high of rubble left over. There was only ab about 3%. Everything else was dust in the wind. This was a powerful high tech weapon of some kind. They are/were using this kind of weapon in Iraq too. The conspiracy is no longer a theory. You are right. It is now fully debunked and no longer any kind of theory. From the Prison Planet (which is actually a truther site!) Monday, Nov 3, 2008 Some peripheral folks in the 9/11 truth movement claim that exotic high-energy weapons were used to bring down the Twin Towers. The overwhelming majority of credible scientists, engineers and others in the movement do not believe this. The proponents of the star wars weapons theory argue that video footage shows metal spires “turning to dust”, which they think proves that futuristic weapons were used. Many of us have pointed out that the spires actually fell down, and that dust from the pulverized concrete simply fell off the spires as they were falling, hiding the fact that the spires were falling and creating the visual illusion that the spires were “turning to dust”. This matter has now been settled. Specifically, the following newly-released video shows the spire collapse from a different angle. the video proves that the spires of the Twin Towers merely fell over: And look at the date on this website. You clowns have been claiming you have proof but you can't seem to find the proof that your claims are garbage. That's just another opinion. There was not enough rubble left over to account for that theory. There was only about 3%. Not stories high piles of rubble that would have been there if what you say is true. They turned to dust. Also the finest particles of dust went high up into the atmosphere. That never happens in normal professional demolitions. Your explanation falls short. But of course you know that. You just don't want to believe it. like i have said before.. it's people with wild fantasies like this that make everything you say less credible.. and you seem to want to spread these fantasies as much as you can. thats why no one will ever believe you... Mightymoe there are many people who agree with me, that the official story of 9/11 is B.S and false. There are also many people who agree with what I believe may have happened. I am not out to convince everyone. I know that is not possible. I think people just need to be less trusting of their elected leaders. Look how many people through their support behind Hitler and love and trusted him. Do you honestly think it can't happen here? Great points JB

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 05/26/12 03:40 PM
When you look at the first picture, there is the beam. No dust. Then, as the beam falls, it falls because the stuff beneath it is turning to dust. It is not melting. It is not breaking up into chunks. There was inches of dust all over the streets of New York and very little rubble. Just dust. Dust in the wind. A lot of the finer particles went into the upper atmosphere. That does not ever happen -- in even a professional controlled demolition, and certainly not in a pancake collapse caused by a fire or a plane. It has never happened. The buildings turned to dust. There should have been stories high of rubble left over. There was only ab about 3%. Everything else was dust in the wind. This was a powerful high tech weapon of some kind. They are/were using this kind of weapon in Iraq too. The conspiracy is no longer a theory. You are right. It is now fully debunked and no longer any kind of theory. From the Prison Planet (which is actually a truther site!) Monday, Nov 3, 2008 Some peripheral folks in the 9/11 truth movement claim that exotic high-energy weapons were used to bring down the Twin Towers. The overwhelming majority of credible scientists, engineers and others in the movement do not believe this. The proponents of the star wars weapons theory argue that video footage shows metal spires “turning to dust”, which they think proves that futuristic weapons were used. Many of us have pointed out that the spires actually fell down, and that dust from the pulverized concrete simply fell off the spires as they were falling, hiding the fact that the spires were falling and creating the visual illusion that the spires were “turning to dust”. This matter has now been settled. Specifically, the following newly-released video shows the spire collapse from a different angle. the video proves that the spires of the Twin Towers merely fell over: And look at the date on this website. You clowns have been claiming you have proof but you can't seem to find the proof that your claims are garbage. That's just another opinion. There was not enough rubble left over to account for that theory. There was only about 3%. Not stories high piles of rubble that would have been there if what you say is true. They turned to dust. Also the finest particles of dust went high up into the atmosphere. That never happens in normal professional demolitions. Your explanation falls short. But of course you know that. You just don't want to believe it. like i have said before.. it's people with wild fantasies like this that make everything you say less credible.. and you seem to want to spread these fantasies as much as you can. thats why no one will ever believe you... Mightymoe there are many people who agree with me, that the official story of 9/11 is B.S and false. There are also many people who agree with what I believe may have happened. I am not out to convince everyone. I know that is not possible. I think people just need to be less trusting of their elected leaders. Look how many people through their support behind Hitler and love and trusted him. Do you honestly think it can't happen here? i think you are right, and i never doubted that it could happen here... as a matter of fact, i think it is happening right now. but when you post such rubbish as the metal turning to dust, and melted engine blocks, and other fantasies like these, how is anyone supposed to take you seriously? maybe you should concentrate less on 9-11 fantasies and look at what going on in our government now. some things are happening that are making bush look like a saint.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 05/26/12 06:43 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 05/26/12 06:44 PM
Why do you keep saying that the metal turning to dust is a "fantasy?" If the 110 story tall tower really collapsed in a pancake fashion one story on top of another story, there should have been a 7 story tall pile of rubble and twisted steel at the base. There was not. However, if... ...If you can show me any pictures of people loading trucks with all this rubble and steel beams and trucking it away from the site I will consider your theory. It would have to have been many trucks. But there was no rubble and no large pile of melted twisted steel beams. So...what happened to the building? What happened to all of the contents of the building?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 05/26/12 06:55 PM
If you could go back into history just 50 years and show someone the technology that we have available to us today, they would call that "impossible." They would call that "fantasy." I am saying that I believe it is extremely possible that we(they) have today, a hidden and advanced technology that is 50 years ahead of what is actually being used and revealed to the general public, to include the normal scientific community. Why do you think for years there have been so much Top secret, above top secret and classified material? I believe that it is possible that advanced top secret technology exists today that can blow a building like the twin towers to bits and turn it to dust. Yes, it seems impossible. It seems like "fantasy." But its not. We have seen it with our own eyes. Most people just refuse to believe it.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Sat 05/26/12 07:09 PM
If you could go back into history just 50 years and show someone the technology that we have available to us today, they would call that "impossible." They would call that "fantasy." I am saying that I believe it is extremely possible that we(they) have today, a hidden and advanced technology that is 50 years ahead of what is actually being used and revealed to the general public, to include the normal scientific community. Why do you think for years there have been so much Top secret, above top secret and classified material? I believe that it is possible that advanced top secret technology exists today that can blow a building like the twin towers to bits and turn it to dust. Yes, it seems impossible. It seems like "fantasy." But its not. We have seen it with our own eyes. Most people just refuse to believe it. Right, and photos from a different angle show the steel just falling to the ground. You just glide right past this fact. Note "fact" not opinion.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sat 05/26/12 07:48 PM
It's not that I don't care it's just;

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 05/26/12 08:03 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 05/26/12 08:04 PM
If you could go back into history just 50 years and show someone the technology that we have available to us today, they would call that "impossible." They would call that "fantasy." I am saying that I believe it is extremely possible that we(they) have today, a hidden and advanced technology that is 50 years ahead of what is actually being used and revealed to the general public, to include the normal scientific community. Why do you think for years there have been so much Top secret, above top secret and classified material? I believe that it is possible that advanced top secret technology exists today that can blow a building like the twin towers to bits and turn it to dust. Yes, it seems impossible. It seems like "fantasy." But its not. We have seen it with our own eyes. Most people just refuse to believe it. Right, and photos from a different angle show the steel just falling to the ground. You just glide right past this fact. Note "fact" not opinion. I have probably looked at all of the pictures you have seen. The steel never made it to the ground. I see on video the steel turning to dust. There is not enough steel on the ground to account for 110 stories. So show me some pictures of trucks being loaded with all of this steel and show me some trucks hauling away all this steel and rubble. There were lots of pictures taken after 9/11. There was not enough debris and I have not seen any pictures of any trucks being loaded with steel beams.