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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe - part 3
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Fri 03/30/12 04:26 PM


I answered.


well i wish you answer if Jesus and God are seperate beings and Jesus is Lord GOd as you claim

then why isn't God and Lord God both mention in Genesis 1:1

and why isn't both God and Lord God mention in Genesis 2:4


I may have to start another thread called "Questions false gospelers refuse to answer"

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Fri 03/30/12 08:53 PM



I answered.


well i wish you answer if Jesus and God are seperate beings and Jesus is Lord GOd as you claim

then why isn't God and Lord God both mention in Genesis 1:1

and why isn't both God and Lord God mention in Genesis 2:4


I may have to start another thread called "Questions false gospelers refuse to answer"


Ok to answer your question here.

It doesn't mention both because there is no need. "God" could be referring to all three or just the Father, Depending on the context. But when it speaks of JUST Jesus, it says LORD God.

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Sat 03/31/12 07:15 AM
Edited by funches on Sat 03/31/12 07:39 AM




I answered.


well i wish you answer if Jesus and God are seperate beings and Jesus is Lord GOd as you claim

then why isn't God and Lord God both mention in Genesis 1:1

and why isn't both God and Lord God mention in Genesis 2:4


I may have to start another thread called "Questions false gospelers refuse to answer"


Ok to answer your question here.

It doesn't mention both because there is no need. "God" could be referring to all three or just the Father, Depending on the context. But when it speaks of JUST Jesus, it says LORD God.


isn't The Father the Creator?

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Sat 03/31/12 08:50 AM





I answered.


well i wish you answer if Jesus and God are seperate beings and Jesus is Lord GOd as you claim

then why isn't God and Lord God both mention in Genesis 1:1

and why isn't both God and Lord God mention in Genesis 2:4


I may have to start another thread called "Questions false gospelers refuse to answer"


Ok to answer your question here.

It doesn't mention both because there is no need. "God" could be referring to all three or just the Father, Depending on the context. But when it speaks of JUST Jesus, it says LORD God.


isn't The Father the Creator?


He made it possible for the creation yes. And the normal "Christianity" places God the Father as the creator. But if we look at exactly what the scriptures say it was LORD God that physically created the Earth and Heavens. But again, only made possible through God the Father.


Genesis 2:4
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

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Sat 03/31/12 09:40 AM

He made it possible for the creation yes. And the normal "Christianity" places God the Father as the creator.


if The Father is The Creator as you just claimed, then he is the God referred to in Genesis 1:1 that Created The Heavens and THe Earth and The Lord God referred to in Genesis 2:4

Lord God became his "Title" after Man was created

if the Father is supposedly this perfect God that "needs" for naught....then what would he "need" Jesus for


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Sat 03/31/12 09:47 AM


He made it possible for the creation yes. And the normal "Christianity" places God the Father as the creator.


if The Father is The Creator as you just claimed, then he is the God referred to in Genesis 1:1 that Created The Heavens and THe Earth and The Lord God referred to in Genesis 2:4

Lord God became his "Title" after Man was created

if the Father is supposedly this perfect God that "needs" for naught....then what would he "need" Jesus for




I never claimed that. I said God the Father created the POSSIBILITY of creation. Jesus our LORD is whom created the Heavens and World. And no, "LORD" didn't come into the picture after man was created.

Genesis 2:4
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Notice LORD is used here.
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7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man wasn't created till here.
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And nothing was created in Genesis 1:1. That is the subject of what is to come in the scriptures.

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


And yes "God" created the Heavens and Earth. Jesus would be included in the "God". When it refers to LORD God, that means ONLY our LORD God did whatever is in question.

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Sat 03/31/12 10:01 AM

I never claimed that. I said God the Father created the POSSIBILITY of creation. Jesus our LORD is whom created the Heavens and World. And no, "LORD" didn't come into the picture after man was created.


The Father is either the Creator or he is not...

so...er...is he?


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Sat 03/31/12 10:24 AM


I never claimed that. I said God the Father created the POSSIBILITY of creation. Jesus our LORD is whom created the Heavens and World. And no, "LORD" didn't come into the picture after man was created.


The Father is either the Creator or he is not...

so...er...is he?




Genesis 2:4
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

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Sat 03/31/12 10:53 AM



I never claimed that. I said God the Father created the POSSIBILITY of creation. Jesus our LORD is whom created the Heavens and World. And no, "LORD" didn't come into the picture after man was created.


The Father is either the Creator or he is not...

so...er...is he?




Genesis 2:4
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,


Christians claim that The Father is the Creator ..but your posts and the passages you keep presenting seem vague.... so I'm asking you for the record.....is The Father the Creator? ...it's a simple yes or no question


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Sat 03/31/12 11:09 AM




I never claimed that. I said God the Father created the POSSIBILITY of creation. Jesus our LORD is whom created the Heavens and World. And no, "LORD" didn't come into the picture after man was created.


The Father is either the Creator or he is not...

so...er...is he?




Genesis 2:4
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,


Christians claim that The Father is the Creator ..but your posts and the passages you keep presenting seem vague.... so I'm asking you for the record.....is The Father the Creator? ...it's a simple yes or no question




not vague, tells exactly who

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Sat 03/31/12 11:11 AM





I never claimed that. I said God the Father created the POSSIBILITY of creation. Jesus our LORD is whom created the Heavens and World. And no, "LORD" didn't come into the picture after man was created.


The Father is either the Creator or he is not...

so...er...is he?




Genesis 2:4
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,


Christians claim that The Father is the Creator ..but your posts and the passages you keep presenting seem vague.... so I'm asking you for the record.....is The Father the Creator? ...it's a simple yes or no question




not vague, tells exactly who


And speaking of the "Father", this would explain why Jesus never referred to us as brothers and sisters to Jesus Christ, why Jesus only ever said "HIS" father and not "our" father.

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Sat 03/31/12 11:45 AM
Cowboy you do realize that Jesus is a story takin from Horus who was placed in the virgin Isis.This is why i don't understand why people act like he existed.

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Sat 03/31/12 11:52 AM

Cowboy you do realize that Jesus is a story takin from Horus who was placed in the virgin Isis.This is why i don't understand why people act like he existed.


The things said about Jesus is history. Not a bed time story, it is something that happened. If you choose to place you faith in that it never happened and is just stolen stories, that is by all means your choice.

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Sat 03/31/12 12:08 PM


Cowboy you do realize that Jesus is a story takin from Horus who was placed in the virgin Isis.This is why i don't understand why people act like he existed.


The things said about Jesus is history. Not a bed time story, it is something that happened. If you choose to place you faith in that it never happened and is just stolen stories, that is by all means your choice.
i was joking about the horus thing,but why do you put so much into a man you never met and the only thing you have is faith.Do people really believe there has to be a afterlife when there actually is no evidence of it.

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Sat 03/31/12 12:13 PM



Cowboy you do realize that Jesus is a story takin from Horus who was placed in the virgin Isis.This is why i don't understand why people act like he existed.


The things said about Jesus is history. Not a bed time story, it is something that happened. If you choose to place you faith in that it never happened and is just stolen stories, that is by all means your choice.
i was joking about the horus thing,but why do you put so much into a man you never met and the only thing you have is faith.Do people really believe there has to be a afterlife when there actually is no evidence of it.


There is plenty of evidence for it. The scriptures for instance. It's the own person's choice to give merit to the evidence or not. Just as in a court room. If evidence is shown to the judge say about a murder. This evidence doesn't PROVE nothing. It is still the judges choice to give merit to the evidence or not. Same can be said about the scriptures, it is one's own personal choice to give merit to the evidence we have or not.

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Sat 03/31/12 12:17 PM




Cowboy you do realize that Jesus is a story takin from Horus who was placed in the virgin Isis.This is why i don't understand why people act like he existed.


The things said about Jesus is history. Not a bed time story, it is something that happened. If you choose to place you faith in that it never happened and is just stolen stories, that is by all means your choice.
i was joking about the horus thing,but why do you put so much into a man you never met and the only thing you have is faith.Do people really believe there has to be a afterlife when there actually is no evidence of it.


There is plenty of evidence for it. The scriptures for instance. It's the own person's choice to give merit to the evidence or not. Just as in a court room. If evidence is shown to the judge say about a murder. This evidence doesn't PROVE nothing. It is still the judges choice to give merit to the evidence or not. Same can be said about the scriptures, it is one's own personal choice to give merit to the evidence we have or not.
But why do you worship Jesus so much if theres only a 50/50 chance he existed?I mean the only thing you have to go buy is 2,000 year old scriptures,matter of fact i take alot of ancient history with a grain of salt.

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Sat 03/31/12 12:24 PM





Cowboy you do realize that Jesus is a story takin from Horus who was placed in the virgin Isis.This is why i don't understand why people act like he existed.


The things said about Jesus is history. Not a bed time story, it is something that happened. If you choose to place you faith in that it never happened and is just stolen stories, that is by all means your choice.
i was joking about the horus thing,but why do you put so much into a man you never met and the only thing you have is faith.Do people really believe there has to be a afterlife when there actually is no evidence of it.


There is plenty of evidence for it. The scriptures for instance. It's the own person's choice to give merit to the evidence or not. Just as in a court room. If evidence is shown to the judge say about a murder. This evidence doesn't PROVE nothing. It is still the judges choice to give merit to the evidence or not. Same can be said about the scriptures, it is one's own personal choice to give merit to the evidence we have or not.
But why do you worship Jesus so much if theres only a 50/50 chance he existed?I mean the only thing you have to go buy is 2,000 year old scriptures,matter of fact i take alot of ancient history with a grain of salt.


Because I gave him the chance, and he has revealed himself. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

I read the scriptures, then applied what I learned. And found the results to be the same as the scriptures said it would be.

Walking with Jesus is more then just knowledge and general learning of the scriptures. It's a daily walk applying and listening.

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Sat 03/31/12 12:25 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sat 03/31/12 12:26 PM






Cowboy you do realize that Jesus is a story takin from Horus who was placed in the virgin Isis.This is why i don't understand why people act like he existed.


The things said about Jesus is history. Not a bed time story, it is something that happened. If you choose to place you faith in that it never happened and is just stolen stories, that is by all means your choice.
i was joking about the horus thing,but why do you put so much into a man you never met and the only thing you have is faith.Do people really believe there has to be a afterlife when there actually is no evidence of it.


There is plenty of evidence for it. The scriptures for instance. It's the own person's choice to give merit to the evidence or not. Just as in a court room. If evidence is shown to the judge say about a murder. This evidence doesn't PROVE nothing. It is still the judges choice to give merit to the evidence or not. Same can be said about the scriptures, it is one's own personal choice to give merit to the evidence we have or not.
But why do you worship Jesus so much if theres only a 50/50 chance he existed?I mean the only thing you have to go buy is 2,000 year old scriptures,matter of fact i take alot of ancient history with a grain of salt.


Because I gave him the chance, and he has revealed himself. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

I read the scriptures, then applied what I learned. And found the results to be the same as the scriptures said it would be.

Walking with Jesus is more then just knowledge and general learning of the scriptures. It's a daily walk applying and listening.


And your comment about 50/50, most to EVERYTHING is 50/50. It either will or it won't. There is nothing in this world but God that is constant, thus again science changes as new discoveries are found, ect.

It's not that it's "stagnant". It's that it's constant and everlasting.

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Sat 03/31/12 12:28 PM





I never claimed that. I said God the Father created the POSSIBILITY of creation. Jesus our LORD is whom created the Heavens and World. And no, "LORD" didn't come into the picture after man was created.


The Father is either the Creator or he is not...

so...er...is he?




Genesis 2:4
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,


Christians claim that The Father is the Creator ..but your posts and the passages you keep presenting seem vague.... so I'm asking you for the record.....is The Father the Creator? ...it's a simple yes or no question




not vague, tells exactly who


since no Christian would dare place anyone above the Father as being The Creator....then your answer has to be yes ...unless of course you're not a Christian

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Sat 03/31/12 12:31 PM






I never claimed that. I said God the Father created the POSSIBILITY of creation. Jesus our LORD is whom created the Heavens and World. And no, "LORD" didn't come into the picture after man was created.


The Father is either the Creator or he is not...

so...er...is he?




Genesis 2:4
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,


Christians claim that The Father is the Creator ..but your posts and the passages you keep presenting seem vague.... so I'm asking you for the record.....is The Father the Creator? ...it's a simple yes or no question




not vague, tells exactly who


since no Christian would dare place anyone above the Father as being The Creator....then your answer has to be yes ...unless of course you're not a Christian


Give it any title you wish to give. I am a child of Christ, again call that what you wish.

And no one's placing anyone over the Father, only through the Father is anything possible, weather he physically did it or not, only because of him is it possible in the first place.

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