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Exactly. The only purpose of it is thought control, oppression and striping people of their rights. My sentiments exactly. This makes me very sad. Ditto. I work for local city government. I have for most of my adult life. At different times I have worn a pentacle pendant, a crucifix, various Saint images, etc. And, I am very much in the public eye as I reguarly go out and do presentations to the public for the city. My employer has never had a problem with it. They've never mentioned it at all. Nor have any of the citizens who see me on TV and in person in public places discussing city business. It was never an issue. No one really gave a rats azz about it. Nor did I care about others wearing Star of David, Thor hammers or whatever else they wore. Damn I didn't know you were on TV and chit. You must be like a movie star or something. I don't ever remember seeing your azz on TV or anything. Maybe I did and just didn't realize it was yours..... 
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Fri 03/16/12 01:53 PM
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I may be wrong, but here in the US I believe this would be protected under the first amendment.
A personal item worn on a government employee such as a necklace is not the same as the government sponsoring religion. Free speech, free expression! |
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I may be wrong, but here in the US I believe this would be protected under the first amendment. A personal item worn on a government employee such as a necklace is not the same as the government sponsoring religion. Free speech, free expression! no you are correct. I don't know how it is in the UK....but the first amendment is Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights#amendmenti But then again...I think our government pretty much does what they want and write amendments in with blue crayon |
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Edited by
RKISIT
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Fri 03/16/12 01:59 PM
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if you wore a cross and the star of david on your necklace then prayed to the west would that make you a Muschristew?
hey i made a new word to cover all three Abrahamic religions,people who follow it are now known as Muschristew MUS-kre-stoo |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Fri 03/16/12 02:06 PM
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But then again...I think our government pretty much does what they want and write amendments in with blue crayon 100% correct. Currently laws can be unconstitutional, you can be prosecuted and jailed, and your only recourse is to sue. Some system we have huh? -------------- RKISIT-- I dont know I like Christjewlim better myself. Seems to roll off the tongue better. |
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@ Billy...kinda messed up huh? I wonder if I write amendments in green crayon (go Irish!) if they would override the blue crayon?
@ RKISIT...  clever. That reminds me of the movie "The Mummy: when the guy is reaching for every symbol around his neck to ward off the mummy Ya know...I'm offended by pearls. They take them from those poor little oysters. I move to ban pearls from the schools! 
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Damn I didn't know you were on TV and chit. You must be like a movie star or something. I don't ever remember seeing your azz on TV or anything. Maybe I did and just didn't realize it was yours..... I try and keep my azz off the screen. But my face (and neckline with religious jewelry) is on local news and talk shows about 4 times a year. I hate it because the camera adds 50 pounds. |
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http://www.adl.org/religious_freedom/resource_kit/religion_workplace.asp According the Anti-Defamation League, employers cannot forbid the wearing of religious jewelry or have appearance rules that violate one's religious beliefs without there being a good reason such as safety. I found nothing on Denver, Colorado government employees having such a rule. So, unless you can show me some proof of your statement that Denver, Colorado employees were forbidden from such expressions of their religion, I'm going to have to say I don't believe you. I am certainly open to seeing evidence to the contrary. You have the right to believe whatever you want. Doesn't make you correct. I did work there. |
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http://www.adl.org/religious_freedom/resource_kit/religion_workplace.asp According the Anti-Defamation League, employers cannot forbid the wearing of religious jewelry or have appearance rules that violate one's religious beliefs without there being a good reason such as safety. I found nothing on Denver, Colorado government employees having such a rule. So, unless you can show me some proof of your statement that Denver, Colorado employees were forbidden from such expressions of their religion, I'm going to have to say I don't believe you. I am certainly open to seeing evidence to the contrary. You have the right to believe whatever you want. Doesn't make you correct. I did work there. i think she is correct. i've never heard of our government suppressing anyones religion... |
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Personally I don't care what people wear but when they are a representative of the government they need to have respect for all religions and show no favor to any one. Which isn't happening as it should be in all areas yet.
I know, we have a long way to go to get it out of government as it should have been done from the get. I am one who works at it all the time. Voting and petitions. Phone calls and letters. |
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http://www.adl.org/religious_freedom/resource_kit/religion_workplace.asp According the Anti-Defamation League, employers cannot forbid the wearing of religious jewelry or have appearance rules that violate one's religious beliefs without there being a good reason such as safety. I found nothing on Denver, Colorado government employees having such a rule. So, unless you can show me some proof of your statement that Denver, Colorado employees were forbidden from such expressions of their religion, I'm going to have to say I don't believe you. I am certainly open to seeing evidence to the contrary. You have the right to believe whatever you want. Doesn't make you correct. I did work there. i think she is correct. i've never heard of our government suppressing anyones religion... You too have the right to believe what you want. I did work there. |
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Personally I don't care what people wear but when they are a representative of the government they need to have respect for all religions and show no favor to any one. Which isn't happening as it should be in all areas yet. I know, we have a long way to go to get it out of government as it should have been done from the get. I am one who works at it all the time. Voting and petitions. Phone calls and letters. BUT you are missing that where you worked...they allowed pagan jewelry. It has to be equal for all! Not to mention the first amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights#amendmenti If a company (not government) wants to enforce this, then they should do it for all. It would be the same if they allowed crosses but not other religious belief symbols. I respect everyone's right to their beliefs. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it, believe it or even like it....but I will respect that it is their beliefs and I will support their right |
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http://www.adl.org/religious_freedom/resource_kit/religion_workplace.asp According the Anti-Defamation League, employers cannot forbid the wearing of religious jewelry or have appearance rules that violate one's religious beliefs without there being a good reason such as safety. Of course people can believe what they want. This particular source is saying that they can's tell them they can't wear religious jewelry. Any government agency that does forbid it (according to this) is in violation...not to mention the 1st amendment |
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Edited by
RKISIT
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Fri 03/16/12 03:46 PM
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So then it would be ok for me to go to a Bar Mitzvah wearing a shirt with I HATE JESUS CHRIST KILLERS on it?
My point is where do you draw the line? |
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So then it would be ok for me to go to a Bar Mitzvah wearing a shirt with I HATE JESUS CHRIST KILLERS on it? My point is where do you draw the line? I wouldn't recommend it. |
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I did work there. We believe that you worked there. |
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Since some people don't read my posts correctly I will reiterate one point.
The wiccan jewelry that was seen on my job had healing powers to it so it was seen as medicinal not religious. So point is moot there. |
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So then it would be ok for me to go to a Bar Mitzvah wearing a shirt with I HATE JESUS CHRIST KILLERS on it? My point is where do you draw the line? No, because the party is on private property and you would be tresspassing if you had not been invited. You could, however, stand outside wearing the T-shirt, assuming you were not blocking traffic. |
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I did work there. We believe that you worked there. LOL well I guess I don't have a reason to lie about that??? LOL |
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Since some people don't read my posts correctly I will reiterate one point. The wiccan jewelry that was seen on my job had healing powers to it so it was seen as medicinal not religious. So point is moot there. Some people claim that the crucifix has healing powers too...or images of saints have healing powers. There isn't medical proof that any of the symbols have healing powers. Just belief and opinions Just because someone says it does, doesn't make it so Otherwise people could say anything has healing powers. Should be equal across the board |
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