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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe - part 2
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Mon 03/19/12 07:03 PM




But yet there is still just one God. For again "god" means authority. Even though we are the gods of this planet in comparison to say the animals, we still have a god over us eg., an authority over us. Thus Jesus, our God. So there is still just one God to us, Jesus. And Jesus has an authority over him, his father. Is the reason he referred to his father as "God" eg., my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me.



Cowboy, unless you believe in the "trinty" concept, placing Jesus as "our God" breaks the commandment of thou shalt not have any gods before me...



EXACTLY !!!!


Not breaking any commandments. What commandment am I breaking?


You do realize Jesus was the one that said "you shall have no other gods before me" right?

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Mon 03/19/12 07:13 PM





But yet there is still just one God. For again "god" means authority. Even though we are the gods of this planet in comparison to say the animals, we still have a god over us eg., an authority over us. Thus Jesus, our God. So there is still just one God to us, Jesus. And Jesus has an authority over him, his father. Is the reason he referred to his father as "God" eg., my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me.



Cowboy, unless you believe in the "trinty" concept, placing Jesus as "our God" breaks the commandment of thou shalt not have any gods before me...



EXACTLY !!!!


Not breaking any commandments. What commandment am I breaking?


You do realize Jesus was the one that said "you shall have no other gods before me" right?


Notice who gave the 10 commandments. The LORD did eg., Jesus. And what is the first commandment given to us by our LORD Jesus?


Exodus 34:28


28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.



Exodus 20:3


3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

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Mon 03/19/12 07:19 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/19/12 07:43 PM
JESUS was speaking with just as much authority as God

The Father, because Jesus and God the Father ,and God The Holy

Spirit , are EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD ...because God The Father, God The

Son, and God The Holy Spirit , ARE ARE ARE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY

ONE GOD (ONE SUPREME BEING) !!!!


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!!!

AND NO ....GOD IS NOT JUST A TITLE !!!!

BUT ONE SUPREME BEING !!!!



GOD ALMIGHTY IS ONE SUPREME BEING ( ONE ENTITY }!!!!!

AND THAT ONE AND ONLY SUPREME BEING ,WE CALL GOD ALMIGHTY !!!!



AND WE SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE THE ONE TRUE AND

LIVING GOD....WHO IS GOD ALMIGHTY......ONE SUPREME BEING OVER ALL!!

:heart:

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 03/19/12 07:25 PM

JESUS was speaking with just as much authority as God

The Father, because Jesus and God the Father ,and God The Holy

Spirit , are EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD ...because God The Father, God The

Son, and God The Holy Spirit , ARE ARE ARE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY

ONE GOD (ONE SUPREME BEING) !!!!


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!!!

AND NO ....GOD IS NOT JUST A TITLE !!!!

BUT ONE SUPREME BEING !!!!



GOD ALMIGHTY IS ONE SUPREME BEING ( ONE ENTITY }!!!!!

AND THAT ONE AND ONLY SUPREME BEING ,WE CALL GOD ALMIGHTY !!!!


:heart:


Again they could not be one BEING.


Matthew 3:16


16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


Jesus was baptized and the Spirit of God decended like a dove UPON JESUS. Thus we have both Jesus and his father physically present at the exact same time.
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Matthew 3:17


17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.



This is my SON, in whom I'm well pleased. If they were one exact being, God could not refer to Jesus as his son, for that would be the same thing as you referring to yourself as you mother.

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Mon 03/19/12 07:27 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 03/19/12 07:27 PM

JESUS was speaking with just as much authority as God

The Father, because Jesus and God the Father ,and God The Holy

Spirit , are EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD ...because God The Father, God The

Son, and God The Holy Spirit , ARE ARE ARE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY

ONE GOD (ONE SUPREME BEING) !!!!


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!!!

AND NO ....GOD IS NOT JUST A TITLE !!!!

BUT ONE SUPREME BEING !!!!



GOD ALMIGHTY IS ONE SUPREME BEING ( ONE ENTITY }!!!!!

AND THAT ONE AND ONLY SUPREME BEING ,WE CALL GOD ALMIGHTY !!!!



AND WE SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE US, EXCEPT THE ONE TRUE AND

LIVING GOD....WHO IS GOD ALMIGHTY......ONE SUPREME BEING OVER ALL!!

:heart:



AND WE SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE US, EXCEPT THE ONE TRUE AND

LIVING GOD....WHO IS GOD ALMIGHTY......ONE SUPREME BEING OVER ALL!!


Yes, it was Jesus whom said this. I already knew Jesus was our God and we have no other god besides him.

And this verse doesn't say "Before us". It says will not have any other gods before HIM.

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Mon 03/19/12 07:31 PM
I.......GIVE.......UP !!!


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Mon 03/19/12 07:35 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 03/19/12 07:36 PM

I.......GIVE.......UP !!!




Give up? Give up on what? We're having a discussion. If Jesus and the father are one exact entity, show just one verse that shows this. I've showed many where it clearly separates the two.

And while you're at it, please give us just one verse where Jesus refers to his father as OUR God. As far as I know, he only refers to his father as HIS God and refers to himself as OUR God.

They are one God though, for the word "god" is not an entity. For if it was an entity, the verse that says "ye are Gods, know ye not that ye are gods..." would be either lying or the verse that says "The Devils know there is one God and trembles" would be lying. And also the verse that says "do not tempt the LORD "thy" God" would bring in problems if what I'm saying wasn't correct.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 03/19/12 09:30 PM


JESUS was speaking with just as much authority as God

The Father, because Jesus and God the Father ,and God The Holy

Spirit , are EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD ...because God The Father, God The

Son, and God The Holy Spirit , ARE ARE ARE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY

ONE GOD (ONE SUPREME BEING) !!!!


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!!!

AND NO ....GOD IS NOT JUST A TITLE !!!!

BUT ONE SUPREME BEING !!!!



GOD ALMIGHTY IS ONE SUPREME BEING ( ONE ENTITY }!!!!!

AND THAT ONE AND ONLY SUPREME BEING ,WE CALL GOD ALMIGHTY !!!!


:heart:


Again they could not be one BEING.


Matthew 3:16


16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


Jesus was baptized and the Spirit of God decended like a dove UPON JESUS. Thus we have both Jesus and his father physically present at the exact same time.
=========

the dove is not God.

It is the Holy Spirit (as it exists between us and God).

God and Jesus were only present in the same place...

in the same way that God is with you.

Jesus is not your LORD (he did not say worship me.. he said follow me. One can not walk if one is upon ones knees).

He is your brother.


CowboyGH's photo
Mon 03/19/12 09:39 PM



JESUS was speaking with just as much authority as God

The Father, because Jesus and God the Father ,and God The Holy

Spirit , are EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD ...because God The Father, God The

Son, and God The Holy Spirit , ARE ARE ARE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY

ONE GOD (ONE SUPREME BEING) !!!!


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!!!

AND NO ....GOD IS NOT JUST A TITLE !!!!

BUT ONE SUPREME BEING !!!!



GOD ALMIGHTY IS ONE SUPREME BEING ( ONE ENTITY }!!!!!

AND THAT ONE AND ONLY SUPREME BEING ,WE CALL GOD ALMIGHTY !!!!


:heart:


Again they could not be one BEING.


Matthew 3:16


16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


Jesus was baptized and the Spirit of God decended like a dove UPON JESUS. Thus we have both Jesus and his father physically present at the exact same time.
=========

the dove is not God.

It is the Holy Spirit (as it exists between us and God).

God and Jesus were only present in the same place...

in the same way that God is with you.

Jesus is not your LORD (he did not say worship me.. he said follow me. One can not walk if one is upon ones knees).

He is your brother.




Jesus speaking -

Isaiah 41:13


13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.



Exodus 23:25


25And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.

And you claim he is a brother?

Genesis 2
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Who exactly is the LORD God if not Jesus?

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 03/19/12 09:40 PM




JESUS was speaking with just as much authority as God

The Father, because Jesus and God the Father ,and God The Holy

Spirit , are EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD ...because God The Father, God The

Son, and God The Holy Spirit , ARE ARE ARE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY

ONE GOD (ONE SUPREME BEING) !!!!


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!!!

AND NO ....GOD IS NOT JUST A TITLE !!!!

BUT ONE SUPREME BEING !!!!



GOD ALMIGHTY IS ONE SUPREME BEING ( ONE ENTITY }!!!!!

AND THAT ONE AND ONLY SUPREME BEING ,WE CALL GOD ALMIGHTY !!!!


:heart:


Again they could not be one BEING.


Matthew 3:16


16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


Jesus was baptized and the Spirit of God decended like a dove UPON JESUS. Thus we have both Jesus and his father physically present at the exact same time.
=========

the dove is not God.

It is the Holy Spirit (as it exists between us and God).

God and Jesus were only present in the same place...

in the same way that God is with you.

Jesus is not your LORD (he did not say worship me.. he said follow me. One can not walk if one is upon ones knees).

He is your brother.




Jesus speaking -

Isaiah 41:13


13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.



Exodus 23:25


25And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.

And you claim he is a brother?

Genesis 2
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Who exactly is the LORD God if not Jesus?


And the Holy Spirit is one of the three that make our 1 God. So even if the dove was the Holy Spirit, it was God.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 03/19/12 10:09 PM





JESUS was speaking with just as much authority as God

The Father, because Jesus and God the Father ,and God The Holy

Spirit , are EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD ...because God The Father, God The

Son, and God The Holy Spirit , ARE ARE ARE ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY

ONE GOD (ONE SUPREME BEING) !!!!


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!!!

AND NO ....GOD IS NOT JUST A TITLE !!!!

BUT ONE SUPREME BEING !!!!



GOD ALMIGHTY IS ONE SUPREME BEING ( ONE ENTITY }!!!!!

AND THAT ONE AND ONLY SUPREME BEING ,WE CALL GOD ALMIGHTY !!!!


:heart:


Again they could not be one BEING.


Matthew 3:16


16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


Jesus was baptized and the Spirit of God decended like a dove UPON JESUS. Thus we have both Jesus and his father physically present at the exact same time.
=========

the dove is not God.

It is the Holy Spirit (as it exists between us and God).

God and Jesus were only present in the same place...

in the same way that God is with you.

Jesus is not your LORD (he did not say worship me.. he said follow me. One can not walk if one is upon ones knees).

He is your brother.




Jesus speaking -

Isaiah 41:13


13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.



Exodus 23:25


25And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.

And you claim he is a brother?

Genesis 2
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Who exactly is the LORD God if not Jesus?


And the Holy Spirit is one of the three that make our 1 God. So even if the dove was the Holy Spirit, it was God.

The Holy Spirit is an aspect of God (as are you)... This is true.

Yet again you quote Torah (and Jesus is not in it but that they new he was comming)...

When you place him within that age you create a temporal loop from which you can not escape.

Life is as a river.

The past is water that has returned to the Ocean.

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Mon 03/19/12 10:22 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/19/12 10:39 PM
And the Holy Spirit is one of the three that make our 1 God. So even if the dove was the Holy Spirit, it was God.





BUT sadly, to you Cowboy ,One God is just

a "Title".....and not a Supreme Being.



JUST A TITLE...NOTHING MORE !!!!!!


So don't come on here now and say 1 God, making it "appear"

like you actually believe in One God as Christians

believe.....because you very well know that you do NOT mean

what Christians mean AT ALL!!!!


So keep your fowl stinkin deception out of here!!!!


And a dove is NOT The Holy Spirit !!!!

ust symb


Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Mon 03/19/12 10:28 PM


Jesus speaking -

Isaiah 41:13


13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.



Exodus 23:25


25And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.

And you claim he is a brother?

Genesis 2
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Who exactly is the LORD God if not Jesus?



You are failing to show legitimate proof of your defense.

Man - God of Earth
Jesus - Lord of Man
God - God of "Gods".

Jesus is but the envoy, the voice if you will.
He is but a "part" of God.
He is placed as man's "benefactor" and "confidant".

If you cut off my arm and sow it upon another.
It is still my arm.
Although it now functions on its "own".

Jesus. God. Casper.

They are all but "ONE" piece of something "larger".

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Mon 03/19/12 10:49 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/19/12 11:05 PM
THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WERE

PRESENT AND TOOK PART IN CREATION !!!


BECAUSE THE FATHER , WORD,AND HOLY SPIRIT ARE JUST ONE

GOD !!!


THAT IS WHY IT IS SAID, GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE

EARTH !!!



THE FATHER, THE WORD (JESUS =THE WORD WHO LATER BECAME FLESH ), AND

THE HOLY SPIRIT....ARE GOD !!!!!



ONE GOD !!!



GOD THE FATHER SPOKE , THE WORD ACTED ,AND THE HOLY SPIRIT MOVED !!!






:heart:


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Mon 03/19/12 10:55 PM
Edited by Sin_and_Sorrow on Mon 03/19/12 11:08 PM

THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WERE

PRESENT AND TOOK PART IN CREATION !!!


BECAUSE THE FATHER , WORD,AND HOLY SPIRIT ARE JUST ONE

GOD !!!


THAT IS WHY IT IS SAID, GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE

EARTH !!!



THE FATHER, THE WORD (JESUS =THE WORD WHO LATER BECAME FLESH ), AND

THE HOLY SPIRIT....ARE GOD !!!!!



ONE GOD !!!



GOD THE FATHER SPOKE , THE WORD ACTED ,AND THE HOLY SPIRIT MOVED !!!



:heart:




..that's what I said.

Minus the blue and angry caps.

xD

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Mon 03/19/12 11:14 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 03/19/12 11:15 PM
HERE.....THIS WILL MUCH BETTER EXPLAIN HOW THE

FATHER, WORD, AND HOLY SPIRIT WERE INVOLVED IN CREATION!!!


http://www.lwbc.co.uk/Genesis/The%20Godhead%20in%20Creation.htm



:heart::heart::heart:

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Mon 03/19/12 11:17 PM
Perhaps you have misplaced your math.

"THE FATHER, THE WORD (JESUS =THE WORD WHO LATER BECAME FLESH ), AND

THE HOLY SPIRIT....ARE GOD !!!!! "

The Father, the Word (which will become flesh (in the form of Jesus of Nazereth)and the Holy Spirit...

Trinity (Father,Mother,Child).

in the Time of Adam (Father,Word that becomes flesh,Child(Adam))

in the Time of Moses (Father,Word(Abraham),Child (Tribes of Adam))

In the Time of Christ (Father,Word(Son),Child(Holy Spirit)).

Each told of the Next as God Raised Mankind.

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Tue 03/20/12 12:58 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 03/20/12 01:11 AM

HERE.....THIS WILL MUCH BETTER EXPLAIN HOW THE

FATHER, WORD, AND HOLY SPIRIT WERE INVOLVED IN CREATION!!!


http://www.lwbc.co.uk/Genesis/The%20Godhead%20in%20Creation.htm



:heart::heart::heart:




For some reason ,the website listed earlier ,doesn't work.






The Godhead in Creation


Genesis 1:1-2

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the

earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of

the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”




Introduction

In this lesson we will find more answers to the questions “Who is

God?” and “What is He like?” We have taken a panoramic view of

Creation (just like someone taking a flight over London), and

realise that we must delve further by getting down to the grass

roots. Our future studies will be like taking a tour bus ride around

London, so at certain times we will stop to investigate important

truths more deeply in the same way as a tourist would visit an

important building.



In other words, we need to take a closer look. This involves word

studies so that we can rightly determine exactly what the Bible is

saying. The Hebrew words behind our English translation can often

offer valuable insight in our study Creation; this is especially

true as we highlight the role of the Godhead in Creation.





Elohim

The book of Genesis was originally written in Hebrew. In Genesis 1:1

we read, “In the beginning God…” The word for God is ‘Elohim’ in

Hebrew. Each of the names and titles the Bible uses for God teach

us something about His character and who He is. The word ‘Elohim’

is used whenever the power of God is revealed. Therefore, it was

Elohim who spoke the universe into existence.



This name is very special when considering who God is. It is a

plural word, which means ‘more than one.’ It is significant because

it speaks to us of the Godhead (Trinity is a uni-plural word ) –

Father, Son and Holy Spirit.



Genesis chapter one tells us that the Godhead was involved in

Creation, but the rest of the Bible reveals what each Person was

doing.




The Holy Spirit in Creation

“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the

face of the deep. And the SpIRIT of God MOVED upon the face of the

waters” (Genesis 1:2). Here we find that the Holy Spirit ‘MOVED’

upon the face of the waters. This is obviously a creative act,

therefore the Holy Spirit is God. The Hebrew word for ‘moved’

is ‘rahap’ and means ‘to flutter’ or ‘vibrate’. Vibration is

energy. It was the Holy Spirit who introduced energy into the

formless void.



What happened after the Holy Spirit poured His energy into the

earth? Genesis 1:3 says, “And God SAID, Let there be light: and

there was light.” Light is a result of energy. The original light

that illuminated the earth was the power of the Holy Spirit. His

energy filled the void.





Jesus Christ in Creation

According to John 1:1 the Lord Jesus Christ is “The Word.” When God

the Father spoke it was His Son Jesus who acted. We can truly say

and prove from Scripture that Jesus is the Creator (within the

concept of the Godhead). We need to go outside of Genesis to

determine this truth. Colossians 1:15-16 reads, “Who is the image

of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him

were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,

visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or

principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for

Him.” Jesus is the CREATOR and SUSTAINER of ALL things.




The Father in Creation

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past

unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken

unto us by his Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by

whom also He made the worlds” (Hebrews 1:1-2). The Father made the

worlds THROUGH or BY Jesus Christ. This brings to neatly back to

the opening statement about Jesus being the WORD of God, for in

Hebrews 11:3 Paul writes, “Through faith we understand that the

worlds were framed by the WORD of God, so that things which are

seen were not made of things which do appear.”





Conclusion

It is important to note that each member of the Godhead acted in

UNITY TOGETHER in bringing about Creation. As we have

seen, ‘ELOHIM’ is the word used for ‘GOD’, yet it denotes ‘more

than one.’ But please note ,that the three are NOT three Gods,

but are the three Divine Persons IN the Godhead. If we understand

the roles of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Creation our next

two studies on ‘Creation Week’ will be of greater edification to

us. Time and space forbids an in-depth study of the Trinity, but

this is something we can do in our own time.


since the link listed earlier didn't work... click on this link

instead

http://www.lwbc.co.uk


then click on "Bible Study Outline" for further Study



:heart::heart::heart:

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Tue 03/20/12 05:40 AM

we all have the right to 'believe'

beliefs are in our heads, whatever they are, noone can stop them or mandate what they must be

it is our ACTIONS and WORDS we dont always have a right to,,


MsHarmony...just because thoughts are in your head do not mean that you have the right to believe those thoughts and turn them into beliefs especially if those beliefs have an impact of others beyond yourself

you have to take the time and ask oneself should you turn certain thoughts into beliefs

FOR EXAMPLE;

if you believe in a God then you also have to believe in the Death Penalty or approve of murder drownings torture and tossing people into lakes of fire since this is what a God does



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Tue 03/20/12 05:49 AM



I have many times in the past which you quickly refute. There is no point in doing as such for you, but I will once more.


"God" is not an entity in it's own. This is shown through the verses such as "know ye not that ye are gods, I have said ye are gods...." And is the reason Jesus referred to his father as "his God", yes Jesus is "our God", but still there is one God".

In the USA, we have one "Government"... but how many people are included in that government? If we have one government, how is it that there are many people in that government?


sorry Cowboy...using the government to explain God is once again reducing God to the level of his creations...using "Ye Are All Gods" pertaining to humans is also reducing God to the level of his creations


I'll help you out

THE TRINTY

God The Father
Jesus The God
The HOly Ghost the God

The Trinity is The Worship of 3 Gods

see how I use God for all and didn't reduce them to the level of their creations



You almost got it right Funches, exccep tthe 3 -in -One are ONLY

ONE God, not 3 Gods.


if GOd The Father is omnipotent...then if you add Jesus to him would it make God super omnipotent? ....and when you add the Holy Ghost to the duo will it make them Super Super Omnipotent?

if God The Father was truely Omnipotent...then omnipotence require no others

if God The Father has no "needs" then why would he need Jesus or The Holy Spirit for any purpose

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