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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe - part 2
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 03/26/12 12:15 PM
Cold and darkness were created in a sense. Cold is the lack of heat and darkness is the lack of light. nope..heat and light are creations....God cold and darkness aren't

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 03/26/12 12:17 PM
Why would it waste the time doing as such? That is why the word "God" is used. Cowboy....are you willing to give your word as a Christian that Elohim does not appear in any of the English bibles of course you won't where have your Faith gone my son?... when you have to resort to lying and decpetion about something that you can so easily check No it might in some of the translations. Again that is why I asked you to show a verse that says "Elohim". I have not read or seen every last translation of the scriptures, therefore I can't give a ferm "no" to there possibly being a translation that occassionally uses the word "Elohim". Cowby...it you took a Hebrew that could only read the hebrew language and didn't know a thing about english and place "Elohim" in front of this person...they wouldn't know what the heck it was if you said the word Elohim to someone that only spoke hebrew and never heard a word of english they wouldn't have a clue as to what you were saying why? because "Elohim" is an English word not a hebrew word this is a deception that people use claiming that engliish words are Hebrew only words all words are a translation or translated into English...they are not Hebrew words Hebrews did not use the english Alphabets .. If you were vocally speaking to this hebrew and you said "Elohim" they would know exactly what you were talking about. Would be the same as speaking with someone in english saying the word "God". If you were writing this down to a hebrew you would have to write it the way it's written in there language "(אֱלֹהִ֔ים)" PRONOUNCED elohim. nope....a Hebrew wouldn't know what you were saying....see this is why if you went to Church you would have learned about The Tower of Babel They may not believe, wasn't saying they would believe. But they would know what the word in use means. And that has nothing to do with Tower of Babel... That movies wasn't about grammar. no Cowboy...Hebrew does not sound the same as english ...go read the story of the Tower of Babel

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 12:18 PM
Cold and darkness were created in a sense. Cold is the lack of heat and darkness is the lack of light. nope..heat and light are creations....God cold and darkness aren't God created heat and light, so in turn God created cold and darkness, because cold and darkness are the oposite of heat and light. It's called cause and effect. You can't have one without the other. You can't have the possibility of light without the possibility of darkness, you can't have the possibility of heat without the possibility of cold.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 12:20 PM
Why would it waste the time doing as such? That is why the word "God" is used. Cowboy....are you willing to give your word as a Christian that Elohim does not appear in any of the English bibles of course you won't where have your Faith gone my son?... when you have to resort to lying and decpetion about something that you can so easily check No it might in some of the translations. Again that is why I asked you to show a verse that says "Elohim". I have not read or seen every last translation of the scriptures, therefore I can't give a ferm "no" to there possibly being a translation that occassionally uses the word "Elohim". Cowby...it you took a Hebrew that could only read the hebrew language and didn't know a thing about english and place "Elohim" in front of this person...they wouldn't know what the heck it was if you said the word Elohim to someone that only spoke hebrew and never heard a word of english they wouldn't have a clue as to what you were saying why? because "Elohim" is an English word not a hebrew word this is a deception that people use claiming that engliish words are Hebrew only words all words are a translation or translated into English...they are not Hebrew words Hebrews did not use the english Alphabets .. If you were vocally speaking to this hebrew and you said "Elohim" they would know exactly what you were talking about. Would be the same as speaking with someone in english saying the word "God". If you were writing this down to a hebrew you would have to write it the way it's written in there language "(אֱלֹהִ֔ים)" PRONOUNCED elohim. nope....a Hebrew wouldn't know what you were saying....see this is why if you went to Church you would have learned about The Tower of Babel They may not believe, wasn't saying they would believe. But they would know what the word in use means. And that has nothing to do with Tower of Babel... That movies wasn't about grammar. no Cowboy...Hebrew does not sound the same as english ...go read the story of the Tower of Babel How would reading anything all me to HEAR the different sounds of the words? And no they don't sound the same, for in one language the word is "God" and in the other the word is "Elohim". So no God and Elohim don't sound the same.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 03/26/12 12:24 PM
Cold and darkness were created in a sense. Cold is the lack of heat and darkness is the lack of light. nope..heat and light are creations....God cold and darkness aren't God created heat and light, so in turn God created cold and darkness, because cold and darkness are the oposite of heat and light. It's called cause and effect. You can't have one without the other. You can't have the possibility of light without the possibility of darkness, you can't have the possibility of heat without the possibility of cold. once again ..heat and light are creations ....God Darkness and the cold aren't

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 03/26/12 12:27 PM
How would reading anything all me to HEAR the different sounds of the words? And no they don't sound the same, for in one language the word is "God" and in the other the word is "Elohim". So no God and Elohim don't sound the same. nope...Elohim is a word translated from Hebrew...it is not spell the same or sound the same or look the same or pronounced the same when it is in it's Hebrew state do your keyboard type Hebrew or English?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 12:28 PM
Cold and darkness were created in a sense. Cold is the lack of heat and darkness is the lack of light. nope..heat and light are creations....God cold and darkness aren't God created heat and light, so in turn God created cold and darkness, because cold and darkness are the oposite of heat and light. It's called cause and effect. You can't have one without the other. You can't have the possibility of light without the possibility of darkness, you can't have the possibility of heat without the possibility of cold. once again ..heat and light are creations ....God Darkness and the cold aren't more or less, yes. Because God has always been and will always be. God wasn't created. And darkness and cold is something(s) that lack God's creation. But then what plays in here is God still in fact did create the darkness and cold, he created things in the way of the possibility for something to be dark or cold. If that possibility wasn't there, everything would remain lit and warm.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 12:30 PM
How would reading anything all me to HEAR the different sounds of the words? And no they don't sound the same, for in one language the word is "God" and in the other the word is "Elohim". So no God and Elohim don't sound the same. nope...Elohim is a word translated from Hebrew...it is not spell the same or sound the same or look the same or pronounced the same when it is in it's Hebrew state do your keyboard type Hebrew or English? (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) No it's not spelt the same... but how do you know it's not pronounced the same? Can you read hebrew?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 12:32 PM
How would reading anything all me to HEAR the different sounds of the words? And no they don't sound the same, for in one language the word is "God" and in the other the word is "Elohim". So no God and Elohim don't sound the same. nope...Elohim is a word translated from Hebrew...it is not spell the same or sound the same or look the same or pronounced the same when it is in it's Hebrew state do your keyboard type Hebrew or English? (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) No it's not spelt the same... but how do you know it's not pronounced the same? Can you read hebrew? And if you can't read hebrew, how do you know it's not pronounced "Elohim"?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 12:39 PM
How would reading anything all me to HEAR the different sounds of the words? And no they don't sound the same, for in one language the word is "God" and in the other the word is "Elohim". So no God and Elohim don't sound the same. nope...Elohim is a word translated from Hebrew...it is not spell the same or sound the same or look the same or pronounced the same when it is in it's Hebrew state do your keyboard type Hebrew or English? (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) No it's not spelt the same... but how do you know it's not pronounced the same? Can you read hebrew? And if you can't read hebrew, how do you know it's not pronounced "Elohim"? And even besides that, sorry got a little side tracked with your talking about senseless and meaningless "technicalities". The hebrew word (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) means and or is translated into Elohim and or God. A word translated between two different languages doesn't loose it's meaning.

chocolina Joined Tue 12/07/10 Posts: 183	Mon 03/26/12 12:43 PM
CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. Then CowboyGH said: CowboyGH said: I have no "religion". Religion is : * set of beliefs, feelings, dogmas and practices that define the relations between human being and sacred or divinity CowboyGH said: I follow as the scriptures say. Scriptures are : * The sacred writings of Christianity contained in the Bible CowboyGH said: I don't follow "Christianity" I follow Jesus Christ my Lord and Savoir. Christianity is : ** based on the life and teachings of Jesus CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. God ,Jesus,Holy Spirit and SatanGH say : No comment What are you talking about? I don't follow "Christianity". Christianity is a belief in it's own, following Christianity is putting faith in Christianity. The only thing I see worth putting faith in is Jesus Christ. Not an already made belief. CowboyGH , \read again but slowwwwwwwwwwwly to get what is Christianity ========================================================= Christianity is based on the life and teachings of Jesus =========================================================== If you claim you follow Jesus Christ then you follow Christianity if B=C , then C=B If you claim you don't follow Christianity then you deny Jesus Christ if B is not = C , then C is not= B so Cowboy are you a Christian ?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 02:40 PM
CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. Then CowboyGH said: CowboyGH said: I have no "religion". Religion is : * set of beliefs, feelings, dogmas and practices that define the relations between human being and sacred or divinity CowboyGH said: I follow as the scriptures say. Scriptures are : * The sacred writings of Christianity contained in the Bible CowboyGH said: I don't follow "Christianity" I follow Jesus Christ my Lord and Savoir. Christianity is : ** based on the life and teachings of Jesus CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. God ,Jesus,Holy Spirit and SatanGH say : No comment What are you talking about? I don't follow "Christianity". Christianity is a belief in it's own, following Christianity is putting faith in Christianity. The only thing I see worth putting faith in is Jesus Christ. Not an already made belief. CowboyGH , \read again but slowwwwwwwwwwwly to get what is Christianity ========================================================= Christianity is based on the life and teachings of Jesus =========================================================== If you claim you follow Jesus Christ then you follow Christianity if B=C , then C=B If you claim you don't follow Christianity then you deny Jesus Christ if B is not = C , then C is not= B so Cowboy are you a Christian ? Not exactly. Christianity may be about the teachings of Jesus. Not saying it's not. But "Christianity" is man made so to speak, it is a belief system all in it's own. Christianity is an already made belief, it is solid. It can not be altered, cause it then wouldn't be "Christianity". I believe what the scriptures tell us, not what some person has already said is. I study, search, and investigate it out myself. Thus why over the years I have even on here changed the way I look at certain things. As more knowledge is obsorbed, then applied, the more I grow in my spirituality. And to answer that last question. No I'm not a Christian. I don't follow the teachings of Christianity, I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Call that Christian if you wish.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 02:48 PM
CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. Then CowboyGH said: CowboyGH said: I have no "religion". Religion is : * set of beliefs, feelings, dogmas and practices that define the relations between human being and sacred or divinity CowboyGH said: I follow as the scriptures say. Scriptures are : * The sacred writings of Christianity contained in the Bible CowboyGH said: I don't follow "Christianity" I follow Jesus Christ my Lord and Savoir. Christianity is : ** based on the life and teachings of Jesus CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. God ,Jesus,Holy Spirit and SatanGH say : No comment What are you talking about? I don't follow "Christianity". Christianity is a belief in it's own, following Christianity is putting faith in Christianity. The only thing I see worth putting faith in is Jesus Christ. Not an already made belief. CowboyGH , \read again but slowwwwwwwwwwwly to get what is Christianity ========================================================= Christianity is based on the life and teachings of Jesus =========================================================== If you claim you follow Jesus Christ then you follow Christianity if B=C , then C=B If you claim you don't follow Christianity then you deny Jesus Christ if B is not = C , then C is not= B so Cowboy are you a Christian ? Not exactly. Christianity may be about the teachings of Jesus. Not saying it's not. But "Christianity" is man made so to speak, it is a belief system all in it's own. Christianity is an already made belief, it is solid. It can not be altered, cause it then wouldn't be "Christianity". I believe what the scriptures tell us, not what some person has already said is. I study, search, and investigate it out myself. Thus why over the years I have even on here changed the way I look at certain things. As more knowledge is obsorbed, then applied, the more I grow in my spirituality. And to answer that last question. No I'm not a Christian. I don't follow the teachings of Christianity, I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Call that Christian if you wish. Just a little example In Christianity in general, you have God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. Which in all technicalities is incorrect. Jesus is our God, he is the one that formed us, he is the one that has control over us. Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Jesus isn't just the son of God, Jesus is our God. Which generally isn't taught in Christianity.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 03/26/12 03:04 PM
When Cowboy Says One God, he does NOT mean ONE GOD as ONE SUPREME BEING, as Christians believe... God is just a TITLE to him only.....a Government of ONE over MANY ENTITIES. God is NOT One Entity to Cowboy, as Christian believe God is ONE ENTITY. Cowboy USES the same words as Christians do.....BUT he knows in his heart that he MEANS something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from Christians. And That is EXACTLY HOW DECEPTION WORKS.......that is exactly how deception is able to SNEAK into the camp... and go unnoticed by many !!!! A Chrsitian is one who is BORN AGAIN, not just some one who just CLAIMS to be a Christian. A christian is one The Holy Spirit now INDWELLS......and The Holy Spirit IN that christian now , is THE ONE WHO TEACHES that person now....and LEADS and GUIDES that person into ALL TRUTH. And WHEN the Holy Spirit Indwells a believer, there is NO MORE CONFUSION about GOD'S WORD !!!!

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Mon 03/26/12 03:15 PM
CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. Then CowboyGH said: CowboyGH said: I have no "religion". Religion is : * set of beliefs, feelings, dogmas and practices that define the relations between human being and sacred or divinity CowboyGH said: I follow as the scriptures say. Scriptures are : * The sacred writings of Christianity contained in the Bible CowboyGH said: I don't follow "Christianity" I follow Jesus Christ my Lord and Savoir. Christianity is : ** based on the life and teachings of Jesus CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. God ,Jesus,Holy Spirit and SatanGH say : No comment What are you talking about? I don't follow "Christianity". Christianity is a belief in it's own, following Christianity is putting faith in Christianity. The only thing I see worth putting faith in is Jesus Christ. Not an already made belief. CowboyGH , \read again but slowwwwwwwwwwwly to get what is Christianity ========================================================= Christianity is based on the life and teachings of Jesus =========================================================== If you claim you follow Jesus Christ then you follow Christianity if B=C , then C=B If you claim you don't follow Christianity then you deny Jesus Christ if B is not = C , then C is not= B so Cowboy are you a Christian ? Not exactly. Christianity may be about the teachings of Jesus. Not saying it's not. But "Christianity" is man made so to speak, it is a belief system all in it's own. Christianity is an already made belief, it is solid. It can not be altered, cause it then wouldn't be "Christianity". I believe what the scriptures tell us, not what some person has already said is. I study, search, and investigate it out myself. Thus why over the years I have even on here changed the way I look at certain things. As more knowledge is obsorbed, then applied, the more I grow in my spirituality. And to answer that last question. No I'm not a Christian. I don't follow the teachings of Christianity, I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Call that Christian if you wish. Just a little example In Christianity in general, you have God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. Which in all technicalities is incorrect. Jesus is our God, he is the one that formed us, he is the one that has control over us. Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Jesus isn't just the son of God, Jesus is our God. Which generally isn't taught in Christianity. Truly if you consider Jesus to BE God you have chosen to pitch your tent in the sands about the Tabernacle and in so doing will miss the Glory within.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 03:15 PM
When Cowboy Says One God, he does NOT mean ONE GOD as ONE SUPREME BEING, as Christians believe... God is just a TITLE to him only.....a Government of ONE over MANY ENTITIES. God is NOT One Entity to Cowboy, as Christian believe God is ONE ENTITY. Cowboy USES the same words as Christians do.....BUT he knows in his heart that he MEANS something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from Christians. And That is EXACTLY HOW DECEPTION WORKS.......that is exactly how deception is able to SNEAK into the camp... and go unnoticed by many !!!! A Chrsitian is one who is BORN AGAIN, not just some one who just CLAIMS to be a Christian. A christian is one The Holy Spirit now INDWELLS......and The Holy Spirit IN that christian now , is THE ONE WHO TEACHES that person now....and LEADS and GUIDES that person into ALL TRUTH. And WHEN the Holy Spirit Indwells a believer, there is NO MORE CONFUSION about GOD'S WORD !!!! When Cowboy Says One God, he does NOT mean ONE GOD as ONE SUPREME BEING, as Christians believe... Christians do not believe this MorningSong. They do not believe all three to be one being, one "entity". Thus we have God, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. If they were one being or one "entity", they would just say God, wouldn't be of need for the other titles. God is just a TITLE to him only.....a Government of ONE over MANY ENTITIES. Again, no. The WORD "God" means authority, thus we call our creator "God". Thus, Jesus is our God. Thus is why he referred to his father as "his God", ect ect. Cowboy USES the same words as Christians do.....BUT he knows in his heart that he MEANS something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from Christians. Maybe, but you can not say this. As the "Christian" believe all in it's own is so widely different. Heck baptists believe Jesus to be the Father on Earth, they run with the "My father and I are one". And That is EXACTLY HOW DECEPTION WORKS.......that is exactly how deception is able to SNEAK into the camp... and go unnoticed by many !!!! Why you lie? God never called us to be "Christians". He called his children to obey him, not specifically to be "Christians". A Chrsitian is one who is BORN AGAIN, not just some one who just CLAIMS to be a Christian. You don't have to be a "Christian" to be born again. Show me please in the scriptures where it says one must first be a "Christian" to be born again. From what I've read and know one must accept Jesus into their heart and live the life he has laid down for us, no mention of "Christian".

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 03/26/12 03:15 PM
Cowboy says once more above, that he is NOT a Christian. No...Cowoby is most definitely NOT a Chrisian. YET he STILL comes on here and FALSELY Represents God's Word ( The Holy Bible ) on here..and TWISTS AND PERVERTS God's Word on here !!!! The Word of God is the christian's ((born again beleiver) DAILY BREAD. Cowboy is PERVERTING God's Word....and TWISTING God's Word on here !!!!!!!! Since he is NOT a Christina, he NEEDS TO LEAVE GOD'S WORD ALONE AND STOP ABUSING THE BIBLE on here!!!!!!~ THIS IS WHAT FALSE TEACHERS DO!!!! THEY SNEAK INTO THE CAMP AND PERVERT THE GOSPEL !!!!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 03:16 PM
CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. Then CowboyGH said: CowboyGH said: I have no "religion". Religion is : * set of beliefs, feelings, dogmas and practices that define the relations between human being and sacred or divinity CowboyGH said: I follow as the scriptures say. Scriptures are : * The sacred writings of Christianity contained in the Bible CowboyGH said: I don't follow "Christianity" I follow Jesus Christ my Lord and Savoir. Christianity is : ** based on the life and teachings of Jesus CowboyGH said: No, not a liar. God ,Jesus,Holy Spirit and SatanGH say : No comment What are you talking about? I don't follow "Christianity". Christianity is a belief in it's own, following Christianity is putting faith in Christianity. The only thing I see worth putting faith in is Jesus Christ. Not an already made belief. CowboyGH , \read again but slowwwwwwwwwwwly to get what is Christianity ========================================================= Christianity is based on the life and teachings of Jesus =========================================================== If you claim you follow Jesus Christ then you follow Christianity if B=C , then C=B If you claim you don't follow Christianity then you deny Jesus Christ if B is not = C , then C is not= B so Cowboy are you a Christian ? Not exactly. Christianity may be about the teachings of Jesus. Not saying it's not. But "Christianity" is man made so to speak, it is a belief system all in it's own. Christianity is an already made belief, it is solid. It can not be altered, cause it then wouldn't be "Christianity". I believe what the scriptures tell us, not what some person has already said is. I study, search, and investigate it out myself. Thus why over the years I have even on here changed the way I look at certain things. As more knowledge is obsorbed, then applied, the more I grow in my spirituality. And to answer that last question. No I'm not a Christian. I don't follow the teachings of Christianity, I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Call that Christian if you wish. Just a little example In Christianity in general, you have God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. Which in all technicalities is incorrect. Jesus is our God, he is the one that formed us, he is the one that has control over us. Genesis 2:7 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Jesus isn't just the son of God, Jesus is our God. Which generally isn't taught in Christianity. Truly if you consider Jesus to BE God you have chosen to pitch your tent in the sands about the Tabernacle and in so doing will miss the Glory within. The Holy Spirit is within, yes. But Jesus is our God, he always has been and always will be.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Mon 03/26/12 03:20 PM
Cowboy says once more above, that he is NOT a Christian. No...Cowoby is most definitely NOT a Chrisian. YET he STILL comes on here and FALSELY Represents God's Word ( The Holy Bible ) on here..and TWISTS AND PERVERTS God's Word on here !!!! The Word of God is the christian's ((born again beleiver) DAILY BREAD. Cowboy is PERVERTING God's Word....and TWISTING God's Word on here !!!!!!!! Since he is NOT a Christina, he NEEDS TO LEAVE GOD'S WORD ALONE AND STOP ABUSING THE BIBLE on here!!!!!!~ THIS IS WHAT FALSE TEACHERS DO!!!! THEY SNEAK INTO THE CAMP AND PERVERT THE GOSPEL !!!! Do you mean like adding the Greek myth of Hades? That right there is obvious perversion...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 03/26/12 03:21 PM
Cowboy says once more above, that he is NOT a Christian. No...Cowoby is most definitely NOT a Chrisian. YET he STILL comes on here and FALSELY Represents God's Word ( The Holy Bible ) on here..and TWISTS AND PERVERTS God's Word on here !!!! The Word of God is the christian's ((born again beleiver) DAILY BREAD. Cowboy is PERVERTING God's Word....and TWISTING God's Word on here !!!!!!!! Since he is NOT a Christina, he NEEDS TO LEAVE GOD'S WORD ALONE AND STOP ABUSING THE BIBLE on here!!!!!!~ THIS IS WHAT FALSE TEACHERS DO!!!! THEY SNEAK INTO THE CAMP AND PERVERT THE GOSPEL !!!! Well going to your favorite site for Christian stuff, it defines Christianity same as I do. And is why I hold to the title of being a "Christian" when asked about my religious views. But that does not mean I stand by specifically what "Christians" proclaim, for again I'm not following Christianity, I'm following Jesus Christ my lord and savior. "A true Christian is a person who has put faith and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ, including His death on the cross as payment for sins and His resurrection on the third day" http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-a-Christian.html I believe exactly as gotquestions define it right there. "faith and trust in the person and work of JESUS Christ". Not faith and trust in Christianity, or any number of different denominations, but trust in Jesus Christ himself.